Today's drama: The -=HUNGRYMAN=- saga: what you need to know

[CDSmith]

I fully understand that not everyone is expected to know the entire history and the truth of this extensive and rather pathetic story. Some of you are new to the industry and aren't familiar with the story yet. I will try to fill in the blanks for you....

Back about 3 years ago Paul (aka: Hungryman) ran a design brokerage. Clients would order designs from him, he would then offer the work to a real designer who would do the work for a fee which usually amounted to about 50% of the total work order. In other words, the client would pay Paul say $2,000, and he would pay the designer $1,000 and pocket a thousand himself for basically doing nothing but the referral.

I would have no problem with that except for the fact that Paul often chose NOT to pay the designer, and after almost a year of them waiting for their money they had no recourse but to take it to the boards. There was a huge... HUGE outcry on GFY, a bitter argument went on for weeks, the threads went 5-10 pages each. At this time I wasn't involved but as a designer myself I watched from the sidelines, until a friend of mine admitted that she too was one of the designers owed a substantial amount of money. Hey, $1200 or $1500 may not be much to you or me, but to some people just breaking into the industry it can mean a lot.

At that point I read that Paul and the other design brokers involved (yes there were others!) were going to make this right finally. I kept quiet and waited almost 4 months...... then I acted. This was about a year ago, I took up the issue for Rikki Lee and posted on about eight webmaster boards about Paul and one other designer who both owed Rikki Lee a chunk of money for her hard work that she did in good faith for them.

Her work and the work of 2 or 3 other designers remains in their portfolios..... not paid for.... to this day as far as I know.


So, we're at a year ago...... Both designers contact me and become reasonable and take a sensible tone with me..... smart. They both cried that they are broke and barely getting by. I, not wanting to squeeze blood out of anyone, suggested that they make small payments to Rikki Lee to at least show a modicum of good faith and lower the debt bit by bit. Can they afford maybe twenty bucks a month? I know people on welfare who can come up with a lousy twenty every month or at least every other month.

The other designer made one payment..... then nothing. He has now, as of yesterday, made arrangements to start paying again, there was a misunderstanding on both ends that Rikki Lee tells me is resolved.

As for Paul, he hasn't made good on his word, and hasn't paid Rikki Lee a penny of his debt. He all but cried to me on the phone that he still had no money, barely enough to live on, wasn't working, his sites weren't making him money etc etc etc, saying "if you trash me and I don't make any money how will I be able to pay her?"....
made sense at the time... but I have remained silent for a year and let him do whatever it is he does to earn money, and to this day not one fucking DIME has come her way from him. Do you think this is right?

If she were to charge him back interest (as most companies would) he would owe much more than he did almost 3 years ago. She has resigned herself to the fact that Paul will never pay her, but I'm not going to let him freely conduct business openly on this or any other webmaster forum without letting my fellow webmasters know what he has done to other good honest hard-working talented people in our business.


If you want to bury your head in the sand and ignore the truth and pretend mr Hungryman is a great guy and a wonderful honest businessman, by all means delude yourselves. Paul posted defiantly on porno junkies bbs and insinuated that he can afford a lawyer and called the truth "defamation".... well, If Paul can afford an attorney then he can afford to just cover this debt and make things right once and for all. People, this is about doing what is RIGHT, so please think about it a little...... because you would feel as Rikki Lee does if it was you who had been screwed over like this.

[Rorschach]

[cool1]

I hope she does get paid eventually

[hova]

too much text for me, got it in short?

[Roald]

Wonder if this will get solved at all

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by hova
too much text for me, got it in short?

Hungryman ripped off designers.




Attention deficit disorder must be a horrible affliction.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by QuaShe
Wonder if this will get solved at all

I doubt it.. it'll just keep on popping up every time HM pops up on gfy.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Hungryman ripped off designers.




Attention deficit disorder must be a horrible affliction.

ya.. if you can't read a page of text shouldn't be allowed to operate anything plugged into an electrical socket.

[{fusion}]

sounds like a total scum bag.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by QuaShe
Wonder if this will get solved at all

At this point, I doubt it. If he can't even see his way to making small payments in the debt I doubt it will ever be cleared.


I will simply continue to make sure a lot of my fellow webmasters know what this guy is all about. Period.


Obviously, when I said over a year ago that I am relentless and will not let this die, some thought I was kidding. They were wrong.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by CDSmith
At this point, I doubt it. If he can't even see his way to making small payments in the debt I doubt it will ever be cleared.


I will simply continue to make sure a lot of my fellow webmasters know what this guy is all about. Period.


Obviously, when I said over a year ago that I am relentless and will not let this die, some thought I was kidding. They were wrong.

i loved how he reduced his fucking over of several people to "lame old gfy board drama"

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
i loved how he reduced his fucking over of several people to "lame old gfy board drama"

Good point.


This is what he posted on another board in answer to this issue....

Originally posted by -=HUNGRYMAN=-
OK ... I got one last thing to say on a public message board .... and then I am done with this !!! Vid, CDSmith, Rikki, or whoever else wants a piece of me ...

2 year old GFY drama is fucking old and lame ...
If anybody has a beef with me or my business, that is what lawyers and solicitors are for ... I have no time for this, and yes what you are doing is defamation, and is against the law.

I have nothing to prove on a public message board! Do you think Conrad Black, or Frank Stronach would be entertaining slanderous/libelous statements on a public chat forum ?? Grow up and get a life!

My life is not open for public examination.
Nuff said !

Un fucking believable.

[hova]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Hungryman ripped off designers.




Attention deficit disorder must be a horrible affliction.

Nice, another funny boy.
I have read about 300 pages about lfinances and stock this morning, so I wasn't feeling like reading another page about anything.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by hova
Nice, another funny boy.
I have read about 300 pages about lfinances and stock this morning, so I wasn't feeling like reading another page about anything.

Your post is too long. Can I get a shorter version?

[hova]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Your post is too long. Can I get a shorter version?

sure, I always like to help the handicaped.

You are funny. I didn't want to read a long story, so I asked if anybody had a shorter version.

[AmeliaG]

CDSmith - I don't know anything about the background on this, other than that I've heard that guy's nick come up before as someone not to do biz with. But I trust what you say. Sounds to me like, if the guy wants legal action, a few designers should go in on an attorney together. I'm not an attorney, but I think there may be a statute of limitations to check for whether they can still sue. But, if they can, maybe they should look into doing it.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by hova
sure, I always like to help the handicaped.

You are funny. I didn't want to read a long story, so I asked if anybody had a shorter version.

Relax max, I poked a little fun at you. Get some coffee.


Fuck, it's 7 or 8 little paragraphs. Obviously you clicked this thread for information because of the title, why not take 90 seconds and read the damn post? The time you've wasted posting now 3 times you could have read the fucking thing 10 times over.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by AmeliaG
CDSmith - I don't know anything about the background on this, other than that I've heard that guy's nick come up before as someone not to do biz with. But I trust what you say. Sounds to me like, if the guy wants legal action, a few designers should go in on an attorney together. I'm not an attorney, but I think there may be a statute of limitations to check for whether they can still sue. But, if they can, maybe they should look into doing it.

I'm not sure how that would go though. Hungryman is in Eastern Canada (Montreal I think), a couple of the designers are in the US, Amp is in Hawaii, and a few others like Rikki Lee are in Australia.

I just don't know how such a lawsuit would come about, or where it would even be held.


thoughts?

[skillfull]

too much dram ain this thread

[AmeliaG]

Originally posted by CDSmith
I'm not sure how that would go though. Hungryman is in Eastern Canada (Montreal I think), a couple of the designers are in the US, Amp is in Hawaii, and a few others like Rikki Lee are in Australia.

I just don't know how such a lawsuit would come about, or where it would even be held.


thoughts?

The best thing would be representation in Montreal because then, if they get a judgement against the guy, then the government there would be able to enforce it. Otherwise an Australian or US court might find for the designers but not be able to enforce it. The designers would likely be able to do sworn written testimony and not have to make an expensive trip anywhere.

[LadyMischief]

Originally posted by CDSmith


Un fucking believable.

It's only defamation if it isn't true. Guess he overlooked that part? :P And I don't think legal aid counts, really, does it?

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by AmeliaG
The best thing would be representation in Montreal because then, if they get a judgement against the guy, then the government there would be able to enforce it. Otherwise an Australian or US court might find for the designers but not be able to enforce it. The designers would likely be able to do sworn written testimony and not have to make an expensive trip anywhere.

That makes sense. However, I would have to talk to all the designers, and I get the feeling that some have simply resigned themselves to the fact that they won't ever be paid, to the point where it might not be worth the headache to them to go after him aggressively.


Me being in Canada could certainly help though.... I could easily find a lawyer in Montreal for this.


Food for thought.

[bhutocracy]

he's very lucky to even be walking. If I had accepted a generous business offer this would have been resolved or he wouldn't be able to walk unaided. I had a debt collector friend passing through canada and he screwed that many people I could have gotten away with it with there being too many suspects lol.

[FACE]

CDsmith, why the fuck do u have to stick your shit-covered nose into everything ?

Yeah, HUNGRYMAN fucked up. Why do you care ? Let his clients deal with him.

[hova]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Relax max, I poked a little fun at you. Get some coffee.


Fuck, it's 7 or 8 little paragraphs. Obviously you clicked this thread for information because of the title, why not take 90 seconds and read the damn post? The time you've wasted posting now 3 times you could have read the fucking thing 10 times over.

I am having coffee now. I read it, these stories suck. I knew something about this, but forgot most of it. You're doing a good job reminding people who to trust.

This should be short enough for the both of us

[69pornlinks]

sig placement before i catch some zzz's

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by hova
I am having coffee now. I read it, these stories suck. I knew something about this, but forgot most of it. You're doing a good job reminding people who to trust.

This should be short enough for the both of us

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[Joesho]

See CDsmith, those type of people are the bad guys......

not guys like me that state their views but do not ever try to fuck someone over that does not have it coming to them ..

Glad to see you on the side of what is right ..... (that shows me you have some potential)

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Joesho
See CDsmith, those type of people are the bad guys......

not guys like me that state their views but do not ever try to fuck someone over that does not have it coming to them ..

Glad to see you on the side of what is right ..... (that shows me you have some potential)

Dude, I've been the real, straighup no shit tell it like it fucking is fucker you see before you since long before there was an interweb thingy, long before people had fucking microwaves in their homes. Started my online business in 1998, and with me you get what you give. Come at me with mouthy attitude, you're not going to like the results. Fly straight and deal me real, we will get along just fine.

Originally posted by FACE
CDsmith, why the fuck do u have to stick your shit-covered nose into everything ?

Yeah, HUNGRYMAN fucked up. Why do you care ? Let his clients deal with him.

To any retards that don't get it, like this "Face" fucker above:
Rikki Lee was not comfortable in taking her plight to the boards last year. I promised her I would help her out.... this is me helping her out. Don't like the fact that I am making this my business? Tough shit. Suck it down, because it isn't going to stop unless by some remote miracle the fucker decides to make this right.

The end.

[danevans]

HM owes me something over $500, but I'd settle for $500 in smaller payments if he's willing to do what he promised (get out of his debts, in small chunks). Any idea how many owed designers are there, and what's the total amount owed?

[Lykos]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Hungryman ripped off designers.




Attention deficit disorder must be a horrible affliction.

Exactly

[stevecore]

Originally posted by FACE
CDsmith, why the fuck do u have to stick your shit-covered nose into everything ?

Yeah, HUNGRYMAN fucked up. Why do you care ? Let his clients deal with him.

HI HUNGRYMAN!!

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by danevans
HM owes me something over $500, but I'd settle for $500 in smaller payments if he's willing to do what he promised (get out of his debts, in small chunks). Any idea how many owed designers are there, and what's the total amount owed?

I would only be guessing at this point. I see more and more designers coming forward though, as I read more posts and threads about Hungryman. The total owed is obviously several thousand though.

[johnbosh]

Originally posted by CDSmith
Hungryman ripped off designers.




Attention deficit disorder must be a horrible affliction.

ghow muc hdesingers?

[Trax]

seen him post on gfy again the last weeks
is this the reason for the thread?

[beemk]

what a scumbag. if he wa smart he would have changed his nick and started over. bringing up 2 year old drama? if he owed me $ like that i would bring it up as long as he was around. does he think that since he ripped her off 2 years ago that it shouldnt be owed anymore?

[zentz]

bloody hungryman

[cayne]

Originally posted by Rorschach

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[Roald]

If he has lawyers and solicitors he should be able to pay those designers those few bucks. It is just sad to see this is still going on after all this time. Personally I would pay everyone off as soon as possible cause I wouldn't want my name attached to shit like this.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by Trax
is this the reason for the thread?

The reason for this thread is in the first post.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by CDSmith


Her work and the work of 2 or 3 other designers remains in their portfolios..... not paid for.... to this day as far as I know.

Hungry requires UPFRONT payment from clients.

I have seen him say this on the board multiple times.

He gets paid up front, and fucks over the designer.

Hungry was KNOWn as a toonist, and most dont know thatb sack of shit cant draw a toon if it was to save his mother.



is in his portfolio, but my friend drew this.

I was at his house when he was doing the original sketches.

Hungryman, is STILL USING THESE LOGOS TO MAKE MONEY!!!



Hungryman is a con artist, no two ways about it.

He is a CON ARTIST, dont believe any fucking thing he says,m havent you guys seen enough cons to understand how they operate??????

cons lie, and their best weapon is SYMPATHY.

Ill spit in his fucking drink if I ever run into him.

F U C K H U N G R Y M A N

and ev en though he is about 250lbs bigger than me, id still tell it to his face.you dont rip off a close, real life frie4nd of mine, and CONTINUE to fuck him while I watch.

This son of a whore brianna/Paul, whatever he lioes about his name today, has it fucking coming.

I assure you that.

brianna, I hope you read this you fucking piece of shit.

I damn anyone doing business with you.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by beemk
what a scumbag. if he wa smart he would have changed his nick and started over. bringing up 2 year old drama? if he owed me $ like that i would bring it up as long as he was around. does he think that since he ripped her off 2 years ago that it shouldnt be owed anymore?

He was busted setting up icq and trying to land jobs as a girl named "brianna" funny how most dont even recall this.

How long ago you ask?

he was busted being a liar and scammer, on the YNOT? or whatever old board as Brianna.

Thats why I call him Brianna till this day.

I have also though... if he just switched names that would make his guilty.

Instead, he plays like he is broke and cant pay the debt, which brings in SYMPATHY which is how con artists work.

Id seriously have to go the other ay if I ever saw this decaying teeth prick in public.

I would really, really, like to confront him.

On all levels.

He insulted me in the worst fucking way.

I introduced him to a toonist who was NOT IN THIS INDUSTRY.

Fresh meat, so he could help a close friend make money.

What happens?

Next thing I know Im talking to him, he has delivered hundreds of bucks worth of toons, and no payment.

I even sa the pornondrugs.com site was active and trading traffic, was my friend paid yet? Nope.

Hungryman pocketed the money then gave my friend a 6 month run around and still uses my friends toons to gain jobs when Hungryman doesnt even know how to draw!!!

This is what infuriates me.

I intreoduce him to what I consider my blood, and he makes me look bad by trying to fuck my friend over.

I go to this guys house, I have done design for his father, have helped his brother get a site or two up, and know his family.

Everytime I go over there, (few times a week) i think about how Hungryman has insulted me amongst family friends.

Paul,brianna - yellow teeth pussy... whatever you want to be called.

You made a big mistake insulting me you fucking asshole.

As you can tell by my posts, I have not forgotten nor calmed down since the first day i ripped into you over this.

mark my words bitch.

[TheLegacy]

sounds like Teleteria all over again

[Fletch XXX]

cdsmith, please post a link to this thread at Porno Junkies post.

Hungryman lurks there from what I hear, and I want PJ folks to reead my posts about him.

I dont post on PJ and do not have account, but I checked to see if you posted this there since he hangs there now...

[Fletch XXX]

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[Roald]

Don't worry, he's around

[sheldonjuan]

traffic broker, designer, photographer, vlt addict, arent you just the jack of all trades!

[CDSmith]

Fletchy -- I posted your quotes over at that board, in the thread I started. Everyone over there so far seems content to just ignore it and happily go on posting their happy threads. Too bad, because this is something that isn't going to "just go away". Unless of course they censor or ban me that is.


I also posted on Xnations. Does he post on any other boards?

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by sheldonjuan
traffic broker, designer, photographer, vlt addict, arent you just the jack of all trades!

You know buddy, your foolish little comments are making you look like a fucktard.

Is that what you were going for?

[sheldonjuan]