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  • Rick Latona
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    • Dec 2002
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    #1

    I-Bill was denied the motion

    The judge said the agreement was very clear. The motion was denied.
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  • Ice
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    • Nov 2002
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    #2
    FUCK
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    • Rick Latona
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      • Dec 2002
      • 6037

      #3
      The TRO was lifted.
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      • NaughtyAmerica
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        • Apr 2004
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        #4
        ouch
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        • crockett
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          • May 2003
          • 76818

          #5
          damn
          In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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          • SteveLightspeed
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            • Jul 2001
            • 7940

            #6
            No shit? So now what happens?

            Steve Lightspeed
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            • stocktrader23
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              • Jan 2003
              • 18781

              #7
              Originally posted by Lightspeed
              No shit? So now what happens?

              Steve Lightspeed
              Hopefully nothing horrible. I've had a sick feeling all day.


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              • MarkTiarra
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                • Aug 2002
                • 3833

                #8
                Originally posted by Lightspeed
                No shit? So now what happens?

                Steve Lightspeed
                Well I'd say you have to figure if First Data didn't want to process their transactions anymore then the lift on the TRO will have them closing it off ASAP. Unless I-Bill is somehow able to negotiate something with them to keep it alive until the new bank is setup but I have to imagine that's not possible since they would have tried that before running to court.

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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818

                  #9
                  damn
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                  • .:St Ides:.
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                    • Jul 2004
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                    #10
                    They file a another motion and try something new. If they have a good legal team which they should they should be able to buy themselves time to find a new solution!

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                    • PornGeneral
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                      • Sep 2004
                      • 564

                      #11
                      I figured the judge would do that. Written agreements always get taken over verbal. iBill should have got the extension in writting when dealing with millions of $$. Plus waiting till August 2004 to find another processor to replace one that is expiring in Sept 2004 just doesn't seem like a smart business move when dealing with millions.

                      IMHO!!!!
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                      • stocktrader23
                        Let's do some business.
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 18781

                        #12
                        Originally posted by .:St Ides:.
                        They file a another motion and try something new. If they have a good legal team which they should they should be able to buy themselves time to find a new solution!
                        Some of you never give up. Every once in a while it's ok to let go of blind optimism and prepare for the worst.


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                        • Nysus
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                          • Aug 2001
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                          Well I'd say you have to figure if First Data didn't want to process their transactions anymore then the lift on the TRO will have them closing it off ASAP. Unless I-Bill is somehow able to negotiate something with them to keep it alive until the new bank is setup but I have to imagine that's not possible since they would have tried that before running to court.
                          As far as I know processing is already going through a new merchant for them.

                          Do you really think other banks won't want $800k per day in transactions?

                          Matt
                          What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                          Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                          See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                          • MarkTiarra
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                            • Aug 2002
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by PornGeneral
                            I figured the judge would do that. Written agreements always get taken over verbal. iBill should have got the extension in writting when dealing with millions of $$. Plus waiting till August 2004 to find another processor to replace one that is expiring in Sept 2004 just doesn't seem like a smart business move when dealing with millions.

                            IMHO!!!!
                            That's assuming First Data gave them any indication they would back out. I'm surprised they didn't try to have a new contract with them in place much sooner though. I would think you'd set a date you have to have a new contract by and if it's not in place you go find a new processor, assuming the old one is hedging for a reason.

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                            • PornGeneral
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                              • Sep 2004
                              • 564

                              #15
                              Were they to busy selling off thier corporate stock before this event?? Not a lot of volume in the stock, hmm.

                              http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ibd&d=t

                              http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/040831/315617_1.html
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                              • faisalp
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                                • Jan 2002
                                • 46

                                #16
                                also, iBill delivered to First Data the notice that Merrick would be taking over their transactions on Sept 15, 2004. The very day that their agreement expired...rushed? or was that a last-minute demand by First Data?

                                Any lawyers know if there is jurisprudence to support a doctrine of promissory estoppel in the united states?

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                                • Calvinguy
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 1752

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Nysus
                                  As far as I know processing is already going through a new merchant for them.

                                  Do you really think other banks won't want $800k per day in transactions?

                                  Matt
                                  Why are you so optimistic in every thread?

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                                  • Anthony_A
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                                    • Feb 2003
                                    • 1219

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                    Some of you never give up. Every once in a while it's ok to let go of blind optimism and prepare for the worst.
                                    I hate to admit it, but you are right.

                                    In their own words from the motion for tro, within days they would be out of business.
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                                    • WiredGuy
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                                      • Aug 2002
                                      • 34512

                                      #19
                                      Time for iBill to begin Plan B. Hopefully they have one.
                                      WG
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                                      • tony299
                                        lurker
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 57021

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                        Time for iBill to being Plan B. Hopefully they have one.
                                        WG
                                        I am sure they do

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                                        • MarkTiarra
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                                          • Aug 2002
                                          • 3833

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Nysus
                                          As far as I know processing is already going through a new merchant for them.

                                          Do you really think other banks won't want $800k per day in transactions?

                                          Matt
                                          Unfortunately you don't just process $800,000 in sales per day without quite a bit of infrastructure in place. I don't know that they would have set anything up new in such a hurry. I think what's happening now is that FD hasn't shut off the gateway yet since this all just went down. We'll know shortly, that's for sure.

                                          I hope they work something out because if not this will be the single biggest hit this industry has taken since Web800 went down and this one will likely be worse.

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                                          • ChandieGirl
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                                            • Jul 2004
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                            The judge said the agreement was very clear. The motion was denied.

                                            BIG statement, for sure.

                                            Rick, where did your info come from?
                                            Seems that there is alot of info being
                                            tossed around. Are you certain the source
                                            is reliable?


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                                            • stocktrader23
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                                              • Jan 2003
                                              • 18781

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                              Time for iBill to begin Plan B. Hopefully they have one.
                                              WG
                                              Duocash?

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                                              • stocktrader23
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                                                • Jan 2003
                                                • 18781

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                I am sure they do
                                                Even though they say otherwise? I hope you don't have all your assetts with Ibill for your own sake.


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                                                • Nysus
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                                                  • Aug 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Calvinguy
                                                  Why are you so optimistic in every thread?
                                                  You should try it.

                                                  This type of thing isn't going to take down a company doing nearly $300 million in revenues per month. It just won't happen.

                                                  It's odd that they wouldn't have a few different backup plans ready to use, but from what I have heard they are managing fine.

                                                  Matt
                                                  What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                  Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                  See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                  • WiredGuy
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                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 34512

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                    I am sure they do
                                                    It's hard to tell when that company has been bought and sold as frequently as it has been the last year.

                                                    WG
                                                    I play with Google.

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                                                    • Rick Latona
                                                      The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                      • 6037

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Chandiegirl
                                                      BIG statement, for sure.

                                                      Rick, where did your info come from?
                                                      Seems that there is alot of info being
                                                      tossed around. Are you certain the source
                                                      is reliable?


                                                      C
                                                      I had a little birdie on the window ledge in the court room. The source is 100% reliable.
                                                      Regards,

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                                                      • Phoenix
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                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 35475

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Nysus
                                                        You should try it.

                                                        This type of thing isn't going to take down a company doing nearly $300 million in revenues per month. It just won't happen.

                                                        It's odd that they wouldn't have a few different backup plans ready to use, but from what I have heard they are managing fine.

                                                        Matt
                                                        300 million a month?
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                                                        • Nysus
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                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                          • 7817

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MarkTiarra
                                                          Unfortunately you don't just process $800,000 in sales per day without quite a bit of infrastructure in place. I don't know that they would have set anything up new in such a hurry. I think what's happening now is that FD hasn't shut off the gateway yet since this all just went down. We'll know shortly, that's for sure.

                                                          I hope they work something out because if not this will be the single biggest hit this industry has taken since Web800 went down and this one will likely be worse.
                                                          They don't have to create the infrastructure, they have to find a company with an existing infrastructure. There are other companies like First Data.

                                                          Matt
                                                          What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now

                                                          Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for *pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets*

                                                          See http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=16744521 and for more detailed see http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=948645

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                                                          • PornGeneral
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                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                            • 564

                                                            #30
                                                            Saying it again.

                                                            Print out your WM agreements and account statements. If it does go bad then you may have proof of a claim. If not its just a good precaution.
                                                            "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                            "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                            • stocktrader23
                                                              Let's do some business.
                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                              • 18781

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Nysus
                                                              You should try it.

                                                              This type of thing isn't going to take down a company doing nearly $300 million in revenues per month. It just won't happen.

                                                              It's odd that they wouldn't have a few different backup plans ready to use, but from what I have heard they are managing fine.

                                                              Matt
                                                              Ummm you knucklehead, they process 300 million in transactions. A huge majority of that is paid out to those who earned it, some is held in reserves, then they have administrative costs. 300 million gross = not much net.


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                                                              • griffin
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                                                                • May 2003
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                                                                #32
                                                                From what I can tell IBD stock is currently Halted. Which isn't usually a good sign.
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                                                                • juicylinks
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                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 122992

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by griffin
                                                                  From what I can tell IBD stock is currently Halted. Which isn't usually a good sign.
                                                                  hmmmmmmmmmm

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                                                                  • Shap
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                                                                    • May 2001
                                                                    • 8313

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Damn. This is bad. From what I've heard Rick appears to be right.

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                                                                    • Rick Latona
                                                                      The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                      • 6037

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by shap
                                                                      Damn. This is bad. From what I've heard Rick appears to be right.
                                                                      I wish I wasn't, bro. I wasn't trying to cause shit over the last couple of days. I've been trying to warn everyone.
                                                                      Regards,

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                                                                      • Bansheelinks
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                                                                        • Apr 2003
                                                                        • 6023

                                                                        #36
                                                                        unreal.............this one's a shocker

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                                                                        • Rick Latona
                                                                          The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 6037

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Ok, pussycash.com uses I-Bill. Who else?
                                                                          Regards,

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                                                                          • dennisthemenace
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                                                                            • Feb 2003
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            uh boy
                                                                            All the best to you

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                                                                            • AaronM
                                                                              GFY Royality ;)
                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                              • 46923

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                              I wish I wasn't, bro. I wasn't trying to cause shit over the last couple of days. I've been trying to warn everyone.

                                                                              When was iBill originally notified by First Data about this?

                                                                              Oh yeah....Back in may. That's what I thought.

                                                                              http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=298619

                                                                              People don't listen, Rick.

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                                                                              • Jizar II
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                                                                                • May 2001
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                                                                                #40

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                                                                                • WiredGuy
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                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 34512

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                                  Ok, pussycash.com uses I-Bill. Who else?
                                                                                  Seriously, I'd like to see which PPS sponsors uses ibill as primary.
                                                                                  WG
                                                                                  I play with Google.

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                                                                                  • Mutt
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                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 34431

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by shap
                                                                                    Damn. This is bad. From what I've heard Rick appears to be right.

                                                                                    I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                                                    • Rick Latona
                                                                                      The Best Ideas Start Here
                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                      • 6037

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                      Seriously, I'd like to see which PPS sponsors uses ibill as primary.
                                                                                      WG
                                                                                      Me too. I REALLY want to know.
                                                                                      Regards,

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                                                                                      • .:St Ides:.
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by stocktrader23
                                                                                        Some of you never give up. Every once in a while it's ok to let go of blind optimism and prepare for the worst.
                                                                                        I am prepared for the worse. I was with PSW, and other times shit has gone down.

                                                                                        What I way/am trying to say is Ibill must have a plan b, and a plan c. I am sure they did not just put everything into one motion and if it came back no they just go "ok they said no, we're done, shut the doors"

                                                                                        Ibill is and has been a huge company, I have faith they have a few back up plans.

                                                                                        Time will only tell.

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                                                                                        • PornGeneral
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                                                                                          • Sep 2004
                                                                                          • 564

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Yup, stock of iBill's parent company was halted.

                                                                                          $5.85 now ---> $.09 when it opens again. If they can find buyers.
                                                                                          "The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his." -Patton
                                                                                          "Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato

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                                                                                          • cosis
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                                                                                            • Aug 2001
                                                                                            • 5292

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                                            Ok, pussycash.com uses I-Bill. Who else?
                                                                                            all the old ARS GIM sites used I-Bill

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                                                                                            • taboo_dude
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                                                                                              • Oct 2003
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Rick Latona
                                                                                              Ok, pussycash.com uses I-Bill. Who else?
                                                                                              I haven't posted on gfy for a while and was saving my comeback post for another reason, but this is too important. Any of our clients that are using ibill please contact us *if* you need our help. Hopefully we can get some clarification here soon....
                                                                                              If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. The Duke.

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                                                                                              • Phoenix
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                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                • 35475

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                i think some of the sponsor list type places have kept track of who uses who as a major processor
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                                                                                                • atom
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by PornGeneral
                                                                                                  Yup, stock of iBill's parent company was halted.

                                                                                                  $5.85 now ---> $.09 when it opens again. If they can find buyers.

                                                                                                  ouch, if any of you are processing with them now, hit me up on ICQ. I have a buddy in the banking business that can set up merchant accounts for adult sites.

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                                                                                                  • Calvinguy
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by PornGeneral
                                                                                                    Yup, stock of iBill's parent company was halted.

                                                                                                    $5.85 now ---> $.09 when it opens again. If they can find buyers.
                                                                                                    Any links?

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