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  • 12clicks
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Jan 2001
    • 19813
    #1

    I don't understand all the fuss over Ibill

    if its true that they are going under, is this really a surprize to people in this biz?
    Shit, I knew there'd only be "the big two" a year and a half ago and I'm not even affected by it.
    you people who it *will* affect, you really didn't know?
    should you even be running a business?
    I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
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    • FuqALot
      Confirmed User
      • Dec 2001
      • 3817
      #2
      you must be really stupid if you still use ibill. where there is a 12, there is a click, ya dig.

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        • stocktrader23
          Let's do some business.
          • Jan 2003
          • 18781
          #3
          Don't use Ibill, don't send traffic to anyone that does. Just don't want to see anyone have problems as it affects many of us regardless.


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            • Michael O
              More Cowbell
              • Jul 2001
              • 10607
              #4
              Amazing people still uses IBill after what have happened in the last 12-18 months
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                • CDSmith
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • May 2001
                  • 51460
                  #5
                  I didn't care for what went down with I-bill a few years ago. A large exodus of sponsors had to switch processors back then and move away from I-bill due to certain policy changes and other issues. It was a huge headache, a nightmare for many, and a pain in the ass for thousands of affiliates of those programs. I was one of them, and I don't forget easily.

                  Lately I-bill's banner atop this very board has said "We've changed, and we want you back"...... I know several that jumped at that right away. I however, am more of a "wait and see how they do" kind of guy.

                  I'm glad I followed my instincts.


                  And no, there's no real surprise here. Some concern for the overall industry, (as in some, not a ton) but no surprise. Smart people know enough to expect this kind of shit and know how to see where it might possibly happen in such cases.
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                    • Rich
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 11486
                      #6
                      Not a huge shock to me, but I'd love to see where you predicted this a year and a half ago.

                      What the fuck are you going to do when they put an end to scumware? What's the next step down from there, is there one? You'll have to move to bestiality or cp to become any more of a lowlife than you are with the scumware.

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                        • Pleasurepays
                          BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 11913
                          #7
                          Originally posted by 12clicks
                          if its true that they are going under, is this really a surprize to people in this biz?
                          Shit, I knew there'd only be "the big two" a year and a half ago and I'm not even affected by it.
                          you people who it *will* affect, you really didn't know?
                          should you even be running a business?

                          hahaha. i have been thinking the same thing.

                          They are a company built on spam and processing questionable and often illegal sites. People got burned hard when RBL blacklisted them. People lost all their 900 money. etc etc etc

                          Why people used them is beyond me. The idea that anyone who has been around for a while they put their company in a position that they are actually important to their business is crazy.

                          The fact that people are panicked and talking about the end of the world is comical. Oh well. I would like to see the heard get thinned a little anyway.

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                            • body
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 5016
                              #8
                              I thought verotel will die?
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                                • Tuna
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2002
                                  • 1307
                                  #9
                                  i always figured if someone would go it would be them. it doesnt surprise me at all.


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                                    • Rich
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 11486
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                      hahaha. i have been thinking the same thing.

                                      They are a company built on spam and processing questionable and often illegal sites. People got burned hard when RBL blacklisted them. People lost all their 900 money. etc etc etc

                                      Why people used them is beyond me. The idea that anyone who has been around for a while they put their company in a position that they are actually important to their business is crazy.

                                      The fact that people are panicked and talking about the end of the world is comical. Oh well. I would like to see the heard get thinned a little anyway.
                                      I don't use them anymore but it's still going to be bad for this industry to lose one of our remaining three billers.

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                                        • Steve
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Feb 2001
                                          • 6894
                                          #11
                                          Been hearing they were a goner for over a year now. Looks like I might finally get one of those "I told you so!" calls now.

                                          Not that I use them myself. Just sucks for those that do.

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                                            • uchase/webpry
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2004
                                              • 2085
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by 12clicks
                                              if its true that they are going under, is this really a surprize to people in this biz?
                                              Shit, I knew there'd only be "the big two" a year and a half ago and I'm not even affected by it.
                                              you people who it *will* affect, you really didn't know?
                                              should you even be running a business?
                                              ... so, I was right, wasn't I ?

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                                                • lawked
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                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                  • 354
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Steve
                                                  Been hearing they were a goner for over a year now. Looks like I might finally get one of those "I told you so!" calls now.

                                                  Not that I use them myself. Just sucks for those that do.
                                                  Been hearing a lot of bad things in 2nd term Bush, I'm sure it will all come true.

                                                  First term was excellent.

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                                                    • PornGeneral
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                      • 564
                                                      #14
                                                      When the company was sold over and over again. It is was not a good sign.
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                                                        • Pleasurepays
                                                          BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                          • 11913
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Rich
                                                          I don't use them anymore but it's still going to be bad for this industry to lose one of our remaining three billers.
                                                          get your own merchant account... or find a new job.

                                                          bad for who? if there were no IPSP's this business would be better off for real business people.

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                                                            • Mr Dickovitch
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                              • 1070
                                                              #16
                                                              You assholes can gloat all you want, but your billing companies will be next. Keep being so happy there are only 2 companies left. In 6 months there will be one and in 9 months zero. I hope you'll keep laughing then.

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                                                                • homegrownmof
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                                  • 408
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                  get your own merchant account... or find a new job.

                                                                  bad for who? if there were no IPSP's this business would be better off for real business people.
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                                                                    • CDSmith
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                      • 51460
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
                                                                      You assholes can gloat all you want, but your billing companies will be next. Keep being so happy there are only 2 companies left. In 6 months there will be one and in 9 months zero. I hope you'll keep laughing then.
                                                                      Who's laughing? I'm not. More competition is always better than less, unless you happen to be one of the few players in whatever feild. More competition serves to keep prices reasonable and companies more honest, both of which I am all for.

                                                                      To my way of thinking the death of a big processor leaves an opening of opportunity for another. In fact, to take it a step farther with the concept of more competition, I would love to see a company or group of companies join forces and start up a new credit card alltogether... call it the "Netcard" or something, and make it 100% adult AND mainstream friendly. One geared for internet shoppers and surfers, but it could be used for any purchases anywhere. I believe there is a huge demand for such a card in the world right now.

                                                                      That's what I'd like to see. Doubt it will happen of course, but fuck anybody who tries to tell me I can't wish for it. :D
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                                                                        • Jace
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                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 35562
                                                                          #19
                                                                          it doesn't suprise me one bit, but I know some friends of mine will be scrambling soon, if not already

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                                                                            • MickeyG
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                              • 4134
                                                                              #20
                                                                              it's the loss of my rebills that will hurt most.

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                                                                                • Johny Traffic
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Apr 2003
                                                                                  • 5461
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  I would love to see a company or group of companies join forces and start up a new credit card alltogether... call it the "Netcard" or something, and make it 100% adult AND mainstream friendly. One geared for internet shoppers and surfers, but it could be used for any purchases anywhere. I believe there is a huge demand for such a card in the world right now.
                                                                                  I would also like to see that, I thought that maybe it would be the credit cards to pull out first and force the billing guys to find another solution. If there was no cards then we would all still be on a leval playing field.


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                                                                                    • Rich
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                      • 11486
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                      get your own merchant account... or find a new job.

                                                                                      bad for who? if there were no IPSP's this business would be better off for real business people.
                                                                                      I have 3 offshore merchant accounts, but I disagree. Some of my largest sponsors use a 3rd party. Also, that would mean the end to single girl sites not sponsored by a big program, which can be crazy money makers if you find the right one. Not to mention we'd have to worry about individual programs loosing their merch accounts which will start happening all the time. Programs don't have the capability to fight and negotiate with Visa and MC as well as the IPSPs. As bad as things are, they're only going to get worse if we lose them.

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                                                                                        • doober
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                          • 6984
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          this thread is extremely condescending

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                                                                                            • baddog
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                              • 107089
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              guess I could mention that iBill has been approaching the company in my sig for alternate solutions . . . so no huge surprise

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                                                                                                • Steve
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Feb 2001
                                                                                                  • 6894
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mr Dickovitch
                                                                                                  You assholes can gloat all you want, but your billing companies will be next. Keep being so happy there are only 2 companies left. In 6 months there will be one and in 9 months zero. I hope you'll keep laughing then.
                                                                                                  I'm not laughing. I use a few recurring sponsors that run with iBill, so if they go down, I can kiss that goodbye. I was just saying that this was a rumor for so long, I was begining to think they were going to pull thru.

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                                                                                                    • Ben.Z
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                                                                                                      • Sep 2004
                                                                                                      • 1164
                                                                                                      #26
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                                                                                                        • shermo
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I never doubted this would happen, but I know many people who this is going to hurt. I have kept all of my money away from IBill since day 1 because I never had a good feeling about them. I don't know if it was a hunch or a lack of "like" for their stat interface, but there was always something that made me shy away.

                                                                                                          Good luck to all who have a lot of money with IBill as your processor. Also, good luck to the great people that are working over there.

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                                                                                                            • andrej_NDC
                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                              • May 2004
                                                                                                              • 7760
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by body
                                                                                                              I thought verotel will die?
                                                                                                              Verotel has one big luck! They are located in Europe. With the sites they are processing for(a few questionable) they would be already down in US.

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                                                                                                                • Nathan
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                  • 3108
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I am not here to defend anyone. but I have this stupid question. WHY does everyone say that ibill is already dead? They are not dead, not at all actually. They just have to switch banks, and that fast. Plenty of companies had to switch banks, and plenty have had major problems. I remember a bunch of shit happening to Epoch a few years ago. And they are still around, and stronger than ever.

                                                                                                                  So everyone stop with your "the sky is falling" bullshit and WAIT for a real statement from ibill. iBill is not a tiny company, they are not going to let themself get killed this easily.
                                                                                                                  "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                  - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                    • CDSmith
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                                      • 51460
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                      I am not here to defend anyone. but I have this stupid question. WHY does everyone say that ibill is already dead? They are not dead, not at all actually. They just have to switch banks, and that fast. Plenty of companies had to switch banks, and plenty have had major problems. I remember a bunch of shit happening to Epoch a few years ago. And they are still around, and stronger than ever.

                                                                                                                      So everyone stop with your "the sky is falling" bullshit and WAIT for a real statement from ibill. iBill is not a tiny company, they are not going to let themself get killed this easily.
                                                                                                                      Please look:
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                                                      if its true that they are going under
                                                                                                                      Nathan, the keyword in that sentence is "If".

                                                                                                                      We're just talking here.
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                                                                                                                        • Nathan
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                                                                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                          • 3108
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                          Please look: Nathan, the keyword in that sentence is "If".

                                                                                                                          We're just talking here.
                                                                                                                          I just picked this thread to post my msg since it happened to be the first ibill one I saw of the 63423 ones on the board...

                                                                                                                          Also, if you have read 12clicks full post, he makes it very clear that he thought this is logical to happen, even if it does not happen right now.
                                                                                                                          "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                          - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                            • Brujah
                                                                                                                              Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                              • 22157
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Who are these sponsors that " should not be in business ? "

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                                                                                                                                • scardog
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 886
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  So let me get this straight. If the First Data had allowed them to process until November 15th, Ibill would be fine now? All you guy that said they would go under somehow knew First Data would take this position?

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                                                                                                                                    • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 19813
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                                                      Who are these sponsors that " should not be in business ? "
                                                                                                                                      those too dumb to see the future when someone like me saw it a year and a half ago.
                                                                                                                                      what relationships did I cultivate for fun that others should have cultivated for their business?

                                                                                                                                      you see, there really ARE a lot of stupid people still running businesses here. every misstep they make takes down honest people who trusted them. Its only rocket science for the Richs of the world.
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by 12clicks; 09-22-2004, 06:00 PM.
                                                                                                                                      I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                        • scardog
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 886
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Ibill's obituary may be a little premature.

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                                                                                                                                            • 12clicks
                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 19813
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Rich
                                                                                                                                              Not a huge shock to me, but I'd love to see where you predicted this a year and a half ago.

                                                                                                                                              What the fuck are you going to do when they put an end to scumware? What's the next step down from there, is there one? You'll have to move to bestiality or cp to become any more of a lowlife than you are with the scumware.
                                                                                                                                              oh come on punk. a year and a half ago this was privledged info. I'd never share that with rabble like yourself.
                                                                                                                                              go on pretending you're something in this business when you're submitting those TGPs.
                                                                                                                                              There's a reason you didnt see this coming and I did.
                                                                                                                                              keep pretending you're not a tgp chump on the ass of this industry.
                                                                                                                                              I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                                                • keyboard warrior
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 1435
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  If Ibill goes down the other 2 will raise there stupid fees, best to have more then a few - most of you are dumb asses.

                                                                                                                                                  Just think is ccbill was the only only one left?

                                                                                                                                                  visa fee = $2000.00

                                                                                                                                                  proccessing fee = 20%

                                                                                                                                                  the reverse for more 3rd parties.
                                                                                                                                                  Last edited by keyboard warrior; 09-22-2004, 06:07 PM.
                                                                                                                                                  - nothing here -

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                                                                                                                                                    • scardog
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                      • 886
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      They are not down yet.

                                                                                                                                                      Heres the news:

                                                                                                                                                      Due to our dispute with First Data Corp, iBill has now moved our US business away from First Data.

                                                                                                                                                      During the transition, we temporarily operated in stand-in processing from noon to 8:00 p.m. today, Wednesday, September 22, 2004. Please be advised that we are no longer doing stand-in processing.

                                                                                                                                                      All US credit card transactions that occurred during stand-in processing, including scheduled rebills, will be visible in CMI starting tomorrow, Thursday, September 23, 2004. Going forward, new sales will appear in CMI as usual.

                                                                                                                                                      Thank you for your continued patience and support, we greatly appreciate your business and look forward to our continued relationship.

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                                                                                                                                                        • andrej_NDC
                                                                                                                                                          Registered User
                                                                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 7760
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by keyboard warrior
                                                                                                                                                          If Ibill goes down the other 2 will raise there stupid fees, best to have more then a few - most of you are dumb asses.

                                                                                                                                                          Just think is ccbill was the only only one left?

                                                                                                                                                          visa fee = $2000.00
                                                                                                                                                          you know that the visa fee is actually for visa, do you?

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                                                                                                                                                            • RED&P RedEye
                                                                                                                                                              Registered User
                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 38
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              I think the real issue with all Ibill haters like 12clicks is a complex that Ibill unlike other third party billers never come to boards with chit-chat crap talking to everyone like they are best friends or whatever.

                                                                                                                                                              :D
                                                                                                                                                              I know some of You people must feel extra cool cause CEO's of big third party billers let You feel some of their coolnes. Joke is - they are making money on You when they do it and in my point of view it's a bit of a cheat trick.

                                                                                                                                                              There is no NEED for an IPSP to hang out on forums. They are in different business.

                                                                                                                                                              Because outside of real professionalism which Ibill used to have alone for years and years , there is nothing else there to discuss.
                                                                                                                                                              They had their faults. All of them third party billers did.

                                                                                                                                                              And they didnt cry in forums "FUCK YOU ! MY NAME IS KIMMY! YOU VIOLATE CROSS BORDER!" or call simple webmasters idiots just cause they dont know the game yet.

                                                                                                                                                              So relax a bit.
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