Not only will there be a draft in 2005, WOMEN could be drafted too!

[MattK]

snipped from G. North's daily reckoning report:

UNCLE SAM WANTS YOU, SWEETIE

On May 1, the "Seattle Post-Intelligencer" ran this report.

WASHINGTON -- The chief of the Selective Service System
has proposed registering women for the military draft
and requiring that young Americans regularly inform the
government about whether they have training in niche
specialties needed in the armed services.

The proposal, which the agency's acting Director Lewis
Brodsky presented to senior Pentagon officials just
before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, also seeks to
extend the age of draft registration to 34 years old,
up from 25.

The Selective Service System plan, obtained under the
Freedom of Information Act, highlights the extent to
which agency officials have planned for an expanded
military draft in case the administration and Congress
would authorize one in the future.

"In line with today's needs, the Selective Service
System's structure, programs and activities should be
re-engineered toward maintaining a national inventory
of American men and, for the first time, women, ages 18
through 34, with an added focus on identifying
individuals with critical skills," the agency said in a
Feb. 11, 2003, proposal presented to senior Pentagon
officials. . . .

The agency officials acknowledged that they would have
"to market the concept" of a female draft to Congress,
which ultimately would have to authorize such a step.

http://tinyurl.com/2tt9g

There is an old rule regarding government policy: "Don't
believe a rumor until it is officially denied." Selective
Service has posted this on its website.

Notwithstanding recent stories in the news media and on
the Internet, Selective Service is not getting ready to
conduct a draft for the U.S. Armed Forces -- either
with a special skills or regular draft. Rather, the
Agency remains prepared to manage a draft if and when
the President and the Congress so direct. This
responsibility has been ongoing since 1980 and is
nothing new. Further, both the President and the
Secretary of Defense have stated on more than one
occasion that there is no need for a draft for the War
on Terrorism or any likely contingency, such as Iraq.
Additionally, the Congress has not acted on any
proposed legislation to reinstate a draft. Therefore,
Selective Service continues to refine its plans to be
prepared as is required by law, and to register young
men who are ages 18 through 25.

http://www.sss.gov/Default.htm

We are losing the war in Iraq. Over 1,000 American troops
have died. This week, the Shi'ite insurgency persuaded the
company that controls the oil pipeline in Basra to shut it off
for the time being. This means that world oil output fell in one
day by 1.8 million barrels.

The fighting with Muqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army militia
began to have economic fallout. Iraq's southern oil
company stopped pumping oil to the southern city of
Basra -- where militiamen were controlling main streets
-- because of threats to infrastructure, an official
with the company said.

About 1.8 million barrels per day, or 90 per cent of
Iraq's exports, move through Basra. Iraq's other outlet
from the north to Turkey has been out of operation
since early June, so a stoppage from Basra threatens to
completely shut down the flow of Iraq's main money
earner.

http://tinyurl.com/4d788

Iraq's oil was supposed to pay the reconstruction bills.
The military bills must also be paid. American taxpayers are
unwilling to pay them. So, the deficit will continue to be in
the 6% range of the real economy for the foreseeable future.

Kerry has no answer. He speaks in grand, empty phrases.
They all boil down to this: "I shall wheel and deal." Bush has
no answer. If Bush had an answer, it would be implemented.
American troops are trapped in a disaster zone that keeps getting
worse.

The candidates dare not refer to a draft, but that is where
we are headed. After three decades, the draft will have to be
restored during the next Congress unless we have pulled out our
troops, which no candidate says he is willing to do.

So, add to the paralysis over the deficit a major political
fight over the draft. Middle-class parents are not interested
having their children sent to Iraq. But that is where the kids
are headed if a new draft law is passed by Congress.

If it isn't passed, then the President, whoever he may be,
will have to increase the pay scale of the military or else pull
the troops out.

Neither candidate is willing to discuss any of this. No one
asks. It's "don't ask, don't say" on a national level. A
conspiracy of silence prevails.

[theking]

In my opinion the draft should be reinstated for multiple reasons...and should not have been ended for the same multiple reasons...though it should have been refomed.

[MattK]

only about 1000 US soilders have died in Iraq, but lots more have been injured. They will have to be replaced somehow if there will be a continued military presence over there.

The Wounded: US Military as reported after 4/3
Period Wnd-RTD Wounded
19-Mar-03 thru 03-Apr-03 115 426
04-Apr-03 thru 02-Apr-04 963 1484
03-Apr-04 thru 09-Apr-04 59 222
10-Apr-04 thru 16-Apr-04 119 242
17-Apr-04 thru 23-Apr-04 138 96
24-Apr-04 thru 03-May-04 193 76
04-May-04 thru 11-May-04 82 116
12-May-04 thru 18-May-04 100 93
19-May-04 thru 24-May-04 73 85
25-May-04 thru 31-May-04 86 114
01-Jun-04 thru 09-Jun-04 121 10
10-Jun-04 thru 16-Jun-04 71 54
17-Jun-04 thru 22-Jun-04 79 54
23-Jun-04 thru 29-Jun-04 64 59
30-Jun-04 thru 20-Jul-04 209 201
21-Jul-04 thru 03-Aug-04 183 100
Total 2655 3432

Wnd-RTD: Wounded in Action Return to Duty within 72 hours
Wnd: Wounded in Action Not Return to Duty within 72 hours
Totals updated at random by the DoD

[sybianguru]

It is time to pull the fuck out!
Our kids were sent to Iraq under false pretenses. This administration is getting more frightening by the hour!

[sean416]

Originally posted by sybianguru
It is time to pull the fuck out!
Our kids were sent to Iraq under false pretenses. This administration is getting more frightening by the hour!

They cant just leave buddy, even if you are against the war. If they leave, then there will be a radical uprising in Iraq and it will be a crazy breading ground for extremists and "terrorists".

[theking]

Originally posted by MattK
only about 1000 US soilders have died in Iraq, but lots more have been injured. They will have to be replaced somehow if there will be a continued military presence over there.

The Wounded: US Military as reported after 4/3
Period Wnd-RTD Wounded
19-Mar-03 thru 03-Apr-03 115 426
04-Apr-03 thru 02-Apr-04 963 1484
03-Apr-04 thru 09-Apr-04 59 222
10-Apr-04 thru 16-Apr-04 119 242
17-Apr-04 thru 23-Apr-04 138 96
24-Apr-04 thru 03-May-04 193 76
04-May-04 thru 11-May-04 82 116
12-May-04 thru 18-May-04 100 93
19-May-04 thru 24-May-04 73 85
25-May-04 thru 31-May-04 86 114
01-Jun-04 thru 09-Jun-04 121 10
10-Jun-04 thru 16-Jun-04 71 54
17-Jun-04 thru 22-Jun-04 79 54
23-Jun-04 thru 29-Jun-04 64 59
30-Jun-04 thru 20-Jul-04 209 201
21-Jul-04 thru 03-Aug-04 183 100
Total 2655 3432

Wnd-RTD: Wounded in Action Return to Duty within 72 hours
Wnd: Wounded in Action Not Return to Duty within 72 hours
Totals updated at random by the DoD

They are being replaced. All branches of the military are not having a problem meeting their enlistment levels and their retention levels are good. The force end level is imposed by Congress and can be raised so that the military can accept more enlistees...but as I have stated I am in favor of reinstating the draft.

[TheMob]

fuck it, i can't go. i'm addicted to the internet.

[MattK]

this article just came out today:

High Schoolers: Military Draft Will Resume

WASHINGTON - Most U.S. high-school students believe the government will restart the military draft during their lifetimes, and shrinking numbers are optimistic about the country's future, a new poll finds.

Among teenagers, 55 percent say young Americans will be required to serve in the military, up from 45 percent last year, according to "The State of Our Nation's Youth," an annual survey by the Horatio Alger Association.

During the year between polls ? May 2003 to May 2004 ? U.S. casualties mounted during attacks in Iraq (news - web sites) even after President Bush (news - web sites) declared on May 1, 2003, that major combat had ended.

Former President Nixon halted the draft in 1973. Pentagon (news - web sites) leaders and numerous generals and admirals have said it should not be resumed because the volunteer military is more efficient. Critics including Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites) have accused the Pentagon of engaging in a "backdoor draft" to compensate for manpower shortages in Iraq with wholesale mobilizations National Guard and Reserve units and other retention tactics.

In the poll, respondents were asked their views of a mandatory military service requirement of two years, and 70 percent of students were opposed.

Still, more young people than not said the United States was right to go to war in Iraq. The poll found 44 percent said the decision was correct, 33 percent said it was wrong, and the rest had no opinion or were unsure.

The students' outlook for the country was dimmer this year, but it remained relatively high, as 68 percent said they were hopeful. That was down from 75 percent last year.

More than two-thirds of students said they care who wins the presidential race, but two-thirds also said they have not closely followed news reporting about the race.

The Horatio Alger Association, which provides college scholarships to needy students, issued its report Tuesday. Results are based on a telephone poll of 1,007 students in grades nine to 12 at the time of the survey, taken May 5 to 7. The students ranged in age from 13 to 19, although most were 15 to 17.

The survey has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

[pxxx]

Im not going to miss that draft.

[fr8]

Hopefully Bush's daughters will get the draft.

[Phoenix]

Originally posted by sean416
They cant just leave buddy, even if you are against the war. If they leave, then there will be a radical uprising in Iraq and it will be a crazy breading ground for extremists and "terrorists".

you bring up a good point, i dont mean to take away from what you are saying but....if they leave it will cause a much bigger uproar then you can imagine they will have violated UN law, and in effect declared war on the world.


they owe a duty to the people of Iraq, they will have to rebuild that entire country... that is why so many other rich and powerful people are moving against the Bush admin right now....he has signed them up to be at war in the middle east for another ten years or so easy, and they feel lied to about it.

[theking]

Originally posted by MattK
Critics including Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry (news - web sites) have accused the Pentagon of engaging in a "backdoor draft" to compensate for manpower shortages in Iraq with wholesale mobilizations National Guard and Reserve units and other retention tactics.

President Bush Sr. began an end force reduction and reformation of the military. This reduction and reformation was carried out throughout the Clinton Presidency. The military end strength was cut by approximately 1,000,000 personel and reformation included making the Reserves and National Guard an integral part of any major deployment of troops. Democrats as well Republican memebers of Congress approved the reduction and the inclusion of the Reserves and National Gaurd as being an intergral part of the Active Duty Military in case of a major deployment. It is a little late in the game to be whining about it now. I was against the reduction of Active Duty military personel.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by sean416
They cant just leave buddy, even if you are against the war. If they leave, then there will be a radical uprising in Iraq and it will be a crazy breading ground for extremists and "terrorists".

Funny how the whole rethoric of invading was exactly to prevent that....

[Peaches]

Well, MattK didn't want to read this because it was written by ex-miliary, lol, but for those who can think logically, here is a demographic and budgetary breakdown of why the draft will NOT happen:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

Just look at the dollar figures alone if you have ADD

[theking]

Originally posted by Peaches
Well, MattK didn't want to read this because it was written by ex-miliary, lol, but for those who can think logically, here is a demographic and budgetary breakdown of why the draft will NOT happen:

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

Just look at the dollar figures alone if you have ADD

Good article.

[erehwon]

besides if there is a draft, think how less crowded this industry will be!

[iwantchixx]

good on it including women. Today's women are too godamn spoiled and pathetic. This might make their skank slut asses appreciate their freedomes and appreciate their designer purses

[myjah]

Originally posted by iwantchixx
good on it including women. Today's women are too godamn spoiled and pathetic. This might make their skank slut asses appreciate their freedomes and appreciate their designer purses

And today's men are so much better? You wish.

[iwantchixx]

Originally posted by myjah
And today's men are so much better? You wish.

yeah, do you see a 10000000 male paris hiltons running around daily? how about 10000000 male mall rats who act and look just like titty spears and christina fagulaira?


girls today are fucked from the get go. Time to show them a dose of reality.

[cold_ice]

Originally posted by fr8
Hopefully Bush's daughters will get the draft.

Fuck yes, but it will never happen.

[Alltopnotch]

good.

[=^..^=]

women are always cryig for equal righyts so its only fair they should be drafted if men are,
tho i am opposed to the draft to begin with - actually im opposed to the war itself

[fr8]

Originally posted by cold_ice
Fuck yes, but it will never happen.

Ill go ahead and keep hoping. Dreams come true.

[pxxx]

Originally posted by =^..^=
women are always cryig for equal righyts so its only fair they should be drafted if men are,
tho i am opposed to the draft to begin with - actually im opposed to the war itself

Exactly, women are now getting what they have faught so hard for. I am happy that the war for equal rights ended as a success for them.

[CDSmith]

The question is, if there is to be a draft, why wouldn't women be included? You can't push for equal rights and then conveniently stop short of an issue you don't like.


If this is true about this coming draft, Bush has indeed put his foot up his own ass on this one. He'll be leaving a dog's breakfast for any new president that might replace him as well.

[Lee]

Originally posted by erehwon
besides if there is a draft, think how less crowded this industry will be!

[hydro]

Id rather break my legs doing a fun stunt.

Originally posted by hydro
Id rather break my legs doing a fun stunt.

Maybe we can start a fight club, beat the fuck out of each other and we'll both be uneligible!

[hydro]

Originally posted by shermsshack
Maybe we can start a fight club, beat the fuck out of each other and we'll both be uneligible!

i think that would be really fun everybody can take thier anger out on people they hate

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by Peaches

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft.htm

Just look at the dollar figures alone if you have ADD

From that link:




Will a draft happen?

Almost certainly not, unless the United States gets involved in a major, major conflict (on the scale of World War II). Probably not even then, for several reasons.






That guy knows dick & covers his ass with his wording with every other sentance.

[pornguy]

I gots da skillz.

I will make their porn sites!

[goBigtime]

Crunching the Numbers. Back to the two pieces of legislation I mention at the beginning of this article: Remember, both bills would require military service (or community service for those who don't medically qualify for military service) for everyone between the ages of 20 and 26. According to the Selective Service, there are currently 11 million men eligible for the draft in that age-range. However, both bills apply to women as well, so about 22 million would be required to serve. Keep in mind that these bills do not just require a portion of them to be drafted, they require everyone to serve.

With all due respect to the good senator and representative, they're full of it, and they know it. There is absolutely no way this country could afford a military with 22 million people serving. Rangel and Hollings introduced the legislation to make a political point (they are against the war in Iraq), not because they think the bills have any chance of passing. They can't pass, and the congressmen know it. Let's do some simple arithmetic:

For the sake of simpler mathematics, we'll assume that all 22 million "draftees" are serving in the grade of E-1 (the lowest enlisted grade). They won't be, of course, but it makes the math easier. An E-1 in today's military starts off with a base pay of $1193.40 per month. $1193.40 multiplied by 22 million comes to $26,254,800,000. That's a payroll of 26 BILLION dollars per month, just in the basic pay. Multiply that by 12, and it's a yearly payroll of $315,057,600,000 (315 BILLION dollars!).

Well, if we have a draft, we don't need to pay that much, right? Okay, assume we give these 22 million troops "slave wages," and just pay them $500 per month. That would still equal a base-pay expense of $12,500,000,000 (12 BILLION dollars) per month, or $150,000,000,000 (150 BILLION dollars) per year.

Let's not forget that we have to feed these troops. It costs the military about $150 per month to feed an enlisted member (assuming they eat all meals in the chow hall). So, we'll have to add $39,600,000,000 (39 BILLION dollars) to our annual military budget for food.

Even his numbers are dumb as fuck.


He calculates everything based on drafting 22 million people all at once.


I read... (somwhere else)

~2/3 of the people in WW2 were drafted.
~1/3 of the people who served in Vietnam were drafted


from yet another site:

2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.



So like 1/3 of 2.6 million were drafted to vietnam.... ~870,000 people.


870,000 people is a little less than 22 million -- which is what your numbers that you want people with ADD to read are based on.

[brizzad]

Originally posted by goBigtime

Crunching the Numbers. Back to the two pieces of legislation I mention at the beginning of this article: Remember, both bills would require military service (or community service for those who don't medically qualify for military service) for everyone between the ages of 20 and 26. According to the Selective Service, there are currently 11 million men eligible for the draft in that age-range. However, both bills apply to women as well, so about 22 million would be required to serve. Keep in mind that these bills do not just require a portion of them to be drafted, they require everyone to serve.

With all due respect to the good senator and representative, they're full of it, and they know it. There is absolutely no way this country could afford a military with 22 million people serving. Rangel and Hollings introduced the legislation to make a political point (they are against the war in Iraq), not because they think the bills have any chance of passing. They can't pass, and the congressmen know it. Let's do some simple arithmetic:

For the sake of simpler mathematics, we'll assume that all 22 million "draftees" are serving in the grade of E-1 (the lowest enlisted grade). They won't be, of course, but it makes the math easier. An E-1 in today's military starts off with a base pay of $1193.40 per month. $1193.40 multiplied by 22 million comes to $26,254,800,000. That's a payroll of 26 BILLION dollars per month, just in the basic pay. Multiply that by 12, and it's a yearly payroll of $315,057,600,000 (315 BILLION dollars!).

Well, if we have a draft, we don't need to pay that much, right? Okay, assume we give these 22 million troops "slave wages," and just pay them $500 per month. That would still equal a base-pay expense of $12,500,000,000 (12 BILLION dollars) per month, or $150,000,000,000 (150 BILLION dollars) per year.

Let's not forget that we have to feed these troops. It costs the military about $150 per month to feed an enlisted member (assuming they eat all meals in the chow hall). So, we'll have to add $39,600,000,000 (39 BILLION dollars) to our annual military budget for food.
[/quote]



Even his numbers are dumb as fuck.


He calculates everything based on drafting 22 million people all at once.


I read...

~2/3 of the people in WW2 were drafted.
~1/3 of the people who served in Vietnam were drafted


from another site:

2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.



So like1/3 of 2.6 million were drafted to vietname.... ~870,000 people.


870,000 people is a little less than 22 million -- which is what your numbers that you want people with ADD to read are based on. [/QUOTE]