brizzad

i was talking to someone last night who makes a living by submitting galleries, he has accounts with russian submitter, advanced submitter, chameleon submitters, and more, and only creates galleries to advertise his paysite he has with 0 affiliates

just curious, anyone else do this?

Roald

I used to submit galleries daily for about 3 years in a row. Made a pretty good living out of it but got borred

I am sure lots of people still do this

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brizzad

how many TGPs would you submit to?

Roald

about 100 with about 60 partner accounts

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Reak

been there, done that. I like having my own paysites better and some tgp software offcourse

johndoebob

I guess it's plain bullshit

It's not called cheating if you use 10 different submitters

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Tom_PMs

I've always wondered this.

If you have 5 computers, make tons of completely unique designs with all nice images and have 5 names/isp's/ip's/hosts/domains, and you submit 1 gallery from each daily (or max. limit for each tgp daily), how is that "cheating"?

Just curious.

Remember, they're all quality, non repetitive, unique styles.

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Roald

only 1 gallery "per" webmaster a day, now what part is that hard to understand ;)

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Adultlexicon

i still do 1 gal every day, its a nice extra

nofx

submitting galleries can make you pretty good money. you sure do burn a shit load of bw though.

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johndoebob

One per webmaster to give others a chance too, but if you use different IPs,domains and a proxy to submit I doubt anybody would find out BUT if TGP owners find it out they'll surely ban your ass.Just play by the rules.

I submit up to 2 galleries per day and take care of quality, own layout and fresh content, that way I get listed almost everywhere I want and I'm happy, no need to play stupid games that just piss people off, there are better things you can do everyday than submitting galleries all day.

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Raf1

I stopped about a year ago. It was nice additional money, but it got really boring

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Tom_PMs

Exactly. Define "webmaster", lol. Do you mean "human"? Do you mean unique entity? Very different things.

Now note: When I reviewd for jjj's years ago, this was a question that a fellow reviewer and I were asking ourselves. There were some regular submitters who were all very unique, yet 2 or 3 of them were also very similar in styles. So we were speculating that it was really the same human being, using different sponsor account names, different domains on unique IP's, using different ISP's to submit from. Now the question was, Is that really cheating? We decided that as long as there was no crossover, no blatant cheating or blatant way to tie them together as being one human, there was absolutely no way to call it cheating you see?

And the other question came up that hey ya know, they're never repeating the content, they're not repeating templates, not redirecting, not doing anything wrong as per rules, so why would anyone even look further anyway?

You *could* go to the ISP's and try to trace the physical location of the machines I guess.. but thats pretty far to go to catch someone who is doing nothing more than submitting good quality galleries that never break the rules, lmao..

So is it really cheating? lol In other words, is "cheating" changing at some point from "dont redirect" (etc) to "we're working to prevent you from making more money"??

I thought it was a good debate, so revived it here, lol.


<edit: btw, I havent done a gallery in a couple of years now, and those I've submitted in past are still listed fine. This is just a debate, not a method I ever used>

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emmanuelle

Would a person do better by submitting one gallery per day, or one free site?

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FilthyRob

Doesn't matter how good you hide it, most reviewers can tell when muitliple submits are from the same person trying to use different ip's and emails.

I reviewed for years and you'd see different galleries, different emails, but it was always like 1 number off on the ip addresses and the email addresses were always [email protected]

Never like [email protected], or [email protected] and stuff.

You can tell

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kmanrox

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...adid=356434&s=

I just heard that most submitters are using Hosted-Galleries and not ordering custom TGP-templates anymore. This is ludicrous.

I am here to help.

I will have 5-10 CUSTOM TGP GALLERIES made up for ANY SPONSOR, ANY SITE you like. You are in COMPLETE CONTROL of what the designers make.

The ONLY stipulation is that in the design in a semi inconspicuous part of the design a small text advert for an online pharmacy with YOUR LINK code to the affiliate program (30% commish, average sale $125+)....

Eligibility:
You should have partner accounts in more than 1 very large TGP and be able to prove it.
You should have a good presence in the big TGP's on a daily basis, and be able to prove it.
I can accept reject applicants for whatever reason I see fit.

E-Mail kmanrox at gmail dot com if you feel you qualify.

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johndoebob

kmanrox just post a link to your program, I make my own galleries and I'm happy with them
I'd rather take product related content for exclusive gallery advertising.

Btw I wouldn't e-mail to/use gmail adresses because of the heavy data mining, you never know when governments and other people get their hands on them and I'm sure they aren't RX friendly

Better get an anonymous non data mining hushmail adress.

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Nicky

More money from free sites in the long run!

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hey joe, icq me pls =)

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Tom_PMs

And if you have 4 computers using 4 ISP's and you use the ISP address and purchased templates? I did reviews for years as well for TGP and link list, and you're right.. You can spot them, but you can only spot the ones that are spottable.

This is an old debate, and I guess it's really a moot point as most people find it enough work to just do one or two galleries a day as allowed. Personally, I would never have the energy to do more than 1 a day lol.. In fact, even that got tiresome so I went to mostly PPC and regular SE quite a long time ago. Although may start up on content sites again if the laws dont tighten for record keeping.

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FlyingIguana

but if you have different personalities...

WarChild

This is what I've found with movie galleries:

You can make many more than the standard of 1 or 2 galleries per day. Just as long as you don't try to be deceptive. Don't try hiding your identity at all. If a MGP ONLY wants 1 or 2 submissions, or maybe just 1 every 2 days (Hun for instance), don't fuck around. Respect the rules.

When you've been making clean, quality galleries daily for some period of time, you will begin to build up some trust. If you don't fuck the surfer, or other webmasters, you'll find rules may bend a little. If you're making quality stuff, with fresh content and different templates, most small-medium MGP's will welcome your submissions. You can get more traffic from multiple submissions to medium sized MGPs than a single submission to large MGPs. I've tried it both ways.

Many of my partner accounts will accept between 5 and 10 galleries per day. In many cases, sites will give me multiple partner accounts. Again, be upfront with what you're doing. No deception required or tolerated.

Be responsible with the traffic MGP's send you. Create quality galleries. They will list you.

brizzad

a few of you say that you can make some good money, but you wont get rich..

what's considered good money?

WarChild

$10,000-$20,000 per month.

frish

it's just fun, but not really job ...

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Lykos

Agree

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WickedVenus

To me thats more than good money!!

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WarChild

It seems like it, at first. The thing is, you need to be pretty good at making galleries to make that much money. You need partner accounts. You need to go to shows to meet people. It begins to consume all of your time. I can't remember the last time I took a real day off was.

While I don't generally advocate blindly buying listings, there are some good deals out there. Look for cheap partner account deals. There's some good networks out there now where you get 1 or 2 posts a day on 5-10 medium sized MGPs. Look for these sorts of deals. When you know your traffic you'll be able to spot good deals.

I find generally that the more expensive listings are only very profitable if you own the paysite you're selling. Hard to make really good money with hun listings selling Nasty dollars. It can be done, but you've got to be pretty good at what you're doing.

Sometimes you'll have a lean month. Sometimes sponsors or billers will go out of business. There's no guarantee you will be in business next month, never mind next year. It's very volatile.

So while it's good money, it's not easy sailing.

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AdultNex

How does creating and submitting galleries take up an entire day?

Macros, my man... Macros.

phogirl69

Well, it's not cheating if you can get another human being to buy domains and make galleries but submit galleries with your ref code from their own pc ... lol I think this would work good with a boyfriend or girlfriend... I can tell my boyfriend to go submit galleries with my refcode and I'll "reward" him later ... this would work and is not cheating because it is actually 2 different people submitting from different locations and different pc, the guy could submit from his home, and I submit from mine... Will this work????

Maybe I should date like 5 guys and have all of them submit for me from their homes? They can get their own partner accounts under their names but are only allowed to use my sponsor code!
If they don't do it they can't go out with me!!!!!!

This way they don't have to buy me expensive gifts and take me out to fancy dinners, I can go shopping with the extra money Am I a genius or what? I actually seriously thought about this!

But I would have to be smart and make sure they don't go into business by themselves... If they do... I will have to dump their punk asses!! Guys are desperate, they will do anything for pussy... So this could be another hoop they could jump through for me??? Good idea? Yes? No? I am not kidding either, if I had a boyfriend who was easily manipulated I'd make him go submit galleries for me, PUT HIS BITCH ASS TO WORK!

If you guys have gf's you could train them like this too...

WarChild

Content selection, encoding, thumbnailing, submitting, ICQ chat .. You can't auto submit to every site. Trust me, it adds up.

johndoebob

Should be one of the Getaway in Stockholm vids (illegal street racing with nice cars).

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phogirl69

So is my idea good or whacked? I bet I could get some guys who are totally in love with me to go submit galleries for me...

If u have significant others just train them to submit and do bitch work for you.. This way you don't even have to pay outsourcing co's from third world countries... You get the work done for free but you "reward" them in "special" ways... you know what I mean? If you are going to do it with them anyways, get some bitch work out of it in return? Hopefully the other person is not too much of an idiot and somewhat pc literate... just train them like a monkey... monkey sees... monkey does...

Broda

Nice to see an interesting tgp thread for a chance.

TGP money isn't easy anymore. It's a time thing. Where you could justify spending an entire day on it a year ago or two, today you need to send out 20 different galleries in way less time, to make the same kind of money. Or even come close.

However, it is certainly possible. A full time job? Ofcourse, if you handsubmit. But the clever folks don't handsubmit. Only the dinosaurs do.

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seer

hosted galleries have killed the submitters.......

lock

more submiting than surfers some of these auto tgps ae geting tonnes of submissions and turn over the content quick

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Free sites long term, galleries short term

But if you've made a free site then you've already got the content and templates ready made for galleries AND AVS sites, so do all three

polish_aristocrat

I replied to this thread yestarday, but my post got deleted because GFY was down, so here it is again.

phogirl69 - I want to be your boyfriend :D

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fris

making about 5-6k a month submitting galleries is no problem.

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Groove

Many people make decent money from multiple daily TGP submissions...

But why use multiple submitters? This makes no sense.

I smell bullshit.

Nylz

me me me!

I submit 3-4 MGP galleries daily, and yes, I make some good money
I have some paid partner accounts, buy some spots at big TGPs/MGPs, have about 300 sites in my database, with about 150-175 partner accounts..

I'm using Dreamsubmitter, and it rocks!

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Nylz

I concur

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