Discuss the Assault Weapons Ban Expiration - GoFuckYourself.com

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:07 AM

As of today, you can legally purchase Uzis, AK-47s, etc.

Do we really need such weapons? Do you think crime rates will rise? Will we see more mass murders in public places?

Discuss.

Manowar · 09-13-2004, 10:09 AM

No, my gun is completely nescessary for hunting.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
No, my gun is completely nescessary for hunting.

Of course it is.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:11 AM

Speaking of hunting... I would never want to limit a person's right to hunt. But I feel that I am a little bit better than that. I don't feel the need to track down animals in pursuit of the fulfillment of primitive urges.

crockett · 09-13-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
As of today, you can legally purchase Uzis, AK-47s, etc.

Do we really need such weapons? Do you think crime rates will rise? Will we see more mass murders in public places?

Discuss.

I don't know about UZI's but you could always buy a AK-47's same with M16's and so on.. was nothing stopping you from buying them before. The ban only restricted certain things on the guns themselves.

Marcus Aurelius · 09-13-2004, 10:12 AM

I would like to discuss it but im gonna be busy target practicing with my new Uzi 9mm

Marcus Aurelius · 09-13-2004, 10:13 AM

criminals will always have guns, whether they can walk in a store and buy them legally or not. dont see much of a change in crime ahead of us.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by mdcq
criminals will always have guns, whether they can walk in a store and buy them legally or not. dont see much of a change in crime ahead of us.

Drug users will always have drugs. Doesn't mean we should legalize Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, etc.

Or should we?

ytcracker · 09-13-2004, 10:14 AM

guns dont have to be for hunting

the right to bear arms is unconditional

i would go so far as to say my guns are used solely for the purpose of hurting another human being should they encroach on me or my family

my dad went out and bought most of the banned weapons anyway

now i will just have a chance to enhance my collection

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
guns dont have to be for hunting

the right to bear arms is unconditional

i would go so far as to say my guns are used solely for the purpose of hurting another human being should they encroach on me or my family

my dad went out and bought most of the banned weapons anyway

now i will just have a chance to enhance my collection

I am waiting for a kick-ass rap about this issue from you. When will it be ready?

brand0n · 09-13-2004, 10:16 AM

me and my trusty airsoft will take you all on!

robfantasy · 09-13-2004, 10:19 AM

cool i need to go get a new ak 47

ytcracker · 09-13-2004, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I am waiting for a kick-ass rap about this issue from you. When will it be ready?

hahahah theres enough gun/shooting/killing bullshit rap out there so ill pass

im more defense oriented
im not so proactive in the violence category

Marcus Aurelius · 09-13-2004, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Drug users will always have drugs. Doesn't mean we should legalize Meth, Heroin, Cocaine, etc.

Or should we?

No certainly not. but it probably wouldnt change who used it and who did not, if someone is going to commit a violent crime or destroy their life with drugs then they are not gonna let a little thing like the law stop them, thats all I was saying.

Aly-Python · 09-13-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Speaking of hunting... I would never want to limit a person's right to hunt. But I feel that I am a little bit better than that. I don't feel the need to track down animals in pursuit of the fulfillment of primitive urges.

I read an interesting article once about this very accomplished female hunter. She wouldn't eat any meat that she didn't kill herself... a vegetarian of sorts who could only eat animals she'd looked in the eye first! I'm not capable of hunting, myself, but that's definitely an fascinating spin!

The Truth Hurts · 09-13-2004, 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by ytcracker
the right to bear arms is unconditional

no, it isn't.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:37 AM

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Originally posted by Aly-Python
I read an interesting article once about this very accomplished female hunter. She wouldn't eat any meat that she didn't kill herself... a vegetarian of sorts who could only eat animals she'd looked in the eye first! I'm not capable of hunting, myself, but that's definitely an fascinating spin!

I think if I had to look at an animal's eyes as I killed it I'd likely become a vegetarian. Maybe that's hypocritical. If so, so be it. But I stopped killing animals when I shot a dove and my grandmother told me that by the actions I was describing, it was likely trying to lure me from its nest, and I'd just left some baby birds without their mother to feed them... they'd die a painful death of starvation.

I was 12 or so. That was the last animal I killed.

ytcracker · 09-13-2004, 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
no, it isn't.

according to the constitution

A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be
infringed.

some gay revisions here and there
but i should be able to have a nuclear bomb if im responsible

edit: err not revisions but "clarifications"

baddog · 09-13-2004, 10:42 AM

California has their own ban, I have to go to AZ, NV, or OR if I want a new toy

Aly-Python · 09-13-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I think if I had to look at an animal's eyes as I killed it I'd likely become a vegetarian. Maybe that's hypocritical. If so, so be it. But I stopped killing animals when I shot a dove and my grandmother told me that by the actions I was describing, it was likely trying to lure me from its nest, and I'd just left some baby birds without their mother to feed them... they'd die a painful death of starvation.

I was 12 or so. That was the last animal I killed.

eek! Yeah, that'll do it to ya! I became a vegetarian for years when I was a kid... I was trekking in Nepal with my family and we had a bunch of chickens with us. I was too young and stupid to put it together, so I named each of them and played with them, and ate chicken curry for dinner each night... It only dawned on me that I was participating in a genocide most fowl when there was a single chicken left! I couldn't eat animals for four years after that!

I'm much better now, though... pass the hot wings!

gangbangjoe · 09-13-2004, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
No, my gun is completely nescessary for hunting.

jawanda · 09-13-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by Aly-Python
I read an interesting article once about this very accomplished female hunter. She wouldn't eat any meat that she didn't kill herself... a vegetarian of sorts who could only eat animals she'd looked in the eye first! I'm not capable of hunting, myself, but that's definitely an fascinating spin!

I am a pseudo-vegetarian with pretty much the same mentality ...

I don't have to kill everything I eat, but I have to be willing to and have to have done it in the past. I could care less what anyone else eats, but for me it's about being honest with myself and not turning a blind eye.

I eat fish.

-P

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
California has their own ban, I have to go to AZ, NV, or OR if I want a new toy

I have to admit, owning one of those very cool looking guns is an interesting idea. But I don't think I'd want to own ammunition for it or shoot it. Maybe just let it sit in a glass case. I don't have a desire to shoot one. At least not at the moment. Maybe I'd want to shoot it if I had it in my hands.

piker · 09-13-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
As of today, you can legally purchase Uzis, AK-47s, etc.

Do we really need such weapons? Do you think crime rates will rise? Will we see more mass murders in public places?

Discuss.

Im a Republican and pro guns.. but this seems rediculus to me... I can't think of a single reason why such weapons are needed... Unless, people want to start a rebellion...

I know there is an agrument for sport reasons.. But maybe, we could do something like if you goto the range you can shoot these etc...

But, I assume these guns are regulated not any joe blow can get one right?

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by jawanda
I am a pseudo-vegetarian with pretty much the same mentality ...

I don't have to kill everything I eat, but I have to be willing to and have to have done it in the past. I could care less what anyone else eats, but for me it's about being honest with myself and not turning a blind eye.

I eat fish.

-P

I love fish. My very favorite food is ANY type of sushi. I spend $800 - $1,000 a month at "The Rawbar" here in town.

baddog · 09-13-2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
I have to admit, owning one of those very cool looking guns is an interesting idea. But I don't think I'd want to own ammunition for it or shoot it. Maybe just let it sit in a glass case. I don't have a desire to shoot one. At least not at the moment. Maybe I'd want to shoot it if I had it in my hands.

wouldn't that be like dating a Playboy Playmate and not being able to fuck her?

jawanda · 09-13-2004, 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
wouldn't that be like dating a Playboy Playmate and not being able to fuck her?

seeric · 09-13-2004, 10:48 AM

no law ever stopped criminals from getting auto weapons. now that they're legal, criminals will want other weapons that ARE illegal. now all the bank robbers and kidnappers and soon will carry stinger missles and hand grenades instead of uzi's

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
wouldn't that be like dating a Playboy Playmate and not being able to fuck her?

I guess that's a pretty good comparison.

DimeStoreNovel · 09-13-2004, 10:49 AM

why do you clowns start a thread about assault weapons and then post pics of and talk about fully automatic weapons?
don't you know the difference?
you are fucking dangerous to yourself and society in general.

AaronM · 09-13-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
As of today, you can legally purchase Uzis, AK-47s, etc.

Do we really need such weapons? Do you think crime rates will rise? Will we see more mass murders in public places?

Discuss.

You could always legally purchase these weapons. The ban simply stopped them from being manufactured or imported. With the ban gone, the prices of these weapons should fall.

Considering that the average criminal does not obtain them legally, this really should not have that big on an impact on the crime rates.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by A1R3K
no law ever stopped criminals from getting auto weapons. now that they're legal, criminals will want other weapons that ARE illegal. now all the bank robbers and kidnappers and soon will carry stinger missles and hand grenades instead of uzi's

I know a man that has 10 lbs of C4. I stay far, far away from him.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
You could always legally purchase these weapons. The ban simply stopped them from being manufactured or imported. With the ban gone, the prices of these weapons should fall.

Considering that the average criminal does not obtain them legally, this really should not have that big on an impact on the crime rates.

Don't you have a pretty decent gun collection?

SykkBoy · 09-13-2004, 10:54 AM

I love hunting
the primitive urge to track something, kill it, clean it, then grill it...
all of my first kills, I remember biting into the heart of the animal and becoming one with the animal...although on my first deer heart, my dad was nearby and caught some blood spurts....

Hunters are conservationists for the most part. It is a way of keeping overbred animal populations in check. For those who think hunting is cruel, they should see what Mother Nature dishes out to starving animals that have barren grazing lands...

Donny · 09-13-2004, 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by SykkBoy2
I love hunting
the primitive urge to track something, kill it, clean it, then grill it...
all of my first kills, I remember biting into the heart of the animal and becoming one with the animal...although on my first deer heart, my dad was nearby and caught some blood spurts....

Hunters are conservationists for the most part. It is a way of keeping overbred animal populations in check. For those who think hunting is cruel, they should see what Mother Nature dishes out to starving animals that have barren grazing lands...

I do not have a problem with others hunting. I simply stated that I feel it is beneath me. It is not necessary for me to hunt to survive. If there was some sort of nuclear holocaust that put us back into the dark ages I'm sure I'd do it. But at the moment I have no desire to kill. Animals, anyways. LOL.

Manowar · 09-13-2004, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by robfantasy
cool i need to go get a new ak 47

who doesnt need a new AK47?

newbreed · 09-13-2004, 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
You could always legally purchase these weapons. The ban simply stopped them from being manufactured or imported. With the ban gone, the prices of these weapons should fall.

Well, kind of.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
You could always legally purchase these weapons. The ban simply stopped them from being manufactured or imported. With the ban gone, the prices of these weapons should fall.

Considering that the average criminal does not obtain them legally, this really should not have that big on an impact on the crime rates.

Not in California.

AaronM · 09-13-2004, 11:25 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Don't you have a pretty decent gun collection?

Not me...No sir.

Guns are bad. They kill innocent people.

Manowar · 09-13-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
Not me...No sir.

Guns are bad. They kill innocent people.

So that m16 pic was photoshop ?

AaronM · 09-13-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Not in California.

We're not discussing the CA state regulations. THis thread is on the assault weapons ban........You picked the topic, not me.

AaronM · 09-13-2004, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
So that m16 pic was photoshop ?

I'm not sure what you are referring to.

Donny · 09-13-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
We're not discussing the CA state regulations. THis thread is on the assault weapons ban........You picked the topic, not me.

I should have clarified my "Not in California" post. I should have mentioned that I was ignorant of the difference in the law outside of California on assault weapons. And by what others have posted in this thread, I am ignorant of the fact that nothing has changed in California. I still can't go down to Walmart and buy an AK. Damn. LOL.

warlock5 · 09-13-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by AaronM
You could always legally purchase these weapons. The ban simply stopped them from being manufactured or imported. With the ban gone, the prices of these weapons should fall.

Considering that the average criminal does not obtain them legally, this really should not have that big on an impact on the crime rates.

Nice to know I'm not the only one here who understands the law!

I don't care if someone is for or against gun control laws, at least know the facts before you start talking about them on TV and misleading everyone.

A real arguement here would be that they are cheaper and thus somewhat easier for criminals to get. Of course, if they have a previous criminal record then they won't be able to purchase them legally anyways.

newbreed · 09-13-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
So that m16 pic was photoshop ?

The gun in that pic did not fall under the definition of an assault weapon as noted under the ban as far as I could tell. Been a while since I've seen it, but that was either a pre-ban gun or it did not have more than 4 "points" required to fall under the assault weapon description.

SongRider · 09-13-2004, 11:38 AM

The ban on assult weapons only made upper middle class housewives and people who dont have a clue feel better and more safe. When you get down to the street level it made NO difference at all..... They were as common as before the so called "ban" went into effect.

Its the people that do the killing NOT the guns.....

Why dont we ban airplanes and see if that stops terrorism!!!

theking · 09-13-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
As of today, you can legally purchase Uzis, AK-47s, etc.

Do we really need such weapons? Do you think crime rates will rise? Will we see more mass murders in public places?

Discuss.

Prior to the "ban"...so called "assault" weapons were used in far less than 1% of crimes that involve weapons. I currently do not know if the "ban" reduced the number of crimes that "assault" weapons were used in by any significant number since the number was not significant prior to the "ban".

The "ban" was against the import of the weapons and was not grand fathered thus there never was really a federal "ban" against ownership of the weapons (some states established their own "ban" and in some cases the "ban" was much stricter than the federal "ban")...in addition it did not totally ban the import...because the manufacturers made cosmetic changes on some weapons thus qualifying them for import.

Some people do not realize that the sale of full automatic weapons was banned...I think by a 1934 law (execept for those that possess a license to own full automatic weapons)...and that the "assault" weapons being discussed are not full automatic weapons. They are semi automatic weapons and they do not shoot any further...or any faster...nor are they anymore powerful then any semi automatic "hunting/target shooting" weapon that has always been legal to own. The only real difference in them over any semi automatic weapon is the number of rounds held in the clips/magazines. Other than that they are not anymore dangerous/malevolent than anyother semi automatic weapon.

As for "need"...that is subjective...in the eye of the beholder...so to speak.

Darkland · 09-13-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by DimeStoreNovel
why do you clowns start a thread about assault weapons and then post pics of and talk about fully automatic weapons?
don't you know the difference?
you are fucking dangerous to yourself and society in general.

You are correct and it seems your statement was overlooked. Yes, the Assault Weapons Ban has expired, it was never meant to be a lasting ban. If anyone knew what they were talking about or knew the actual details of the criteria and provisions of the ban you would know that Fully Automatic Weapons were not a part of this ban. The provisions in the ban restricted certain models of Semi Auto weapons and accessories, this also inculded the LCAFD(Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device) Ban that was set in place with the Assault Weapons Ban. So now you are able to purchase those Weapons and HC Mags listed in the Bans. As for the National Firearms Act (NFA) it still holds that you will not be able to obtain or own Fully Automatic Weapons and probably never will be able to. Also, Just because the Ban on AW has been lifted doesn't mean everyone will be able to purchase them since this ban is at the Federal Level, State and Local laws can and probably will still not allow the purchase of these items. Those of you lucky enough to live in states that do, well I have one thing to say. Shopping Spree

DimeStoreNovel · 09-13-2004, 11:54 AM

you just wait!
all the repulicans are going to buy guns and shoot all the domocrats and that is how they will win the election.
and then ashcrap will jail all of you for midget porn.
yeah, that is what is going to happen.

its them republicans they are the problem.

KRL · 09-13-2004, 11:56 AM

I want an M1A1.

09-13-2004, 10:07 AM	#1
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Discuss the Assault Weapons Ban Expiration As of today, you can legally purchase Uzis, AK-47s, etc. Do we really need such weapons? Do you think crime rates will rise? Will we see more mass murders in public places? Discuss.

09-13-2004, 10:09 AM	#2
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	No, my gun is completely nescessary for hunting. Last edited by Manowar; 09-13-2004 at 10:10 AM..

09-13-2004, 10:14 AM	#9
ytcracker stc is the greatest Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: rip sean murray Posts: 12,403	guns dont have to be for hunting the right to bear arms is unconditional i would go so far as to say my guns are used solely for the purpose of hurting another human being should they encroach on me or my family my dad went out and bought most of the banned weapons anyway now i will just have a chance to enhance my collection __________________ www.ytcracker.com \| www.digitalgangster.com i love you

09-13-2004, 10:16 AM	#11
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09-13-2004, 10:19 AM	#12
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09-13-2004, 10:11 AM	#4
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	Speaking of hunting... I would never want to limit a person's right to hunt. But I feel that I am a little bit better than that. I don't feel the need to track down animals in pursuit of the fulfillment of primitive urges.

09-13-2004, 10:12 AM	#6
Marcus Aurelius No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14,809	I would like to discuss it but im gonna be busy target practicing with my new Uzi 9mm

09-13-2004, 10:13 AM	#7
Marcus Aurelius No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 14,809	criminals will always have guns, whether they can walk in a store and buy them legally or not. dont see much of a change in crime ahead of us.

09-13-2004, 10:42 AM	#19
baddog So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: the beach, SoCal Posts: 107,089	California has their own ban, I have to go to AZ, NV, or OR if I want a new toy

09-13-2004, 10:48 AM	#28
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,917	no law ever stopped criminals from getting auto weapons. now that they're legal, criminals will want other weapons that ARE illegal. now all the bank robbers and kidnappers and soon will carry stinger missles and hand grenades instead of uzi's

09-13-2004, 10:49 AM	#30
DimeStoreNovel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 151	why do you clowns start a thread about assault weapons and then post pics of and talk about fully automatic weapons? don't you know the difference? you are fucking dangerous to yourself and society in general.

09-13-2004, 10:54 AM	#34
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	I love hunting the primitive urge to track something, kill it, clean it, then grill it... all of my first kills, I remember biting into the heart of the animal and becoming one with the animal...although on my first deer heart, my dad was nearby and caught some blood spurts.... Hunters are conservationists for the most part. It is a way of keeping overbred animal populations in check. For those who think hunting is cruel, they should see what Mother Nature dishes out to starving animals that have barren grazing lands... __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

09-13-2004, 11:38 AM	#46
SongRider Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: KY- The state not the jelly Posts: 648	The ban on assult weapons only made upper middle class housewives and people who dont have a clue feel better and more safe. When you get down to the street level it made NO difference at all..... They were as common as before the so called "ban" went into effect. Its the people that do the killing NOT the guns..... Why dont we ban airplanes and see if that stops terrorism!!!

09-13-2004, 11:54 AM	#49
DimeStoreNovel Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 151	you just wait! all the repulicans are going to buy guns and shoot all the domocrats and that is how they will win the election. and then ashcrap will jail all of you for midget porn. yeah, that is what is going to happen. its them republicans they are the problem.

09-13-2004, 11:56 AM	#50
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	I want an M1A1.