Controversial WM Gossip Board Bad?

[12clicks]

if you drape yourself in the truth, you are invincible and don't need to hide. Anonymity is for liars, thieves, and punks.

You've been around long enough to see the proof of this.

[LeeNoga]

Excellent feedback--

On a majority of boards, you can fill in the post form and be "Lensman" or use "SexyGirl", you are not who you say you are, so how can the board hold them accountable. Same with IRC..most ppl are in reality "anons" anyhoo.

PPL will not post sincere stuff in fear of retaliation or job concerns. No content, no site, with no emphasis on them, they will speak up.

We do however read the posts, and control what newsbyte posts that starts the thread, and so far there has been no abuse IMHO, and just a bunch of peeps commenting pro or con, something they already do on any message board...whats the difference?

I would never hurt anyone unless the person is a predator of webmasters. I am so pro freedom of speech. Even if a post rubs a player they can come in and set the record straight and turn the whole thread into a marketing springboard and build goodwill..

This is why we have a commentary section, we don't want to shut out the company or topic we are talking about, we want their input.

What is the compromise with our concept in your opinion...what do you recommend we do to lower the anxiety level of those stung by LukeFord a bazillon times and making me pay the price

We give the ability for poster to leave their name, some do, some do not, is that my bad? If wew force them, they will lie anyhoo.
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[Tam]

Can you log their ips so you know if they put Lensman there is a way to find out that they are NOT Lensman?

There HAS to be a medium........ they should be held accountable for their actions just as the sponsors should be....... and hiding behind false names is only feeding the liars and cheats in this business.... I could be wrong but this is how I feel.

That's alot of what is wrong in the damn world today...... I totally believe in free speech, probably as much as you do Lee, but one also has got to be held accountable for their actions......... not just sponsors but webmasters as well. Don't you think?

No one is held accountable anymore and this just leaves for the next one to take a little deeper approach and the next one to go deeper..... where does it stop? They have GOT to be held accountable on some level and on this board you are talking about as well as anywhere else.

Make them register and log their ips, that would help somewhat.

Boneprone....... shh.... I am on a damn wild streak today. LMAO

Tam

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[Warphead]

I agree with most everyone else. I'd read a gossip board, but if everyone's completely anon either everyone would just make up shit, or everyone like me would assume it was made up.

I mean how many guys on here keep secret what they run (if anything)? If someone wants to, they already can - but they should at least be limited to one handle so if one guy just keeps making up shit everyone can recognize it.

[LeeNoga]

Yes, *WE* know the IP numbers, we just don't want to make them public, IP nbrs are like SSN's. We don't want to assist a moron in doing a denial of service attack on somebody. PPL know how to spoof IP's and remain well hidden as a poster even when using a nick nobody recognizes. Some then give bogus email addy's and others default to trusting it as valid. IP tracking is not as useful as you think, it can be spoof'd to protect ones identity.

If we become too stringent [ie--register], we will turn off the community as that would be viewed as a hassle. OTR did this in 1999, and we had to "relax" with our policies, been there, done that, done with that...

Our site is dependent on tidbits the community channels thru us, we cannot create hoops or we get no content. Currently, we read a slew of boards and get what we think is news/useful info off them...since not everyone can read every single board...

I WILL NOT get into arbitration with webmasters that did not get paid, and hence a sponsor sucks. Thats NOT the boards focus, they need to work it out with the sponsor private. If alot of webmasters with creditability come foreward then "Yes" I would have to mention this because something is not right, and webmasters are owed an alert, imho...

I don't think the site could survive on just amusement statements, obviously not believable.

Oh, I dunno....damn,...I don't know if I make any sense anymore..

Ammended: Did not explain right, we peruse other boards to try to validate what was submitted.

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[This message has been edited by LeeNoga (edited 07-14-2001).]

[shunga]

Why not have registered members and guests? You wouldn't have to register to post, but if you did it would give your posts more weight.

[Taz]

Well, hey there everyone. I've been reading around here for a while and got urged to come out of lurker mode, so here I am.

I've read the responses to Lee's new project both here and on other boards and I feel there are a lot of folks in this biz that need to find or buy a sense of humor.

While I do agree with some form of accountability, I also see that there are webmasters or company employees out there who have questions or comments but may be afraid of the ramifications involved with putting there name on the post. Why do you think mainstream companies have anon whistle blowers. Lee's doing the same thing and those threads are listed as Fucked or Fiction with the question as to if it's really an issue or just shit stirring. Does doing it this way create a more neutral responsibility on Lee's part. Well, I think so, how about you?

I know a lot of posts are judged not only on the name attached to them but also on the IP to validate the poster. But come on, we've all seen those "test" posts on the boards where folks are testing anonymizer sites, so logging IP's doesn't really prove crap. As to having folks register, they'd give fake info if they wanted to so why add a useless step into the process.

Lee, you go girl, stand your ground. I know your business ethics and I think folks are jumping the gun on you with this new site.

And let me say right now that I'm not affiliated with fuckedmaster.com beyond openly supporting Lee on it, my interests are with OTR as it's director of operations.

I should have been involved here long ago, now you guys won't be able to get rid of me, now where the hell is my GFY.

Peace,

[boneprone]

Taz, GOFUCKYOURSELF!

[boneprone]

And Welcome to the FUCKING BOARD YOU FUCK.

[aprilkorova]

I think Shunga had the best idea (no offense, all others were good).

If you have it where only registered users may post and log their IP and require a "webmaster" addy....not a free one like yahoo, etc. than you have a greater chance of people not doing wrong.

But, the bottom line is, if you have a board like this...you have to expect people using different names, IPs, etc. just to slander for purely malevolent reasons.

It would make it very hard for a webmaster to know who is truly being screwed and who is just trying to slaughter the competition.

[TheFLY]

Anyone can spread rumors or lies or even start their own webmaster board.

I trust the friends that I have made in this biz over the years... and they trust me... I think that's more important than making money.

In other words I have no problem with anonymous speech -- it's all anonymous anyway when you think about it. 12Clicks can tell me to sit back down in the peanut gallery on the GFY board -- but would he look me in the eye and say that? I would kick his ass if he did.

I learned you can't trust anyone online when I was 12 when I had a BBS -- some guy on my system pretended to be a friendly programmer that had coded a very useful ANSI tool for my BBS. When I went to execute it -- I discovered that it was a personalized trojan horse with ASCii RIP grave stones with my name on it, my brother's, and my co-sysop's... *laugh* fortunately that guy was an idiot because his trojan tried to destroy the FAT on my C: but I executed his program on the D: and his trojan crashed and didn't even work! hahaahah...

Do you remember the Good, Bad, and Ugly site? Is that still up? I used to check on that page frequently until I actually tried the programs that were recommended and they sucked...

"The truth will out"

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[12clicks]

hey, I've got it, just make another netpond! But this time have a commentary section for each post. yeah, that's it, and then, go to another board and spam, er, I mean ask questions about what webmasters want in a board. yeah, that's it.

[TheFLY]

Hehehe 12clicks that's pretty fucking funny...

Oh yeah I don't do this for fun -- I forgot... ;)

[LeeNoga]

FLY,

If we had them register to "give them more weight" how do we know the info they used at registration is valid and not bogus just to complete this step we added [signing up].

Does GFY prohibit use of free email accounts when signing up to this board? There are so many ways to get around "details".

Gawd, 12 Clicks don't want another Pond! :-)


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[shunga]

A new poster is anonymous in the sense that they haven't built up an identity through their posts. A post has more weight when the poster's name is familiar. I don't think their details are all that important in comparison. But having the option to be anonymous might be useful, although it WOULD be abused, and you'd have to be prepared for that, and read anonymous carefully, just as you do new posters on other boards.