Question for SE Gurus - GoFuckYourself.com

Killah · 09-12-2004, 02:23 AM

I have a technical question about the google spiders and the pagerank. Let's say you have a domain and 1000 subdomains for it. under each subdomain you will find real websites, all with different content and text, linked to internal and external pages. All subdomains and pages are on one IP. On each of the html pages under the subdomains you place a link to www.mysite.com at the bottom of the page and a link to a next randomly selected subdomain-page, so the spiders can run through the whole network.
Would the page rank of www.mysite.com raise, since it's linked from thousands of html pages under these subdomains ?

railz · 09-12-2004, 02:25 AM

Under one IP? Dream on.

netproperty · 09-12-2004, 02:27 AM

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Originally posted by railz
Under one IP? Dream on.

yeah thats kinda important

soukee · 09-12-2004, 02:36 AM

... so how can I increase my PR?:-)

Killah · 09-12-2004, 02:37 AM

Okay, so the IP is the key to this all ? I can change a lot of stuff on the system if needed, but the IP would be pretty impossible.

fr8 · 09-12-2004, 02:45 AM

Get a host that offers different class C blocks that you can buy.

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by Killah
Would the page rank of www.mysite.com raise, since it's linked from thousands of html pages under these subdomains ?

The network is useless unless its populated by outside links. You could create a network of 10,000+ pages but if you don't have a single relevant or high PR link coming to you, you're network is as good as dead. The PR system is not based on volume but quality as well.

WG

Theo · 09-12-2004, 02:52 AM

exactly what wiredguy said.

marttali · 09-12-2004, 02:54 AM

Why do you worry about PR ? It means shit, actually its the visitors that you want or am i wrong ? Dont put them on the same ip, you most likely get penalized ! If you plan to put them on same ip, you gotta implement a way different linking structure, use your brain.

And about PR - yeasterday i saw a pornsite with PR 10 - yes thats correct. It used the latest bug in algo and voila there it is - pr10 .But no traffic (or very low). So dont hunt PR, instead traffic and links !

netproperty · 09-12-2004, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by soukee
... so how can I increase my PR?:-)

the secret is at setiathome.

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 02:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
And about PR - yeasterday i saw a pornsite with PR 10 - yes thats correct. It used the latest bug in algo and voila there it is - pr10 .But no traffic (or very low). So dont hunt PR, instead traffic and links !

Is it actually a PR10 or is it being spoofed via redirects to a true PR10 domain? Mind sharing what domain it was?

WG

soukee · 09-12-2004, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
Why do you worry about PR ? It means shit, actually its the visitors that you want or am i wrong ?

But without PR you don't have top positions, am I wrong?

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
And about PR - yeasterday i saw a pornsite with PR 10 - yes thats correct. It used the latest bug in algo and voila there it is - pr10 .But no traffic (or very low). So dont hunt PR, instead traffic and links !

I have seen it too...

marttali · 09-12-2004, 02:59 AM

spoofed, no i wount share it,we dont need the replicators.

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by soukee
But without PR you don't have top positions, am I wrong?

I have quite a few top rankings with PR0. marttali is right, PR is overrated these days. Especially with Google not doing an update in nearly 80 days now.

WG

Killah · 09-12-2004, 03:00 AM

Okay

to hit the nail on the head: How could or would you use a freehost with the structure username.freehostdomain.com/userpages.html to increase SE traffic to a dating website ? We have mullions of hits on our network and I was wondering how they could be used for SE optimization. I'd flip some coins for the one that helps us with this, since we have no SE-Guys in our team.

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by marttali
spoofed, no i wount share it,we dont need the replicators.

No problem, I know the exploit you're talking about.
WG

soukee · 09-12-2004, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Is it actually a PR10 or is it being spoofed via redirects to a true PR10 domain? Mind sharing what domain it was?

WG

http://www.momsinsex.com/

netproperty · 09-12-2004, 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I have quite a few top rankings with PR0. marttali is right, PR is overrated these days. Especially with Google not doing an update in nearly 80 days now.

WG

I was wondering about that. I thought I missed one

I have a site that should go from 0 to 5 on the next update

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Killah
Okay to hit the nail on the head: How could or would you use a freehost with the structure username.freehostdomain.com/userpages.html to increase SE traffic to a dating website ? We have mullions of hits on our network and I was wondering how they could be used for SE optimization. I'd flip some coins for the one that helps us with this, since we have no SE-Guys in our team.

The hits is irrelevant, its the links and how you setup your pages/content that's important from a SE's perspective.

WG

marttali · 09-12-2004, 03:02 AM

Pr ensures u only frequent crawling and easier to exchange links.
Although it has its place in algo, its importance is like 2 - 10 % (maybe 0.5 % ) of the overall ranking criterea.

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 03:05 AM

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Originally posted by soukee
http://www.momsinsex.com/

Yeah, that's what I thought, seen quite a few people doing this spoof now. All the backlinks are those of Google.com, not the target domain: http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...insex%2Ecom%2F

WG

Killah · 09-12-2004, 03:08 AM

WiredGuy, drop me a line on icq please (436541)

Jan

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Killah
WiredGuy, drop me a line on icq please (436541)

Jan

I'm not a free consultant

WG

marttali · 09-12-2004, 03:10 AM

wonder how much he's making on ebay though, selling links to noobs who want PR ?

Theo · 09-12-2004, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
Pr ensures u only frequent crawling and easier to exchange links.
Although it has its place in algo, its importance is like 2 - 10 % (maybe 0.5 % ) of the overall ranking criterea.

you are very wrong on these numbers.

Killah · 09-12-2004, 03:13 AM

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Originally posted by WiredGuy
I'm not a free consultant
WG

It shall be rewarded...

marttali · 09-12-2004, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
you are very wrong on these numbers.

U work for google ?
The point was it's just a small piece in overall ranking

WiredGuy · 09-12-2004, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Killah
It shall be rewarded...

Tomorrow, I'm about to goto bed.
WG

Theo · 09-12-2004, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
U work for google ?
The point was it's just a small piece in overall ranking

I don't. Think of a middle traffic search term and search for it on google. Have a look on the first page results. Rarely you'll see pages with low PR, but very often you'll see pages with low keyword relevance, domains not matching the search terms etc. PR is by far the most important thing now.

marttali · 09-12-2004, 03:25 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
I don't. Think of a middle traffic search term and search for it on google. Have a look on the first page results. Rarely you'll see pages with low PR, but very often you'll see pages with low keyword relevance, domains not matching the search terms etc. PR is by far the most important thing now.

Hey there's no point in arguing in this matter, especially none of us works for the google therefore we dont know it. It's pure speculation. I m still saying links are much more important than pr.
(both of them - inbound and out)

netproperty · 09-12-2004, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
Hey there's no point in arguing in this matter, especially none of us works for the google therefore we dont know it. It's pure speculation. I m still saying links are much more important than pr.
(both of them - inbound and out)

Ive got pr5 sites with no traffic at all. I agree with you, pr isnt everything.

Trax · 09-12-2004, 03:35 AM

marttali: stop talking as if you have any idea what you're saying.
The PR10 example is the best proof for that lol

You are obviously a 100% clueless newbie.

Stop giving people wrong insights into something you don't understand yourself

{fusion} · 09-12-2004, 03:36 AM

you need relevant anchor text links coming from your network, like wired guy and S/R point out, its just about linking structure and how you use them with your anchors.

its very simple rules and formulas, the only thing you need to worry about is people reporting you, copying your pages and just causing trouble.

marttali · 09-12-2004, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
marttali: stop talking as if you have any idea what you're saying.
The PR10 example is the best proof for that lol

You are obviously a 100% clueless newbie.

Stop giving people wrong insights into something you don't understand yourself

And who are u, sir ?
I leave you with your opinion.

chupachups · 09-12-2004, 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
Pr ensures u only frequent crawling and easier to exchange links.
Although it has its place in algo, its importance is like 2 - 10 % (maybe 0.5 % ) of the overall ranking criterea.

Oh, how I wish that was true....

SEObot · 09-12-2004, 03:43 AM

Ok this is what you need to do. Spidering get your site hard linked on high pr sites the more the better. Your webpage must be of quality and not like the rest and keyword enriched. You try to cheat you wont last long search engines are not stupid so dont think your going to pull a fast one play it stright.

Trax · 09-12-2004, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by marttali
And who are u, sir ?

haha
I'm the one that knows that people who think sites like momsinsex.com are real PR10s have no fucking clue about SEO.

I could prove 90% of your points being wrong

Quote:

Why do you worry about PR ? It means shit, actually its the visitors that you want or am i wrong ?

Quote:

Pr ensures u only frequent crawling and easier to exchange links.
Although it has its place in algo, its importance is like 2 - 10 % (maybe 0.5 % ) of the overall ranking criterea.

I would really love to see you proof those numbers haha. Maybe we can get swami to tell you why this is complete bullshit

Quote:

Hey there's no point in arguing in this matter, especially none of us works for the google therefore we dont know it. It's pure speculation.

Pure speculation?

Wrong again

Please post more from your great SEO knowledge.

soukee · 09-12-2004, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by netproperty
the secret is at setiathome.

I don't want to hunt aliens, I want to have positions in Google:-)

Scootermuze · 09-12-2004, 05:28 AM

There was a test made awhile back where a site had no relevant keywords, but they put a number of text links on various sites and used the keywords in those links. The site ended up at the top of Google for those search words..

Go from there.......

EscortBiz · 09-12-2004, 06:38 AM

forget ip, if you got inbound links (quality) you dont have to worry

marttali · 09-12-2004, 06:56 AM

hey trax, where did you get the idea that i thought momsinsex is for real, u should read the post before u start accusing people.
i actually wondered howmuch could that someone owning that site could make on ebay selling textlinks to noobs who think pr is everything.

marttali · 09-12-2004, 06:58 AM

those numbers are taken straight from the ceiling, as i mentioned before - Pr is just a small piece in overall pie.

AdultNex · 09-12-2004, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scootermuze
There was a test made awhile back where a site had no relevant keywords, but they put a number of text links on various sites and used the keywords in those links. The site ended up at the top of Google for those search words..

Go from there.......

... Or you just could have said "anchor text" in links are important.

warlock5 · 09-12-2004, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scootermuze
There was a test made awhile back where a site had no relevant keywords, but they put a number of text links on various sites and used the keywords in those links. The site ended up at the top of Google for those search words..

Go from there.......

I remember one involving the white house's or george bushe's website. Can't remember the keywords..

crockett · 09-12-2004, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
I have quite a few top rankings with PR0. marttali is right, PR is overrated these days. Especially with Google not doing an update in nearly 80 days now.

WG

I just got bumped out of my number 1 position on a few terms by a guy using a bunch of spam pages. All the pages are pr0's and are new sites. Is this some kind of stealth program they are using to make fake SE pages for googlebots to see and people see the other page? Is this the reason for the PR0's?

VeriSexy · 09-12-2004, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Scootermuze
There was a test made awhile back where a site had no relevant keywords, but they put a number of text links on various sites and used the keywords in those links. The site ended up at the top of Google for those search words..

Go from there.......

Waffles

Trax · 09-12-2004, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crockett
I just got bumped out of my number 1 position on a few terms by a guy using a bunch of spam pages. All the pages are pr0's and are new sites. Is this some kind of stealth program they are using to make fake SE pages for googlebots to see and people see the other page? Is this the reason for the PR0's?

yes and no
the reason for the Pr0s might be that the indexed pages are very new (which is going to be the case i'd say)

there is no "stealth program"
what you are talking about is called cloaking

fr33pr0n · 09-12-2004, 09:59 AM

HAHHAHA - Wiredguy don't bother ICQing this german fucktard "killah" He is a scammer and if you see a fucking nickel from this shithole I would seriously crap my panties. All he wants is some free advice so he can run new spam campaigns anyhow.

Ask him about his old exit traffic program and why he never paid up!

chowda · 09-12-2004, 10:11 AM

i like buying quality backlinks.

crockett · 09-12-2004, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Trax
yes and no
the reason for the Pr0s might be that the indexed pages are very new (which is going to be the case i'd say)

there is no "stealth program"
what you are talking about is called cloaking

well stealth or cloaking it's the same meaning in my mind.. But your right the industry term is cloaking. I've seen programs that do this, that's why I was wondering if that's what would cause the pR0

09-12-2004, 02:23 AM	#1
Killah Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 161	Question for SE Gurus I have a technical question about the google spiders and the pagerank. Let's say you have a domain and 1000 subdomains for it. under each subdomain you will find real websites, all with different content and text, linked to internal and external pages. All subdomains and pages are on one IP. On each of the html pages under the subdomains you place a link to www.mysite.com at the bottom of the page and a link to a next randomly selected subdomain-page, so the spiders can run through the whole network. Would the page rank of www.mysite.com raise, since it's linked from thousands of html pages under these subdomains ?

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09-12-2004, 03:35 AM	#32
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	marttali: stop talking as if you have any idea what you're saying. The PR10 example is the best proof for that lol You are obviously a 100% clueless newbie. Stop giving people wrong insights into something you don't understand yourself Last edited by Trax; 09-12-2004 at 03:36 AM..

09-12-2004, 02:37 AM	#5
Killah Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 161	Okay, so the IP is the key to this all ? I can change a lot of stuff on the system if needed, but the IP would be pretty impossible.

09-12-2004, 02:52 AM	#8
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	exactly what wiredguy said.

09-12-2004, 02:54 AM	#9
marttali Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 265	Why do you worry about PR ? It means shit, actually its the visitors that you want or am i wrong ? Dont put them on the same ip, you most likely get penalized ! If you plan to put them on same ip, you gotta implement a way different linking structure, use your brain. And about PR - yeasterday i saw a pornsite with PR 10 - yes thats correct. It used the latest bug in algo and voila there it is - pr10 .But no traffic (or very low). So dont hunt PR, instead traffic and links !

09-12-2004, 02:59 AM	#13
marttali Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 265	spoofed, no i wount share it,we dont need the replicators.

09-12-2004, 03:00 AM	#15
Killah Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 161	Okay to hit the nail on the head: How could or would you use a freehost with the structure username.freehostdomain.com/userpages.html to increase SE traffic to a dating website ? We have mullions of hits on our network and I was wondering how they could be used for SE optimization. I'd flip some coins for the one that helps us with this, since we have no SE-Guys in our team.

09-12-2004, 03:02 AM	#20
marttali Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 265	Pr ensures u only frequent crawling and easier to exchange links. Although it has its place in algo, its importance is like 2 - 10 % (maybe 0.5 % ) of the overall ranking criterea.

09-12-2004, 03:08 AM	#22
Killah Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 161	WiredGuy, drop me a line on icq please (436541) Jan

09-12-2004, 03:10 AM	#24
marttali Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 265	wonder how much he's making on ebay though, selling links to noobs who want PR ?

09-12-2004, 03:36 AM	#33
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	you need relevant anchor text links coming from your network, like wired guy and S/R point out, its just about linking structure and how you use them with your anchors. its very simple rules and formulas, the only thing you need to worry about is people reporting you, copying your pages and just causing trouble.

09-12-2004, 03:43 AM	#36
SEObot So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 223	Ok this is what you need to do. Spidering get your site hard linked on high pr sites the more the better. Your webpage must be of quality and not like the rest and keyword enriched. You try to cheat you wont last long search engines are not stupid so dont think your going to pull a fast one play it stright.

09-12-2004, 05:28 AM	#39
Scootermuze Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 4,513	There was a test made awhile back where a site had no relevant keywords, but they put a number of text links on various sites and used the keywords in those links. The site ended up at the top of Google for those search words.. Go from there.......

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09-12-2004, 06:56 AM	#41
marttali Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 265	hey trax, where did you get the idea that i thought momsinsex is for real, u should read the post before u start accusing people. i actually wondered howmuch could that someone owning that site could make on ebay selling textlinks to noobs who think pr is everything.

09-12-2004, 06:58 AM	#42
marttali Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 265	those numbers are taken straight from the ceiling, as i mentioned before - Pr is just a small piece in overall pie.

09-12-2004, 09:59 AM	#48
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09-12-2004, 10:11 AM	#49
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