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Libertine 09-12-2004 04:34 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
I suck at math, I mean i don't remember what i learned in school anymore..BUT I remember that there were different opinions on it.

Let's look at it this way:

have you ever heard of black appearing like 50 times in a row?
No! It may have happened a few times in the history but chances are actually almost minimal that it will happen. So I tend to believe that while you're playing roulette, it is simply unlikely that on that particular day on that particular place black ( or red ) will appear an unusually high number of times in a row.
Ok, 4 may be still a little number, but let's make it 8. :)

I know what you are saying, once again, I am saying this with no theoreticla knowledge behind..just explaining my point of view, that is also the point of view of some other people.

You probaby also heard of people who put the money on black and if they not win, they simply double their bid, UNTIL they win.
It's one of the ( simplest ) strategies to play roulette I've read about.

But once again, I may be wrong, and when you will convince me that I am , I will gladly admit it and solve this problem once and for all in my mind :)

You're very, very wrong.

A simple example, flipping coins. 50% chance of heads, 3 repetitions:

The chance of getting heads 3 times in a row is:
0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 (or 12.5%)

The probability of getting the same result many times in a row is very small, not because the chance of heads somehow decreases but because any single ordered set of results is just one of many.

The possible outcomes on flipping coins 3 times are:

h-h-h (the one I mentioned - heads 3 times)
h-h-t
h-t-h
h-t-t
t-h-h
t-h-t
t-t-h
t-t-t

Every order is as likely as the others. Heads - tails - heads is just as likely as the others (also a 0.5*0.5*0.5) chance.

Getting black on a roulette table 40 times in a row is extremely unlikely. Not more unlikely, though, than getting black-red-black-red-black-red-etcetera for 40 times. Or getting black 39 times in a row and then getting red.

TheWildcard 09-12-2004 04:38 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
MAN IF YOU PLAY ONLINE DON'T!! Software is for sure programmed for that large amount of money always to lose
Nope I won some pretty big amounts of $ with online casinos before.

psyko514 09-12-2004 04:38 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
Getting black on a roulette table 40 times in a row is extremely unlikely. Not more unlikely, though, than getting black-red-black-red-black-red-etcetera for 40 times. Or getting black 39 times in a row and then getting red.
bingo.

basically, if there's an equal number of red and black numbers, you'll *always* have a 50/50 chance of getting red or black.

TheWildcard 09-12-2004 04:40 AM

Btw it's gonna be red.

Ar3s 09-12-2004 04:41 AM

:helpme dont play online!

Shoehorn! 09-12-2004 04:42 AM

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Originally posted by psyko514
bingo.

basically, if there's an equal number of red and black numbers, you'll *always* have a 50/50 chance of getting red or black.

Apparantly you guys don't know much about Roulette. It is not uncommon for a Roulette wheel to hit the same color dozens of times in a row. Ask anyone who plays the game often. Not only that, you don't have a 50/50 chance of hitting red or black, because there are two green spots, 0 and 00. :2 cents:

Libertine 09-12-2004 04:45 AM

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
Apparantly you guys don't know much about Roulette. It is not uncommon for a Roulette wheel to hit the same color dozens of times in a row. Ask anyone who plays the game often. Not only that, you don't have a 50/50 chance of hitting red or black, because there are two green spots, 0 and 00. :2 cents:
If a roulette wheel hits the same number dozens of times in a row, that is probably because it's flawed as a random number generator.

As for the 0 and 00... these were examples explaining chance, something which goes a lot easier with simple examples.

Shoehorn! 09-12-2004 04:51 AM

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Originally posted by punkworld
If a roulette wheel hits the same number dozens of times in a row, that is probably because it's flawed as a random number generator.

As for the 0 and 00... these were examples explaining chance, something which goes a lot easier with simple examples.

A roulette wheel isn't a random number generator. In fact, if you ask any mathematician or computer guru, they will tell you that there is no such thing as a random number generator, it's impossible. And the "ohh, it's hit black 10 times in a row, it'll hit red next" is a classic mistake of people who are new to roulette. If you don't believe me, consult any gambling book or avid gambler.

Abyss_Vee 09-12-2004 04:54 AM

lol whatever u do,, dont play craps

Libertine 09-12-2004 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
A roulette wheel isn't a random number generator. In fact, if you ask any mathematician or computer guru, they will tell you that there is no such thing as a random number generator, it's impossible.
There are tons of random number generators. They're just all flawed to some degree... some more than others.

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Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
And the "ohh, it's hit black 10 times in a row, it'll hit red next" is a classic mistake of people who are new to roulette. If you don't believe me, consult any gambling book or avid gambler.
Why would I consult a gambling book when I just explained in detail how the idea that after 10 times red it will hit black is mathematically erroneous?

woj 09-12-2004 04:56 AM

50 stupid bets...

Jakke PNG 09-12-2004 04:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
You're very, very wrong.

A simple example, flipping coins. 50% chance of heads, 3 repetitions:

The chance of getting heads 3 times in a row is:
0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 (or 12.5%)

The probability of getting the same result many times in a row is very small, not because the chance of heads somehow decreases but because any single ordered set of results is just one of many.

The possible outcomes on flipping coins 3 times are:

h-h-h (the one I mentioned - heads 3 times)
h-h-t
h-t-h
h-t-t
t-h-h
t-h-t
t-t-h
t-t-t

Every order is as likely as the others. Heads - tails - heads is just as likely as the others (also a 0.5*0.5*0.5) chance.

Getting black on a roulette table 40 times in a row is extremely unlikely. Not more unlikely, though, than getting black-red-black-red-black-red-etcetera for 40 times. Or getting black 39 times in a row and then getting red.

yes.

Lykos 09-12-2004 05:06 AM

Damn,that's risky,good luck :thumbsup

Tipsy 09-12-2004 06:09 AM

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Originally posted by bluff
Sure, if you can calculate the spin etc, it might be profitable.
As you probably know that's been done and was a very, very clever bit of kit.

The problem is people want to believe there's 'systems' that work for games of chance. All the while they do people will happily feed them crap about how you can make 1000's and how the laws of probability can be ignored because their system really works. But then there's also penis pills that'll make your cock 6 inches longer :D

That said - there are systems that would work over a big enough period of time but unfortunately not in the real world. When the bets start getting into the $billions+ it gets a tad unrealistic :)

SomeCreep 09-12-2004 06:10 AM

so did it land on black?

Preacher 09-12-2004 06:14 AM

I hate gambling.... good luck to you though! :winkwink:

polish_aristocrat 09-12-2004 01:50 PM

Ok, looks I was wrong, so I admit it :)

At least I learned something new.


BTW DatingGold, did you really put $10k on black? Did you win? :winkwink:

Project-Shadow 09-12-2004 01:55 PM

So.. what happened?

Nicky 09-12-2004 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
You're very, very wrong.

A simple example, flipping coins. 50% chance of heads, 3 repetitions:

The chance of getting heads 3 times in a row is:
0.5*0.5*0.5 = 0.125 (or 12.5%)

The probability of getting the same result many times in a row is very small, not because the chance of heads somehow decreases but because any single ordered set of results is just one of many.

The possible outcomes on flipping coins 3 times are:

h-h-h (the one I mentioned - heads 3 times)
h-h-t
h-t-h
h-t-t
t-h-h
t-h-t
t-t-h
t-t-t

Every order is as likely as the others. Heads - tails - heads is just as likely as the others (also a 0.5*0.5*0.5) chance.

Getting black on a roulette table 40 times in a row is extremely unlikely. Not more unlikely, though, than getting black-red-black-red-black-red-etcetera for 40 times. Or getting black 39 times in a row and then getting red.

also you must take in consideration that the probabilites change and get bigger for everytime the same color come up.

Platinumpimp 09-12-2004 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by Project-Shadow
So.. what happened?
He lost :evil-laug

Morgan 09-12-2004 02:18 PM

did he really lose it? that's a bummer.

Steen2 09-12-2004 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
A roulette wheel isn't a random number generator. In fact, if you ask any mathematician or computer guru, they will tell you that there is no such thing as a random number generator, it's impossible. And the "ohh, it's hit black 10 times in a row, it'll hit red next" is a classic mistake of people who are new to roulette. If you don't believe me, consult any gambling book or avid gambler.
:winkwink:

SmokeyTheBear 09-12-2004 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
he pays to have a bigger sig.
see sig rules

dig420 09-12-2004 02:27 PM

if he won, he'd be back here by now

probably face down on the bed crying

dig420 09-12-2004 02:30 PM

I used to play 9-ball for $$, but I rarely gambled. Risking your money in casinos just isn't worth it. If you hang around a pool hall for a while, you'll always find someone willing to bet 10k on a flip of a coin and your odds will be TRULY 50-50. It's a better way to go.

SmokeyTheBear 09-12-2004 02:31 PM

I will double or nothing the 10k you lost ...

Lensman will flip a coin and call the winner .. deal ??

TheWildcard 09-12-2004 02:34 PM

he won he's partying now

dig420 09-12-2004 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheWildcard
he won he's partying now
hope so

Shoehorn! 09-12-2004 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
There are tons of random number generators. They're just all flawed to some degree... some more than others.



Why would I consult a gambling book when I just explained in detail how the idea that after 10 times red it will hit black is mathematically erroneous?

Alright, I am not going to argue with you, because you don't know what you are talking about. There is no such thing as a random number generator, and heres why, numbers are infinite, say you program software to generate a "random number", it would only be able to generate a number that is a certain length, or within a certain range. For example, generating numbers that have no decimal places isn't a random number, it's only generating whole numbers. 8974857347509349059203523423.823759823780947230570 92470985983470598703945690837409856730947560983749 08567309476982347895632948657893470985673940875609 83247908563740985670983470985673409867094257609824 750986790824576908754098679084357069827409856 is a numnber that would never be generated. Another example, in the 80s, a group of scientists tried computing the exact number for Pi, they had to quit after the they printed over 30 pages of the exact number. 30 fucking pages of numbers on 8.5x11 sheets of paper. So 3.320720957902375092959023487902379047092379047920 345 whatever times 30 pieces of paper, and counting. As for your second paragraph, you didn't explain anything in detail, and even if you did it wouldn't be right.

BradM 09-12-2004 02:58 PM

He's most likely passed out from getting so shitfaces because he lost that he will wake up in 2 days in a pool of his own fluids and then drive home.

Goose 09-12-2004 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by abyss_al
good luck...i would put it on 00 on the table that hasnt gotten it yet :thumbsup
abyss: this butt in ur sig just rocks... :thumbsup

aflex 09-12-2004 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Abyss_Vee
lol whatever u do,, dont play craps
why? craps is the best fucking game! :)

Ross 09-12-2004 04:14 PM

Did he win??

railz 09-12-2004 04:19 PM

I'll just toss my :2 cents: here

Random numbers generated via a computer are not truely random. In fact, there was a news article on Slashdot that has got online casinos and poker rooms kinda worried - a group of researchers have developed a technique that can predict seeded random numbers from a PRNG.

The "P" in that acryonmn is very important, btw :)

railz 09-12-2004 04:20 PM

Oh, one more thing:

Red/Black is not a 50/50 bet in case you didn't know.

In Europe there's a single zero. In America (which uses a modified French Roulette wheel), you have zero and double zero.

Red/Black on an American wheel is one of the worst bets you can ever make in a casino.

WickedVenus 09-12-2004 04:23 PM

anyone know if he won or lost yet?

SkyRunner 09-12-2004 04:24 PM

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Originally posted by railz
Oh, one more thing:

Red/Black is not a 50/50 bet in case you didn't know.

In Europe there's a single zero. In America (which uses a modified French Roulette wheel), you have zero and double zero.

Actually, there are a few casinos, that offer single-zero roulette also in America. The Stratosphere in Las Vegas for example. There are both versions but the last time I was there, there were more people playing the double-zero game (same betting conditions) than the single-zero game... :1orglaugh

NoCarrier 09-12-2004 04:29 PM

WTF?! HE NEVER SAID IT WAS ROULETTE. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT A BLACK TRANNY HE MET YESTERDAY. HE'S ASKING 10k FOR AN HOUR.

Tipsy 09-12-2004 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by SkyRunner
Actually, there are a few casinos, that offer single-zero roulette also in America. The Stratosphere in Las Vegas for example. There are both versions but the last time I was there, there were more people playing the double-zero game (same betting conditions) than the single-zero game... :1orglaugh
It's a bit like the idiots splitting more than one chip - even worse the ones that split 4+ chips four ways. It should be very obvious, even to those a little simple, that the odds are FAR better sticking to single numbers. The only time you should split is if table stakes are so high that you don't want to bet a whole chip on a single number.

You can't win long term at roulette so you may as well at least give yourself a fighting chance of making a profit now and again.

railz 09-12-2004 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SkyRunner
Actually, there are a few casinos, that offer single-zero roulette also in America. The Stratosphere in Las Vegas for example. There are both versions but the last time I was there, there were more people playing the double-zero game (same betting conditions) than the single-zero game... :1orglaugh
hehehehe :)

I honestly can't stand to even put buck on roulette now having dealt it. I'd rather put that dollar in a slot (and that's saying something for me).


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