i do act professional when i am delt with on a personal level. and you know i do. anyone who deals with me 1 on 1 can say the same

That's beside the point. In fact, that's not even close to the point. All I'm saying is, don't sling shit and then sit there like a dew worm wondering why you're getting shit slung back at you.


it ain't rocket science.


Look at your partner, having to come on this thread and express concern about people shedding your program in a negative light. Doesn't that just suck? I told you a long time ago that you should just get your stupid ass off the boards and hire someone to handle all of your board promo representation for you. Someone with a clean professional attractive personality who knows how to draw new people to a program without alienating 50% of the known universe. Obviously you like being covered in shit though.

can you make a single statemnt without tossing shit a tme?

I dont think you can. when i reply to you, do i in every post throw a dig in at you? no i do not.

I would answer you with an honest answer, but you just ruin it when you insult me. wtf do you expect?

Funny, that's exactly the point I was trying to get through your head. People don't like being insulted. They especially don't like sending traffic to some asshole who is insulting them or poeple they like.

It's...it's like I'm talking to a child here. Trey... I know you're in there. Force your mind to comprehend what I'm telling you. You represent your company. How can you expect to act like a pindick all day and have epictrash come out smelling all rosy 'n such?

now you are just being an idiot.. im done with you for the night.. i have other threads to spam

peace loser

Whatever. This is GFY, you either get it, or you don't.


I'm the one who's off to bed here. And when I say I'm off to bed, it means now, not 3 hours from now.


Thanks for the laughs all.

Don't you just hate it when people try and force their beliefs, morals and ethics on other people?

I sure do :glugglug

epic is the worst :2 cents:

I wonder what the daytime crowd thinks?

We think you're a retard :glugglug

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Hows those trips to the shrink doing? still thinking about killing yourself?

Okay you've completely lost it here. Where am I trying to do any of that to anyone here? helloo? I was simply telling the asstard that he can't expect to have his cake and eat it too, as in you can't talk shit at everyone like a jackass and expect to have zero repercussions.

You meatheads come on threads like this because you want to defend your company. Thing is, you wouldn't have to defend it at all if mister Hickeypants didn't bring it down on you. Ever heard the term "you reap what you sow"? It certainly seems to ring true in this case.

So.... according to the poll more people would promote pibcash who were caught redhanded shaving, than epiccash whose only fault (as far as I know) is a trolling co-owner?

You people are a riot!:1orglaugh

Of this list... or any other that PIB is on, my vote will always be for them, so finally they win at SOMETHING......... LMAO

PerfectionGirls is at LEAST trying to make up for past mistakes from what I have seen, so everyone deserves a second chance.... :)

Epic, never have dealt with him/them on any level or even spoken to any of them. BUT word of mouth tells me they do convert and do pay, mind you, his style of marketing isn't MY style or what I am into personally, he freaks me out more times than not, but if he pays and is honest and his sites convert, who cares? I don't use them simply because I don't think it is ever right to cuss clients out or put them down, but then again, this is HIS style, and if it works for him, then so be it.... and you know it when you signup with him, so you pretty much are getting what you get with him. Trey, I mean nothing good or bad here about you or Epic, just my own personal observations. :)

The other one I have never had any dealings with or really ever even heard of, so can't make an opinion there.

You're constantly telling Trey how to run his marketing tactics. You disagree with them, therefore you think Trey should listen to you, because apparently you're a marketing God and you know how to run a successful affiliate program.

Sure, we reap what we sow. But if it didn't work for us, why would we keep doing it? I don't mind defending our program at all. Time in, time out, my defense of Epic Cash has reaped more affiliates for me.

You wanna talk reprecussions? We fully expect people to talk shit about us as people when we talk shit about them as people. But that's not what's happening here. I think you're the one who has lost it. What we're seeing is a whole bunch of bandwagon jumpers insulting Epic Cash simply because we called some people some names.

CDSmith, by no definition am I stupid. And if Epic Cash wasn't a solid, honest, reputable program that made money for our team and our affiliates, I wouldn't be working for it.

You don't like Trey's attitude or marketing tactics? You're more than welcome to put him on ignore. Otherwise, you're simply a shit disturber like he is.

is that what they rteach in college now as markting tacticts?

and calling people some names is not what he did.

lying about people and companies is what he did/does

How could any possible affiliates believe anything he says?

or you now for that matter given you opinions you have voiced, that this is an acceptable methiod of marketing.

is that what they rteach in college now as markting tacticts?

and calling people some names is not what he did.

lying about people and companies is what he did/does

How could any possible affiliates believe anything he says?

or you now for that matter given you opinions you have voiced, that this is an acceptable methiod of marketing.

because our affiliates are smart enough to look past the board bullshit. our program is rock solid and honest. i challenge you to find something wrong with EPIC CASH. not Trey or myself or media or anyone else. find a flaw with EPIC CASH. you can't. you won't.

we convert amazingly, we've got incredible marketing tools, we've got several incredible sites with multiple tours in tons of niches. we've got hundreds of hosted galleries. we've got great payouts. we've never been late with a payment.

so find something wrong with us.

as for our marketing methods, i don't give a fuck if you or CDSmith or anyone else deems them acceptable or not. they work for us and that's the bottom line.

I am not going to defend anyone as none of this really has anything to do with me but...

I think you have missed the point of this thread entirely. What the poll shows is that by Trey representing himself the way he does on these boards, it does effect what people think of the company. I mean, you have a guy saying, "Yeah JoesHo is a sex offender and I have proof" one second and then "No we are rock solid and would never shave" in the same breath. If you guys are making bank...super. That's great. All I am saying is that whether the boards matter to you guys or not...apparently they matter to the people voting. And this is an anonymous poll so you have tons of people voting that haven't even posted in this thread. Who knows who voted what. If his marketing techniques work for you guys then that's great, but he shouldn't expect to start 20 threads about someone being a pedo or sex offender and then not expect them to take that seriously. Hell, I don't know many people that that kind of claim would not piss off. Whether he was playing or not. You have n00bs and people who don't frequent the boards coming here daily that see that and as an end result, their opinion of Remote Thumbs or JoesHo is swayed and he may lose business. If it were my company, and people were casting more votes for my attitude than they were for a company that was caught red handed shaving their affiliates, I would definitely rethink my marketing technique. But like I said, if you guys are making money then I guess there is nothing to worry about.

Joesho, you always this big a crybaby? Run along and change your diaper.

There is nothing to worry about. Smart people will see exactly what happened in this poll.

And tell me something, Nick. Put your friendship with Joesho aside for a second and answer this question honestly.

Which one of these actions would bother/upset you more?

A: I promise to make good on threats of literally beating the shit out of you, your friends and your family at the first chance I get.

or

B: I start a thread on a forum with baseless allegations about you being a child molestor.

Be 100% honest.

Wrong again chumbly.

I'm not agreeing with the results of this poll at all. Of course it's one-sided and obviously is simply a message that a lot of webmasters simply don't like Trey, period. If you don't like this kind of backlash and think it's unfair then do something about it. As in, clean up the asshole act. Sitting here bickering about it isn't going to prevent it from further happening. You know as well as I do how GFY is.

And I am one of about 500 voices who have been telling Trey to clean up his act, but basically I don't give a shit whether he does or doesn't or dries up and blows dust out his ass. My ONLY point on this thread, which you still seem to not be able to wrap your head around, is that no one can expect to talk shit about so many good honest webmasters over the past 2 years and then justifiably act all indignant and defensive because their program is being attacked. To do so makes you look foolish.

Bottom line is that I won't send hits to a program run by a guy like Trey. He has posted outright lies about me too many times, there is no way in hell I or many of my fellow webmasters will trust him with hard-earned traffic. Will anyone who has half a brain send their hits to any of the other three programs in the poll? I wouldn't think so.

Anyone with a single working brain cell should also know that Joeshmo is simply including epictrash in order to slam trey in a petty way. But it doesn't surprise me, because Trey brings this kind of petty shit on himself. You know it. I know it. How long it continues is up to Trey.

You're absolutely right. And nothing you or I or a Joesho poll can say will change that, so we're simply wasting out time writing out paragraphs to each other.

Make no mistake, I respect you and I think you're fucking hilarious.

B. And here is why. If I run my mouth, I have every intention if things were ever to come to blows to back myself up. If I can't beat you, I will find a chair and do my best to beat you to death with it. It's as simple as that. Getting my ass kicked is not something that affects my bottom line.

Being accused in an adult webmasters forum, even if it is a place like this that should never be taken seriously, of being a child molestor is something I cannot defend and may have a good chance of indeed affecting my bottom line. All I have in that case is my word. Now if some new guy is coming on the boards for the first time, and he sees some bigshot program owner calling me a pedo, what's he gonna believe? He doesn't know anything about how this place works. He doesn't know that Trey is just "talking trash". He is gonna consider the source and say to himself, "well this guy has his own program so he MUST be standup, I don't think I will do any business with Nick". This has nothing to do with my friendship with Joe. I see Trey making fucked up accusations about the mans homelife and I simply said that if he is gonna make accusations like that then he should expect a little flack for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

By the way.... what is the deal with #4 Quickbuck? I don't recall what their malfunction is/was.

Anyone?

Aside from being run by idiots who got banned from GFY and whose employees go into drunken rages at conventions and throw chairs off balconies and then claim they blacked out? I think there were also some serious spyware issues.

Nick, I guess you and I disagree on that. I've had lots of negative threads started about me. Have you seen em? Nope, cause they're buried on page 296 and page 489 of this forum.

Why are they buried? Because I knew they were bullshit, so instead of arguing and making a big stinkfest about them, I ignored them. If I know they're bullshit, it doesn't matter to me what anyone else thinks. And if I know they're bullshit, I have no need to argue my side. And if someone decided not to do business with me because of them, that would be their loss.

But if Joesho pounds the crap out of me, which he easily could do at any convention which I attend, the scars will last forever. Running your mouth on a message forum is no reason to have your ass kicked. We're not in high school anymore.