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Sarah_Jayne 09-08-2004 05:45 PM
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Originally posted by GatorB
Do you LIVE in Alerica?
where?

dready 09-08-2004 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by 4Pics
Looks like the 2257 will go in effect as it was outlined in 2 weeks.
You heard this where? lol

martyVP 09-08-2004 06:00 PM
I still can't understand when the Government is going to require what exactly!!

BigPinPin 09-08-2004 06:02 PM
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There are a lot of "I'm outside the US so I'm okay" comments...

If you sell to US customers you become subject to US law. And it happens that Canada and several European countries have reciprocal arrangements with the US to help with cross-border prosecutions
Aha, and if a norwegian surfer signs up i must arrange with their law ??
And..if a chinese surfer signs up, i spend my life in prison ?
And if a Swiss Surfer Signs up on my bondage Page, i must arrange with swiss law ???

Sorry, but i canīt believe this shit........that i have to take care what i sell how to US Surfers, because they have other laws now....Itīs called INTERnet and not USnet

Imageauction 09-08-2004 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Validus
The legal text which can be found on http://www.2257.com is it the one with the recent changes?

It has not been updated to reflect the Protect Act changes but it does have a link so you can read what those changes are.

Be sure to take the survey at http://www.2257.com/survey while you're there.

GatorB 09-08-2004 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by martyVP
I still can't understand when the Government is going to require what exactly!!
If you have hardcore pics actually even showing pink is considered ahrdcore. You must have both on your webpage and in PHYSICAL form the info of the models in your pics, that includes things like banners that have hardcore images. You need to have their real name, age address, SS etc to prove to the government that they are indeed 18 or older. You also must show EVERY url that model is on. You also must make you record available for government inspect ANYTIME between 8 AM and 6 PM EVERY day of the year.

yes I know there is more detail. I'm just giving the Cliff Notes version of it.

Anna_O 09-08-2004 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
The hosting provider is not responsible or liable for 2257 violations.

Where hosting does matter (and not size) goes towards the issue of jurisdiction.

If the website is hosted with a provider within the US, the DOJ can make the hosting provider shutdown your website if they are not able to track you down to answer their 2257 inquiries.


-brandon
Thanks brandon, that's what I suspected... Sounds like it's time to move all our sites to Europe then :winkwink:

GatorB 09-08-2004 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Current 2257 requirements to keep records are not terribly burdensome if you keep good records and make a point to document each time you add new content.

but the problem is human nature, to slack on documentation or complete ignorance of the what to do.

2257 statue has been a law for almost a decade and the requirements to be able to track and document your images is already in place.

The proposed 2257 changes made things harder, but the current 2257 statue is still very much applicable, despite the new changes.


-brandon
Please this law is for one thign and one thing only. TO SHUT PORN DOWN. No it won't do that but tellthat to the DOJ. If this was really for the models own safety, then how come when asked about the fact this law could be used by a stalker as a way to obtain info on a model and there she could be raped or killed a representative of the DOJ said "We don't care!"

Sarah_Jayne 09-09-2004 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by GatorB
Please this law is for one thign and one thing only. TO SHUT PORN DOWN. No it won't do that but tellthat to the DOJ. If this was really for the models own safety, then how come when asked about the fact this law could be used by a stalker as a way to obtain info on a model and there she could be raped or killed a representative of the DOJ said "We don't care!"
isn't Brandon the one that passed on that comment in the first place? I am loving the way things become myth and legends with this so fast.

Anyway, I did talk to a UK lawyer a few weeks ago but I need to talk to a US based one with more specific knowledge on the issue. I've never hired a US lawyer..what costs am I looking at for one of the adult law folks i've seen around?

pradaboy 09-09-2004 03:36 AM
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Originally posted by jayeff
There are a lot of "I'm outside the US so I'm okay" comments...

If you sell to US customers you become subject to US law. And it happens that Canada and several European countries have reciprocal arrangements with the US to help with cross-border prosecutions. I'm not suggesting that the risk of such prosecutions is high: I'm just trying to set the record straight and cut down on some of the misinformation this topic is generating.

And when people talk about what this court or that may one day uphold, they are forgetting that the majority don't have the resources to go that route. If the DOJ decide to go after easy targets - and they will surely go after someone because Congress won't accept the excuse a second time that the laws weren't adequate - it could be a long time before the niceties of the law are put to a serious test.

Until those issues are resolved, even if the odds of any one of us being prosecuted are tiny, those who are prosecuted face some serious expense at best and imprisonment at worst.

That is why my main concern is the unwillingness of many content producers to release uncensored model details. I understand all the reasons for this, and they may even be right that if someone (with sufficient resources) runs with this issue, such records may eventually be considered adequate. But how many webmasters can afford the risk that they will be one of the test cases?
Doesn't anyone find it funny that the 2257 reg is actually in contrary to EU laws? That I (as EU webmaster) keeping such 2257 records could actually get arrested for it because it's against EU laws?

Now isn't that confusing?

pradaboy 09-09-2004 03:39 AM
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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
sell to only EU webmasters?

see above post...

goBigtime 09-09-2004 03:42 AM
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Originally posted by PiksalDesign
Why all the hype about 2257.

I must have missed something.

(like missing a train while standing ON the track, yes) :(

Well... it just basically means that since you're in this industry, in the states, and haven't heard about the new 2257 regs until now -- that you are probably going to do a little time.


I swear 2005 is going to be pure insanity on so many fronts. :2 cents:

goBigtime 09-09-2004 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyf

do you people really think they want 2 put some little piss' e assed porn peddler in jail.
All of "they" ? ... hmm probably no. I'm sure a lot of them like their porn as much as the next guy.


This guy?....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/178500...tatue300ap.jpg

Umm.. yeah.


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