100 2257 updates...

100 IDS

Damn Woj beat me to it.

we fucked yet?
Just checking, going back to the back seat again.

That's exactly my point. There are TONS of sites out there that have licensed DVD content from a publisher which they got from distributors, not the publishers. The publishers basically allowed these distributors to license or 'broker' their dvds. And since as you said the distributor is not required to hold the 2257 documents, it is up to the site owners to get them from each and every publisher. And as you said, good luck getting those documents from the publisher.

Here is a practical example..

http://onlymovies.net/nopop/main.html

This is our 'archive' movie site. All the content we acquired thru legal licensing agreements which we paid for. But, unless the distributor gets the 2257 documents for us and other customers, sites like this are basically screwed if they can't acquire the documents..

The legal text which can be found on http://www.2257.com, is it the one with the recent changes?

I am sure this link is on 2257.com but here it is anyways.
http://my.execpc.com/~xxxlaw/2257Table.htm

It is a side by side comparrison.

might not be right for you, but I remember hearing on a radio show about http://www.keepmyrecords.com

I'm not affiliated w/ them and do not currently use them, but i am considering it. good luck.

Very nice, thank you!

I sale fake 2257 documents. :Graucho

http://www.Russian2257Fakes.com

There are a lot of "I'm outside the US so I'm okay" comments...

If you sell to US customers you become subject to US law. And it happens that Canada and several European countries have reciprocal arrangements with the US to help with cross-border prosecutions. I'm not suggesting that the risk of such prosecutions is high: I'm just trying to set the record straight and cut down on some of the misinformation this topic is generating.

And when people talk about what this court or that may one day uphold, they are forgetting that the majority don't have the resources to go that route. If the DOJ decide to go after easy targets - and they will surely go after someone because Congress won't accept the excuse a second time that the laws weren't adequate - it could be a long time before the niceties of the law are put to a serious test.

Until those issues are resolved, even if the odds of any one of us being prosecuted are tiny, those who are prosecuted face some serious expense at best and imprisonment at worst.

That is why my main concern is the unwillingness of many content producers to release uncensored model details. I understand all the reasons for this, and they may even be right that if someone (with sufficient resources) runs with this issue, such records may eventually be considered adequate. But how many webmasters can afford the risk that they will be one of the test cases?

You know how I know that I spend too much time on the boards? I'll tell you. I had a dream last night that some webmaster had some guy in China join his site. Now, since he was selling to a guy in China he was now subject to Chinese law even though he was in the US. Subject to Chinese law for selling porn sites he was put to death. Interesting drem.

yeah, I prorbably could tell someone where I bought each pic within about an hour but for me that isn't good enough because I need to make myself the spredsheet but I want to do it with all the information I am going to need. The last thing I want to do is go through this hellish process twice because I did it wrong the first time. I really do doubt I am going to be able to find every site I ever put out there. For one thing, I have been doing galleries and sites since 1998. At the start they were on free hosts, etc. So, that scares me a bit since if by some fluke one of those still is out there I won't have access to it. There is also those programs that helped with tgp submission by making you 100s of copies of your galleries. I mean, I have no clue how many of those are out ther but I will do my best.

I am more worried about some of the content I have from suppliers that have gone out of buisness. I have tracked down other suppliers that sell the same content is most cases so if I have to rebuy some of it afterwards to get the details then I guess I will have to if it is at all important content. However, on that I am going to wait for the final version to have better weight to get what ID I need from the supplier.

I will no doubt use your service at some point because some of the suppliers I have used are on there but there are still a ton that aren't and especially those that have stopped selling.

There is a part of the proposed 2257 about only applying to newly published images (after the effective date of the changes going into effect).

This would mean that you wouldn't have to go back to all of your content to get whatever is required for full 2257 compliance.

The issue would be to be able to prove that the content was acquired and "published" to your website prior to the effective date.

An area of debatable interpretation on the date of publishing could be that every page a surfer views is "published", therefore you would have to have documentation for every image.

There are many different legal opinions floating around, so it does get to be confusing and there aren't any hard facts (ie. prosecutions).

The safest approach, as with any law, is to abide by the law by best efforts. Be able to demonstrate that you are trying to comply with the law. Doing nothing will surely get you less sympathy in front of a judge since 2257 Recordkeeping Statue has been on a law for a decade.

And as the saying goes "ignorance of the law is no excuse", especially in a courtroom.

This might mean that webmasters have to make the hard business decision of throwing out content that can't be documented (either by date of license/purchase, whether it has atleast blackened out Model ID, etc).

Content Producers are in the same boat if the Model ID that they got from the model doesn't include a US driver's license or a passport. Some will have to toss out their content and if they are participating in 2257lookup, then we can let the webmaster know which sets need to come down.




-brandon

Bullshit.

If you don't have anything interresting to say, why don't you shut up ?

I host, buy content and process in the EU :Graucho

sell to only EU webmasters?

Samething here....

Just wanted to thank Brandon, Sarah and everyone else who provided some good input and insight..

You sound like the Borg.

Are YOU American? Do you LIVE in Alerica? Do you have your porn money in an AMERICAN bank account?

where?

You heard this where? lol

I still can't understand when the Government is going to require what exactly!!

Aha, and if a norwegian surfer signs up i must arrange with their law ??
And..if a chinese surfer signs up, i spend my life in prison ?
And if a Swiss Surfer Signs up on my bondage Page, i must arrange with swiss law ???

Sorry, but i can´t believe this shit........that i have to take care what i sell how to US Surfers, because they have other laws now....It´s called INTERnet and not USnet

It has not been updated to reflect the Protect Act changes but it does have a link so you can read what those changes are.

Be sure to take the survey at http://www.2257.com/survey while you're there.

If you have hardcore pics actually even showing pink is considered ahrdcore. You must have both on your webpage and in PHYSICAL form the info of the models in your pics, that includes things like banners that have hardcore images. You need to have their real name, age address, SS etc to prove to the government that they are indeed 18 or older. You also must show EVERY url that model is on. You also must make you record available for government inspect ANYTIME between 8 AM and 6 PM EVERY day of the year.

yes I know there is more detail. I'm just giving the Cliff Notes version of it.

Thanks brandon, that's what I suspected... Sounds like it's time to move all our sites to Europe then :winkwink:

Please this law is for one thign and one thing only. TO SHUT PORN DOWN. No it won't do that but tellthat to the DOJ. If this was really for the models own safety, then how come when asked about the fact this law could be used by a stalker as a way to obtain info on a model and there she could be raped or killed a representative of the DOJ said "We don't care!"

isn't Brandon the one that passed on that comment in the first place? I am loving the way things become myth and legends with this so fast.

Anyway, I did talk to a UK lawyer a few weeks ago but I need to talk to a US based one with more specific knowledge on the issue. I've never hired a US lawyer..what costs am I looking at for one of the adult law folks i've seen around?

Doesn't anyone find it funny that the 2257 reg is actually in contrary to EU laws? That I (as EU webmaster) keeping such 2257 records could actually get arrested for it because it's against EU laws?

Now isn't that confusing?

see above post...

Well... it just basically means that since you're in this industry, in the states, and haven't heard about the new 2257 regs until now -- that you are probably going to do a little time.


I swear 2005 is going to be pure insanity on so many fronts. :2 cents:

All of "they" ? ... hmm probably no. I'm sure a lot of them like their porn as much as the next guy.


This guy?....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/178500...tatue300ap.jpg

Umm.. yeah.