What sponsors are REDIRECTING hosted galleries? - GoFuckYourself.com

justsexxx · 09-06-2004, 04:08 AM

I need a list of sponsors that REDIRECT some countries on their hosted galleries.

I read on AWI that stupidcash is doing this for example. Since around 30% of my joins are coming from Europe, I need to know what other sponsors do this, so I can filter those out

Andre

NickB. · 09-06-2004, 04:16 AM

there are companies who do that for sure!

This is how they work:

For example I sign up at a program, filling in I'm from Holland, they white list Holland from a popupdialer/ redirecting so I will "never" find out.

I will not name programs on the board before talking to them about it.

What I would recommend is: Ask a german webmaster to click some gallery listings once in a while, you'll be suprised

justsexxx · 09-06-2004, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nickbaauw
there are companies who do that for sure!

This is how they work:

For example I sign up at a program, filling in I'm from Holland, they white list Holland from a popupdialer/ redirecting so I will "never" find out.

I will not name programs on the board before talking to them about it.

What I would recommend is: Ask a german webmaster to click some gallery listings once in a while, you'll be suprised

Yeah it sucks, I know :-(

Any change you can email me these sponsors privatly?

andre@justsexxx DOT net Of course I will keep it private as well.

Andre

TheSwed · 09-06-2004, 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by nickbaauw
there are companies who do that for sure!

This is how they work:

For example I sign up at a program, filling in I'm from Holland, they white list Holland from a popupdialer/ redirecting so I will "never" find out.

I will not name programs on the board before talking to them about it.

What I would recommend is: Ask a german webmaster to click some gallery listings once in a while, you'll be suprised

Interesting info, thats why everything looks good when you check by your self

johndoebob · 09-06-2004, 04:59 AM

justsexxx, those who redirect every non north american join page hit to dialers are most likely to do that.

Join page redirecters are: Slick Cash, Stupid Cash, Porn Kings

They seem to be too lazy to get a proper billing solution for european users.

TDF · 09-06-2004, 05:02 AM

actually with stupidcash you do get paid on foreign traffic via dialer

justsexxx · 09-06-2004, 05:04 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
actually with stupidcash you do get paid on foreign traffic via dialer

Okay that is a good thing indeed. But do you REDIRECT hits on HOSTED galleries?

Andre

justsexxx · 09-06-2004, 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
justsexxx, those who redirect every non north american join page hit to dialers are most likely to do that.

Join page redirecters are: Slick Cash, Stupid Cash, Porn Kings

They seem to be too lazy to get a proper billing solution for european users.

Thanks, strange btw, because ccbill and ibill do pretty well with NON north US traffic for me

Andre

rowan · 09-06-2004, 05:15 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
actually with stupidcash you do get paid on foreign traffic via dialer

What about these guys who are redirected off to other sites like sexmoney and blackpussies.tv ?

http://bbs.adultwebmasterinfo.com/sh...t=stupidc ash

ldinternet · 09-06-2004, 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
actually with stupidcash you do get paid on foreign traffic via dialer

Europeans have credit cards and debit cards, also broadband is widespread and the number of broadband users is increasing all the time. Though nobody can really complain because they are getting paid on that dialer revenue, I know that many informed webmasters would prefer their European traffic to be offered credit card access.

Dialers should never be used for west European surfers unless the program can't afford PPS for all signups - i.e. if their rebills, consoles and upsells hardly cover PPS for north American signups alone, they need the 50/50 dialer revenue from European traffic in order to make a decent profit and keep the program going.

The simple truth is that if a PPS model works with American traffic but doesn't work with western European traffic, then it is flawed.

ldinternet · 09-06-2004, 05:19 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
Europeans have credit cards and debit cards, also broadband is widespread and the number of broadband users is increasing all the time. Though nobody can really complain because they are getting paid on that dialer revenue, I know that many informed webmasters would prefer their European traffic to be offered credit card access.

Dialers should never be used for west European surfers unless the program can't afford PPS for all signups - i.e. if their rebills, consoles and upsells hardly cover PPS for north American signups alone, they need the 50/50 dialer revenue from European traffic in order to make a decent profit and keep the program going.

The simple truth is that if a PPS model works with American traffic but doesn't work with western European traffic, then it is flawed.

Well I just went to wow18.com from my computer in Europe, and was offered credit card access through Paycom... which is GOOD to see.

justsexxx · 09-06-2004, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
Well I just went to wow18.com from my computer in Europe, and was offered credit card access through Paycom... which is GOOD to see.

The Netherlands here and I get bigcock.tv or something.

I don't care that much when they redirect traffic on tour pages, when we get credit for that(and they offer this, so a

for them)

I was afraid they redirected hosted galleries as well, but they promised me they don't. they only redirect traffic on TOUR pages

Andre

johndoebob · 09-06-2004, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
Well I just went to wow18.com from my computer in Europe, and was offered credit card access through Paycom... which is GOOD to see.

Paycom has huuuge problems processing european credit cards.

EscortDate_Enoj · 09-06-2004, 05:26 AM

Why default to a dialer for non-european users? We've been running adult sites targeted for Norwegian users for quite some time, and 100% of our Norwegian members chooses to pay with credit card.

We are starting a TGP (filled with free hosted sponsor galleries only) in the near future and we intend to send a lot of high quality traffic to it the first few months to get it ranked on various SE's. This will all be norwegian traffic (the TGP is also targeted for norwegian users) and we would probably lose a lot of sales (basically all) if our users only got the dialer option.

Is this common in the industry? If not, what major sponsors sends european traffic to dialer programs?

It would suck if that is standard procedure

TheSwed · 09-06-2004, 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by ldinternet
Well I just went to wow18.com from my computer in Europe, and was offered credit card access through Paycom... which is GOOD to see.

Sweden here http://www.natursekt.de/sv/index.php when you click on wow18.com

Tipsy · 09-06-2004, 05:34 AM

The redirecting to dialler thing for European traffic is insane these days. As has been mentioned broadband takeup in much of Europe is huge and continues to grow and as yet there are no SUCCESSFUL dialler options for broadband users and unlikely to be in the future.

Then take into account how happy the vast majority of Europe is to use a CC and it makes no sense at all. As has been said the only reason for doing so is not understanding the traffic and/or a badly put together site/tour.

Garou · 09-06-2004, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
justsexxx, those who redirect every non north american join page hit to dialers are most likely to do that.

Join page redirecters are: Slick Cash, Stupid Cash, Porn Kings

They seem to be too lazy to get a proper billing solution for european users.

Redirect may be a very good solution if webmasters get paid for that.

Ron2k1 · 09-06-2004, 05:40 AM

Most of the dutch internet users have broadband internet now, I hardly know anyone who's still on dial up.
personally I have had cable access since early 1999 and I have a creditcard for many years now.

I can't believe I still get redirected to some silly dialer only because I have a dutch ip number

Garou · 09-06-2004, 05:44 AM

ask Your sponsor about the IP of the signups. You'll be surprised with the stats. Around 90-98% of CC signups come from USA. That is what i know as a fact.

There are sponsors who offer great dialer solution for Europe offering CC access either

johndoebob · 09-06-2004, 05:46 AM

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Originally posted by Garou
Redirect may be a very good solution if webmasters get paid for that.

No it isn't just use CCBill,Verotel,IBill or Charge2000 or whatever their name is.They are all able to bill european users and if you look at some bigger and smaller paysite stats of paysites that are able to bill users worldwide you see the huge amounts of non american users that are members (mostly over 50%).

They are able to:

-Bill european credit cards
-Charge the money from european bank accounts (prefered by many europeans)
-Accept european debit cards

Do you really care about peanut payouts from dialers (maybe 20 cents per minute or less) or about good recurring membership payments?

justsexxx · 09-06-2004, 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Garou
ask Your sponsor about the IP of the signups. You'll be surprised with the stats. Around 90-98% of CC signups come from USA. That is what i know as a fact.

There are sponsors who offer great dialer solution for Europe offering CC access either

Different facts then I have...

For my PERSONAL joinstats over 48 hours I had these stats

62 United States
15 United Kingdom
9 Germany
8 Australia
5 Canada
3 Switzerland
3 Spain
3 Japan
3 France
2 Netherlands
1 Sweden
1 Norway
1 NONE
1 Mexico
1 Italy
1 France Metropolitan
1 Denmark
1 Czech Republic

so over 121 joins total, 62 from US, which is a little more then 50%!

Andre

Fabuleux · 09-06-2004, 05:52 AM

In The Netherlands broadband penetration is a LOT bigger then in the Untited States. Redirecting Dutch traffic to Dialers is just stupid, dialers won't work.

90% of the families with kids in The Netherlands have broadband.

I don't want 6 cents from dialer traffic, I want the normal signups!

Tipsy · 09-06-2004, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Garou
ask Your sponsor about the IP of the signups. You'll be surprised with the stats. Around 90-98% of CC signups come from USA. That is what i know as a fact.

There are sponsors who offer great dialer solution for Europe offering CC access either

'That is what i know as a fact.' - you know some strange 'facts' then. About 60% of my joins are from the US with the rest being a nice mix of Europeans with the UK heading it. I'd be very surprised if this was unique. Again comes down to how well the site is written and marketed.

Fabuleux · 09-06-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by Garou
Around 90-98% of CC signups come from USA.

Ofcourse, because they send the rest of the traffic to dialers...

emmanuelle · 09-06-2004, 06:06 AM

The redirects are not only based on ip. My francophone friend uses the French version of windows, (living here in Montreal) and is often redirected based on that. Drives her crazy!

09-06-2004, 04:08 AM	#1
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	What sponsors are REDIRECTING hosted galleries? I need a list of sponsors that REDIRECT some countries on their hosted galleries. I read on AWI that stupidcash is doing this for example. Since around 30% of my joins are coming from Europe, I need to know what other sponsors do this, so I can filter those out Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

09-06-2004, 04:59 AM	#5
johndoebob Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,405	justsexxx, those who redirect every non north american join page hit to dialers are most likely to do that. Join page redirecters are: Slick Cash, Stupid Cash, Porn Kings They seem to be too lazy to get a proper billing solution for european users. __________________

09-06-2004, 05:02 AM	#6
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	actually with stupidcash you do get paid on foreign traffic via dialer __________________ Sig heil

09-06-2004, 05:34 AM	#16
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	The redirecting to dialler thing for European traffic is insane these days. As has been mentioned broadband takeup in much of Europe is huge and continues to grow and as yet there are no SUCCESSFUL dialler options for broadband users and unlikely to be in the future. Then take into account how happy the vast majority of Europe is to use a CC and it makes no sense at all. As has been said the only reason for doing so is not understanding the traffic and/or a badly put together site/tour. __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

09-06-2004, 05:52 AM	#22
Fabuleux Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,543	In The Netherlands broadband penetration is a LOT bigger then in the Untited States. Redirecting Dutch traffic to Dialers is just stupid, dialers won't work. 90% of the families with kids in The Netherlands have broadband. I don't want 6 cents from dialer traffic, I want the normal signups! __________________

09-06-2004, 04:16 AM	#2
NickB. Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 8,855	there are companies who do that for sure! This is how they work: For example I sign up at a program, filling in I'm from Holland, they white list Holland from a popupdialer/ redirecting so I will "never" find out. I will not name programs on the board before talking to them about it. What I would recommend is: Ask a german webmaster to click some gallery listings once in a while, you'll be suprised

09-06-2004, 05:26 AM	#14
EscortDate_Enoj Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 87	Why default to a dialer for non-european users? We've been running adult sites targeted for Norwegian users for quite some time, and 100% of our Norwegian members chooses to pay with credit card. We are starting a TGP (filled with free hosted sponsor galleries only) in the near future and we intend to send a lot of high quality traffic to it the first few months to get it ranked on various SE's. This will all be norwegian traffic (the TGP is also targeted for norwegian users) and we would probably lose a lot of sales (basically all) if our users only got the dialer option. Is this common in the industry? If not, what major sponsors sends european traffic to dialer programs? It would suck if that is standard procedure

09-06-2004, 05:40 AM	#18
Ron2k1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,573	Most of the dutch internet users have broadband internet now, I hardly know anyone who's still on dial up. personally I have had cable access since early 1999 and I have a creditcard for many years now. I can't believe I still get redirected to some silly dialer only because I have a dutch ip number

09-06-2004, 05:44 AM	#19
Garou Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 850	ask Your sponsor about the IP of the signups. You'll be surprised with the stats. Around 90-98% of CC signups come from USA. That is what i know as a fact. There are sponsors who offer great dialer solution for Europe offering CC access either

09-06-2004, 06:06 AM	#25
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	The redirects are not only based on ip. My francophone friend uses the French version of windows, (living here in Montreal) and is often redirected based on that. Drives her crazy!