Paypal is going to FINE you $500 for using your account for adult content or services - GoFuckYourself.com

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 05:20 PM

BUYING or selling!

PayPal, the online payments arm of eBay, on Friday said it will soon fine people up to $500 for uses related to gambling, adult content or services, and buying or selling prescription drugs from noncertified sellers.

http://news.com.com/PayPal+to+levy+f...l?tag=nefd.top

fr8 · 09-10-2004, 05:21 PM

Paypal isnt worth a thing. So no worries.

rowan · 09-10-2004, 05:22 PM

If they ever "fine" me then I will charge back the $500 (and expect to have my account closed)

Giorgio_Xo · 09-10-2004, 06:03 PM

That will hold up in court for about 3 minutes.

sumphatpimp · 09-10-2004, 06:14 PM

so when are they giving back all the money they made from these "bad" things that they no longer want to be a part of?

EH?

LOL

theiving lieing cocksuckers!

V_RocKs · 09-10-2004, 06:17 PM

Fight Club II - Target, the offices of Paypal and (now possibly) Google.

Zerof8 · 09-10-2004, 06:18 PM

Thats fuckin bullshit! If google is publicly owned then paypal is right? and if paypal is publicly owned then it cant make decisions like that can it?

Satisfaction · 09-10-2004, 06:30 PM

fuck this could turn out ugly.. imagine the amount of accounts that would be closed/became inactive if this took place!

mardigras · 09-10-2004, 06:34 PM

Guess if you sell your sig or pay someone to do any work dealing with a site they deem adult they can term your account if they can connect either address to their adult blacklist?

Sly_RJ · 09-10-2004, 06:37 PM

Class action suit in the making.

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
BUYING or selling!

PayPal, the online payments arm of eBay, on Friday said it will soon fine people up to $500 for uses related to gambling, adult content or services, and buying or selling prescription drugs from noncertified sellers.

http://news.com.com/PayPal+to+levy+f...l?tag=nefd.top

How will they ever find out? If both parties are discrete, they won't be able to PROVE anything. Besides, they can't collect the fine unless you have $500 in your account. Unless they can debit your bank account without your permission. They can't do that, can they?

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 06:40 PM

If they cancel your paypal account, will they also cancel your Paypal CC? I just got mine last week.

IN CASE PAYPAL IS LISTENING IN, I DON'T USE YOU FOR ADULT TRANSACTIONS

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
How will they ever find out? If both parties are discrete, they won't be able to PROVE anything. Besides, they can't collect the fine unless you have $500 in your account. Unless they can debit your bank account without your permission. They can't do that, can they?

You are a designer, your client gets pissed off at you for some reason, he emails paypal, you better say goodbye to your account.

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
If they cancel your paypal account, will they also cancel your Paypal CC? I just got mine last week.

IN CASE PAYPAL IS LISTENING IN, I DON'T USE YOU FOR ADULT TRANSACTIONS

IN CASE GOD IS LISTENING, BOOBMASTER DOESNT DO ANY ADULT TRANSACTIONS

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
You are a designer, your client gets pissed off at you for some reason, he emails paypal, you better say goodbye to your account.

That is true. But the person who complained would also lose his account.

Spunky · 09-10-2004, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
If they cancel your paypal account, will they also cancel your Paypal CC? I just got mine last week.

IN CASE PAYPAL IS LISTENING IN, I DON'T USE YOU FOR ADULT TRANSACTIONS

Your account is now terminated

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
That is true. But the person who complained would also lose his account.

a complaint can be from a non paypal email, giving the URL to his adult design service website.

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
a complaint can be from a non paypal email, giving the URL to his adult design service website.

That would piss me off, big time. But if that designer didn't have a link to his paypal account on his website, nothing could be proven. There is no law againbst an adult webmaster or designer using paypal for non-adult related stuff.

I've heard rumors that paypal was deleting accounts even when they couldn't PROVE anything. that is what worries me. I like to use Paypal for ebay (non-adult, of course).

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 06:50 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1
Your account is now terminated

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
IN CASE GOD IS LISTENING, BOOBMASTER DOESNT DO ANY ADULT TRANSACTIONS

NOT ON PAYPAL, AT LEAST.

detoxed · 09-10-2004, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
That would piss me off, big time. But if that designer didn't have a link to his paypal account on his website, nothing could be proven. There is no law againbst an adult webmaster or designer using paypal for non-adult related stuff.

I've heard rumors that paypal was deleting accounts even when they couldn't PROVE anything. that is what worries me. I like to use Paypal for ebay (non-adult, of course).

You think paypal cares about proof of anything? Nothing can be PROVEN with paypal, its not possible. A hacker could have done it, etc, etc, etc

Rankings · 09-10-2004, 06:53 PM

Seems like a dumb business move on their part if you ask me

Mr Dickovitch · 09-10-2004, 06:56 PM

I was using my Paypal account for services that were not adult related in any way (mainstream graphic design) and they said it was adult content and shut down my account. The only thing I can figure out is that a competitor said this just to have my account closed and they don't bother to check. I then tried to contact them but they don't answer and if you call them on the phone they just direct you to an email address that doesn't answer. Fuck those fuckers.
The account was new and it was only used twice for mainstream design. The website it linked to was mainstream. The emails associated with the account were also all mainstream.

warlock5 · 09-10-2004, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
That will hold up in court for about 3 minutes.

Its in the TOS.

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
You think paypal cares about proof of anything? Nothing can be PROVEN with paypal, its not possible. A hacker could have done it, etc, etc, etc

If they're gonna cancel your account or fine you $500, they sure as FUCK BETTER be able to prove it. If they can't, they risk a lot in damages if people decided to sue them.

buymysig · 09-10-2004, 07:37 PM

Don't like paypal one little bit

mardigras · 09-10-2004, 07:45 PM

I'm not sure I want to verify my Paypal account. I held off forever opening one because of all the bad reports until there was an e-bay auction I couldn't resist... I've already received over $1000 and sent about that through it. I think when my limits are reached I may insist that others deal with services that aren't so cozy with my bank account

Steen2 · 09-10-2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Unless they can debit your bank account without your permission. They can't do that, can they?

Can they? Yes. Are the allowed to? I am not sure. There may be something in their TOS that describes that.

Steen2 · 09-10-2004, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by buymysig
Don't like paypal one little bit

Wow?! Really? I have NEVER heard of someone not liking Paypal.

sickkittens · 09-10-2004, 07:48 PM

Paypal is a joke. Nothing but trouble with them.

SomeCreep · 09-10-2004, 07:51 PM

Paypal is losing thousands of customers to epassporte. Maybe one of these days they'll lighten up. If not, who cares, its their loss.

XPays · 09-10-2004, 07:51 PM

wire transfer/visa/mastercard/amex/western union/cash/check

call me old fashioned

robfantasy · 09-10-2004, 07:52 PM

paypal used to be cool.. i remember when i first got a paypal acc i though it was 31337

neverlearn · 09-10-2004, 07:53 PM

Paypal can take their percentage as I spit beer in their face in laughter

09-10-2004, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
If they're gonna cancel your account or fine you $500, they sure as FUCK BETTER be able to prove it. If they can't, they risk a lot in damages if people decided to sue them.

They cancel accounts just for sending or receiving money from someone using an adult domain name as their paypal address. They don't give a shit about proof and don't even give you a chance to respond or even state what evidence they have you broke the TOS.

I hope they do start fining people and they get a few big lawsuits as a result. I'm still waiting for the fuckers to free up the funds in my account after they closed it.

StarkReality · 09-10-2004, 07:59 PM

500$ fines are ridiculous, they can cancel an account without a prove, if they believe you broke the TOS. They can do or not do business with anyone as they like, but I doubt the credit card companies would be happy about seeing loads of fines being charged back. I doubt paypal will even try to collect fines, it would be suicide.

Strife · 09-10-2004, 08:07 PM

Wonder if it's possible to open another PayPal account using different CC and/or bank info. I still would like to use PayPal for eBay shit...

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 08:16 PM

I doubt they would (or could) cancel a CC, since the issuing bank is independent of paypal.

Unfortunately, a lot of designers and programmers ONLY take paypal, which makes it hard to dump them completely. I hope more of them sugn up with alternative processors in light of these stupid fines.

Disco_Stu · 09-10-2004, 08:17 PM

Hmmm so if PayPal finds out adult transactions eh?

09-10-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Disco_Stu
Hmmm so if PayPal finds out adult transactions eh?

Concocting an elaborate blackmail scheme?

boobmaster · 09-10-2004, 08:20 PM

Paypal seems to be OBSESSED with getting rid of all adult related business. A lot of companies SAY they refuse to deal with ADULT in order to make themselves look good. For example, yahoo made a big deal about getting rid of adult groups, but they didn't completely dump them (they just made them unsearchable). They KNOW that dumping adult altogether would cut into their bottom line. Paypal's obsession leads me to believe they are TRUE anti-porn advocates.

neewwman · 09-10-2004, 08:27 PM

Someone should start an adult-friendly version of paypal.

An ad buyer of mine is in China and lost his paypal account. He pays me through Solar billing. Boy do they suck. They take out a huge commission for themselves, keep the entire payment for 30 days, AND hold 10% in reserve.

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Mr Dickovitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,070	I was using my Paypal account for services that were not adult related in any way (mainstream graphic design) and they said it was adult content and shut down my account. The only thing I can figure out is that a competitor said this just to have my account closed and they don't bother to check. I then tried to contact them but they don't answer and if you call them on the phone they just direct you to an email address that doesn't answer. Fuck those fuckers. The account was new and it was only used twice for mainstream design. The website it linked to was mainstream. The emails associated with the account were also all mainstream.

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boobmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,185	I doubt they would (or could) cancel a CC, since the issuing bank is independent of paypal. Unfortunately, a lot of designers and programmers ONLY take paypal, which makes it hard to dump them completely. I hope more of them sugn up with alternative processors in light of these stupid fines.

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Disco_Stu So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 757	Hmmm so if PayPal finds out adult transactions eh?

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boobmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,185	Paypal seems to be OBSESSED with getting rid of all adult related business. A lot of companies SAY they refuse to deal with ADULT in order to make themselves look good. For example, yahoo made a big deal about getting rid of adult groups, but they didn't completely dump them (they just made them unsearchable). They KNOW that dumping adult altogether would cut into their bottom line. Paypal's obsession leads me to believe they are TRUE anti-porn advocates.

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neewwman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA Posts: 1,737	Someone should start an adult-friendly version of paypal. An ad buyer of mine is in China and lost his paypal account. He pays me through Solar billing. Boy do they suck. They take out a huge commission for themselves, keep the entire payment for 30 days, AND hold 10% in reserve. __________________ Porn Wealth Everything the newbie adult webmaster needs to know. Buy it, or sell it through our 50% affiliate program!