but i already knew the world was round...?:eek7

I doubt you need much "finance" just a few guns and bombs

Ps.

I forgot to add that "YES" im a fucking idiot but unfortunately for you not in this instance

There is always next time if you try harder :thumbsup

Good progress man. Keep moving :thumbsup

Btw why does everybody think the country they just life in is the greatest and didn't do anything wrong?Is that some gene I don't have? :winkwink:

Who think this way?

Oh no the children. :sadcrying :sadcrying :sadcrying

Were you parents related before they got married? Cause that would explain a lot.

Except when they don't.

Like the dozen or more suspected terrorists they let simply walk away from the site because they were too fucking dumbass to know who's who.

Great job, guys. Drop a roof on a school full of kids, then let the bad guys just wander off in the dust cloud. :(

what happened is a tragedy, there is no limits to the lengths these fuckers will go.. the terrorists that reportidly escaped were captured or killed from the latest reports i have heard on russian news.

and im sure you would have done a much better job given the circumstances..

amazing how many experts we have here, maybe you should go into law enforcement or join the swat team, u seem to be such a pro.

well how would you save them ? kids were without food for 2 days already, i'm sure 7 more days and some could die.. also those fuckers chechens wouldn't let them out anyways, they knew they ganna die in the begining, the only choice is to storm the building like they did, and they did a pretty damn good job

Yeah, everyone here looks like a pro. It's so easy to speculate over the things from a distance, and say "they should to this... they should do that..." Personally I believe Russian SWAT just have no choice when terrorists blasted a bomb, killed two rescuers that came to take away the bodies of killed hostages, and when they (the terrorists) opened fire on running children. Just imagine some small but totally mine-strewn school with about a thousand of hostages, and bunch of crazy radical Islamic motherfuckers...

I'm no expert on counter-insurgency, but I know a colossal cluster-fuck when I see one.

The russians had absolutely no control over that situation. Civilians were running in and out, there were no ambulances nearby to ferry out the wounded in the event of casualties (which, considering that there were already dead bodied on the ground in the front of the building seemed pretty fucking likely)... pandaemonium. Bullets and rpgs flying in every which direction and innocents getting caught in the crossfire, and the bad guys taking a walk in the aftermath because noone knows wtf is going on.

If they caught the bastards later, then GOOD. At least someone, somewhere had a couple neurons to rub together... but at the school, it was a catastrophe, pure and simple.

You don't have to be a gourmet chef to know when your steak tastes like shit.

How much did it cost to raid the school?
$100 for bullets?

Kinda cold putting a price tag on the lives of 100s of kids, dude. :ugone2far

Years of special training, good planning, lot of weapons and other equipment, satellite communications facilities etc. Also don't forget about the money for hirelings. FYI: 9 of killed terrorists was ARABS and 1 was BLACK. These ones were NOT from Russia. I have no idea who has sponsored them (paid to train them and carry over the Russian border etc) . You think it's not Al Quaeda, so who? May be CIA?

1) The terrorists opened fire on running children after that Russian SWAT team opened a backfire on terrorists to cover the hostages. What will YOU do if you were them???
2) The SWAT team didn't use RPG's. These ones were used by terrorists.
3) There were lots of ambulances on safety distance from the terrorist sight range. I don't know what did you see on your TV, but I saw Russian soldiers carrying hostages to ambulances under terrorist's gun fire. I was wondered on how many ambulance cars were gathered in that small mountainous town.
4) A few terrorists were allowed to escape from school in order to take them away from children. As far as I know 3 of them were captured and others were shot a little bit later.

Indeed. So now we all should vote Bush no?:1orglaugh

I don't think that Dutch people have a right to vote for the US president. Isn't it?..

you think that there is something funny when children of 6-7 years old died?

It's all Russians' fault. The Chechens want independence - so fucking give them independence, and the following day star t nuking their cities one by one. FREEDOM fighters killing kids. GIVE ME A FUKCING BREAK !!!

The negotiators were having success in getting people released. Pregnant women and so forth had been released unharmed, so the bad guys inside obviously weren't completely out of control... at least at one point in this thing. Why the big rush to get more out? And why the hell did they decide that explosives were the best way to 'provide cover'?

Like I said, I'm no counter-insurgent expert, but it seems like if you're interested in protecting the innocent, you don't start attacking the people you're trying to negotiate a peace with and expect nothing bad to happen.
Never claimed they did.
Those ambulances arrived hours later. Most of the first evacuees were taken out by private vehicles. In fact, so many useless vehicles were parked around the site that dozens of civvies were enlisted to manually pick up and move cars off the street. The BBC had all that footage clearly.
Now who's becoming the specialist? They seemed to have no problem opening up on terrorists when kids were around at any other time. Occam tells me that its far more likely that they DID get away in the chaos and the situation was spun to save face.

Noone who was in the zone had a clue of what who was who. Many of the police/counter-insurgent forces were plain clothed, as plainly seen by various footage. Or perhaps those ones wandering around amongst the civvies at that safe point with AK-47s were actually the bad guys. While flipping over to CNN, that talking head with the blocky live-link video was watching em go and wondering "Who knows who anyone is? There's no markings or insignia on anyone. Those guys there could well be terrorists, noone knows." *pan to a couple guys with AK's in white shirts walking left while everyone else is running right*

Bottom line is that I believe this situation could have been handled way better than it was and I suspect many russians do as well. As for Putin, he's going to have some serious shit to explain. Last time I flicked on the TV I saw him there with a very subdued manner already trying to do damage control.

Not funny at all!
But to blame everything on al quada is stupid as well.
Before 9-11 noone knew them, and evry hostage/accident after 9-11 is done by them

Andre

Please be sure to learn the history before you post. Chechnya had about 2 years of independence. During that time they killed all Russians who haven't left Chechnya. They kidnapped a lot of Russian citizens for a ransom. They have Blasted 3 buildings in Russia (2 in Moscow and 1 in Volgodons). They have invaded Russian republic of Dagestan. That was a clear and direct danger to Russia. So the Russian army entered Chechnya. So what the freedom are you talking about?

The bombs were exploded by the terrorist but not by the SWAT team. Are you blind? Why don't you just watch TV???

Exactly. The negotiations stopped in that moment when terrorist blasted the bomb and opened fire on running children.

Wrong! The ambulances arrived yet on 1st September. I saw them on TV 2 days ago. As about private vehicles, so what's wrong with them? The local people used EVERYTHING to help hostages. Including their own vehicles.

Can't agree with you on your thoughts regarding work of Russian SWAT. I know thet did all the best to help the hostages. Please show some respect to these men. Lot's of them lost their own lives to save the children. :(

But I fully agree with you about Putin. I also think that was also his personal fault. Actually I never liked him at all..

they hate everyone dude

Wrong! Here in Russia we heard about Al Quaeda a couple of years before 9/11. The local media told that Chechen terrorist were trainind in the Al Quaeda's Afghan training camps. That was the 1st time when we hared about Al Quaeda, Mr. Osama Bin Laden and his bosses from CIA... That's not a joke man.

I do. The BBC at that point said that the swat triggered the blast. Perhaps someone stepped on a mine or hit a tripwire, I don't know. Obviously there's some confusion what exactly happened there.
This is directly opposite to what I saw this morning. There were *NO* ambulances on the scene when fighting broke out, nor were there for hours. Civilian vehicles had to be pressed into service for lack of any other choice. Additionally, the streets were clogged with civi vehicles preventing emergency crews from getting in and out properly. That shows lack of planning and crowd control discipline. Not to mention letting civvies run in and out of a war zone... that's just nuts.
As is often the case, the average grunt isn't to blame for the truly enormous fuckups, its the people in charge. The grunts bear the biggest burden though. :( It's a sad thing any way you look at it.
Gorby was the shiznit. Yeltzin was a goon and Putin is a goon with a better suit.

Gorbochev was just a chatterer. Yeltzin was a stupid alcoholic who dishonoured and destroyed all the country... hate him... And I don't like Putin as well. He is a man of Yeltzin...

You americans are total brainwashed idiots. "doubt they need much money", "no one finance chechen rebel" lol this is unbelievable bullshit! So where the fuck "chechen rebels" take money for 10 years of terrorist operations? They have stingers, nato ammunition, satellite systems, radio mines, rpgs? Do they have war factories in the mountains?? Do you know that 90% of "chechen rebels" are arab mercenaries from arab training camps? Do you know who the fuck are HOTTAB and Ben Ladin? Do you know with whom Russia were fighting 10 years in Afganistan? You think with your brainwashed heads, that world is revolving around you. Who gives a fuck about your Bush and his stories, Al Quaeda has more connection to Russia than to anyone else in the world.

Please make you know what 'sarcasm' means. People that kill kids are the lowest scum ever. They can call themselves "FREEDOM FIGHTERS" or whatever the fuck they want, they are still scum. That's why I said the Russians should nuke their cities - one for each kid that these fuckers killed!!!

If you didnt know them, that doesnt mean that noone knew them. Get a clue about who is Hottab first, before postings things, that you know nothing about.

if its any consolation, one of the terrorists who got away was found under a car and beaten to death....tee hee

Got you wrong. Sorry.

:1orglaugh ben ladin

Ok, I'll try to help him with some small explanation (seems there is a BIG problem with a free speech in the USA, and there is also a huge lack of information). The mentioned above Hattab was an Al Quaeda's man in Chechnya. Osama Bin Laden personally appointed him to monitor all the finances there. I.e. he was responsible for the Al Quaeda's money "utilization" in Chechnya.

P.S. Hattab has been killed during special operatin performed by FSB.

welcome to the board, good start by insulting about 85% of the board members....

I think it's just a typo.

hahaha

No problem :)

CNN and FOX may continue to call them rebels (this word associates with Luke Skywalker). But I just call them fucking bastards. I hate those animals who can do this (don't care what goals they have):

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Just 2 days ago these children were happy. Some of them came to school in 1st time.
:feels-hot :feels-hot :feels-hot

OK! They are FUCKIN TERRORISTS

this pictures really wanna meke me cry.. fucking terrorist mutherfuckers... :mad: :mad: :mad:

At one time, they may have simply been rebels fighting their oppressors. But they became thugs and terrorists along the way. Some of these assholes are truly frightening. Their leaders are MUSLIM EXTREMISTS. One of them is such an extremist that he once went off into the mountains and fasted and prayed for two days just because he TOUCHED a nonbeliever. This same leader received terrorist training in one of Bin Laden's terrorist camps in Afghanistan. You are so fucking naive if you think for a second that there is no relationship between them and Al Queda. AL QUEDA IS A KNOWN SUPPORTER of these people.

I am sick of hearing these MONSTERS referred to as freedom fighters. They are child murderers and should be COMPLETELY STAMPED OUT FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH

I am REALLY, REALLY getting tired of you fucking holier-than-thou rants, Fletch. You judge people you know NOTHING about.

Didn't Al Qaeda also fund the Republican National Convention?

Wow those guys are everywhere now :1orglaugh

FUCK OFF, COCKSUCKER. :321GFY