The real problem in the porn bizz today is: - GoFuckYourself.com

wolfshade · 06-09-2001, 09:02 AM

- Not the TGP's giving away the free XXX
- Not dialers charging an arm and a leg
- Not CJ sites scaring off surfers looking for porn

Ok people sit back grab hold of somebody here comes Wolfies rant for the week

The real problem is the same it has always been: To many people believing the myth that porn is a get rich quick scheme.

Those people think let's slam a few galleries together post it to every source known to man and beyond, then sit back and watch the $$$ roll in.

Then after they are presented with the bandwith bill they start screaming like butchered pigs that all those dialer pushers are to blame, and offcourse those damn TGP's for giving it away for free etc... etc...

It makes me wonder:

Did those webmasters ever sit down and take the time to review their marketing skills?

Have they ever taken the time to read up on targetted advertising, bannerplacement and design?

I mean come on why is it that I can do with 3k other people can't even do with 50k?

Is it because I'm going strong for 9 years now and counting?

Is it because with most of the marketing techniques out there I was one of the first to work with it?

The answer is NO!

Back when I started as a webmaster, building free sites(yes I gave EVERYTHING away for free, and still do) the first thing I did was read everything there was to read on bannerplacement and effective marketing.

Back then there was no such resource for adult sites so I got my info from the linkexchange newsmails etc......

And damn their webmaster digest rocked!

The second thing I did was I talked to people I know are crazy about online porn, discussed my sites with them altered it into something they loved!

Back then I also started running an erotic story mailinglist and that got me A LOT of interested members reading every word of the mails they got. In fact they liked it so much they came back to my sites more and more and I received mails that they only bought memberships because I promoted the paysites. Not because they liked me so much but because they trusted my judgement that much.

Now I still run sites(TGP, free sites, AVS sites, CJ sites I'm into everything adult related) but my efforts have shifted more into the adult webmaster field like sponsor programs and webmaster resources. initialy because I noticed this lack of education I'm rambling about years ago. In fact it was the cause for one of the first and best freehost to go belly up!

So I can conclude that the reason I am succesful in this business is because I take it seriously and make sure I am informed about every aspect of it.

I think a lot of the traffic mongers today(Easypic, Sublime and all the others struggling to make a profit) lack the above and this also goes for a lot of sponsors that have to tighten their rules and payrates time after time, just because they don't have a clue on how to sell a site.

You don't sell a site by closing a page and unleash a dozen pop ups in your prospects faces, you don't sell your site tricking them into something calling it free.

You see this is a scenario of what happens in the above example:

Joe surfer comes to a TGP and clicks on a gallerylink.

He's pleasantly suprised by the nice pictures and when he learns on the gallerypage its sponsor A that provided them, he's interested in getting more so he clicks on the link.

There he sees the cost and being a little short on cash right now he leaves with the intention of returning next month when payday has passed and he can afford the membership.

But what happens? on closing the page(or using his back button) he's being slammed by consoles offering free crap that is not realy free. after his browser crashes, or perhaps his whole PC do you realy think he will consider taking amembership for a site that sponsor offers?

I think not. The result: 1 missed sale that's never comming back, plus all the friends of Joe surfer that will hear what motherfuckers those sponsors are, and will never join also.

Conclusion: the problem with the adult bizz is ignorance on both the webmaster and the sponsor's part.

Well that's my rant for today if interested let me know and my following rant will be about a solution to the problem, I know works because I use it

Cheers,
Wolfshade

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Theo · 06-09-2001, 09:12 AM

i'll try to compress your whole message in a single sentence. It's a question I received from a new webmaster:" Do you think i can earn $2000 in less than a month from 20-25 galleries in order to go for vacation?"

HELL YEAH! you can even buy a motorboat!

ldinternet · 06-09-2001, 09:36 AM

Quite simply, there is money in all aspects in this biz.

If each visitor to my sites last week signed up to a sponsor, I'd be $20,000,000 better off right now.

But that isn't the way it is. It's a cold hard fact that hard work, diversity and honesty are the only means to success in this business. There is no other way.

Not long before I'll be full time at this - but there is no way that I'm going to "slack off". I'm looking at between 90 and 100 hours per week, 7 days per week. It's the only way to go... it is not possible to run any business 2 or 3 hours per night and expect success. For any business to be successful, you have to love what you do. I don't look upon what I am doing as a chore, I love every single minute of it - both the highs, and whether I admit it or not - the lows. That is when I know that things can only get better.

deluxe · 06-09-2001, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ldinternet:
it is not possible to run any business 2 or 3 hours per night and expect success

it is, i won't say i get rich from the part-time porn webmastering i do. But i make more with it then almost any other normal job i can get besides college...

it's just about being smart, trying new things and most important of all:

never give up!

I have months that i make hardly any money at all and i have months that make enough for the whole year.

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Hypo · 06-09-2001, 10:37 AM

"Easypic, Sublime and all the others struggling to make a profit"

How do you know they are struggline and not rolling in dough?

UnseenWorld · 06-09-2001, 11:36 AM

You can make a little bit of money with a "me too" site. You can make a lot more money with an original idea and a lot of sweat.

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Susan · 06-09-2001, 12:18 PM

Mr Wolfshade , do I detect a note of frustration in your words, you wooden shoe guys have been a source of inspiration to me in the past , don?t let all this inefficiency get to you there?s light at the end of the tunnel.

I have been ridiculed on this board for talking market psychology, looking after the surfer and target marketing, its quite amusing when you consider just how much I make for my boss and on the side for my own pocket. Lets wait and see who is here this time next year LOL.

Follow the crowd; you must be joking, people respond to different.

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wolfshade · 06-10-2001, 04:11 AM

Hey Susan,

I'm affraid you read me all wrong.

I am not frustrated, but reading posts about how free stuff fucks up the market etc... kinda got realy old realy fast

So I decided to post my opinion on it as you can read above.

Wolfshade

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Susan · 06-10-2001, 05:11 AM

Wolfshade

Ok I know what you mean but it is an important issue and one that should be kept in the open from time to time.

Anyway a far more important issue - stop sending us your shitty weather and do something about those car clampers in Amsterdam , do they really have to wear a silly grin while taking your money

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Theo · 06-10-2001, 06:51 AM

Susan,

where is the signup page of bullshitteens.com? I need a motoryacht! ;-)

boneprone · 06-11-2001, 12:52 PM

a very common opinion.

Lensman · 07-03-2001, 12:28 AM

it's a hard deal to change all that

DamageX · 07-04-2001, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Susan:
there?s light at the end of the tunnel

I hope that ain't a train.

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Susan · 07-04-2001, 09:05 AM

Damagex

No but me thinks you are stuck in a time tunnel

ronnie · 07-04-2001, 02:50 PM

And what makes these newbies think they can make a ton off net porn? One of them is these turnkey sites. They say use our site, buy our site, you'll make enough to buy 100 motorboats! Sponsors sure don't help either. Giving recurring examples that are not real life. Whats the first thing most new people see, usually the sponsor. The sponsor promising gold in the hills. Soon sponsors and turnkey site sellers will have to have disclaimers, like buying stocks.

Plus every where you read, "porn is making the millions" in the media, why would'nt they want to jump on the bandwagon? And the best is people remarking how much they make on message boards. Course, if they are telling the truth, they don't say how much time or cash they put in to it.

Wolfshade, was'nt it you just not too long ago, getting on the hun, that tgp was the ruin of the net porn? maybe not..

ronnie

RedShoe · 07-04-2001, 03:08 PM

Hey Wolfshade.
Forgive me if it's not you that I'm thinking of, but wasn't it you that had that article on "learn what took me years..."

I thought I linked to it from your sig, but now I can't find that site anywhere. If this is you could you repost that link? It was an awesome article. I've read it a few times, it's great inspiration.

I must have not bookmarked it.

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06-09-2001, 09:02 AM	#1
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	The real problem in the porn bizz today is: - Not the TGP's giving away the free XXX - Not dialers charging an arm and a leg - Not CJ sites scaring off surfers looking for porn Ok people sit back grab hold of somebody here comes Wolfies rant for the week The real problem is the same it has always been: To many people believing the myth that porn is a get rich quick scheme. Those people think let's slam a few galleries together post it to every source known to man and beyond, then sit back and watch the $$$ roll in. Then after they are presented with the bandwith bill they start screaming like butchered pigs that all those dialer pushers are to blame, and offcourse those damn TGP's for giving it away for free etc... etc... It makes me wonder: Did those webmasters ever sit down and take the time to review their marketing skills? Have they ever taken the time to read up on targetted advertising, bannerplacement and design? I mean come on why is it that I can do with 3k other people can't even do with 50k? Is it because I'm going strong for 9 years now and counting? Is it because with most of the marketing techniques out there I was one of the first to work with it? The answer is NO! Back when I started as a webmaster, building free sites(yes I gave EVERYTHING away for free, and still do) the first thing I did was read everything there was to read on bannerplacement and effective marketing. Back then there was no such resource for adult sites so I got my info from the linkexchange newsmails etc...... And damn their webmaster digest rocked! The second thing I did was I talked to people I know are crazy about online porn, discussed my sites with them altered it into something they loved! Back then I also started running an erotic story mailinglist and that got me A LOT of interested members reading every word of the mails they got. In fact they liked it so much they came back to my sites more and more and I received mails that they only bought memberships because I promoted the paysites. Not because they liked me so much but because they trusted my judgement that much. Now I still run sites(TGP, free sites, AVS sites, CJ sites I'm into everything adult related) but my efforts have shifted more into the adult webmaster field like sponsor programs and webmaster resources. initialy because I noticed this lack of education I'm rambling about years ago. In fact it was the cause for one of the first and best freehost to go belly up! So I can conclude that the reason I am succesful in this business is because I take it seriously and make sure I am informed about every aspect of it. I think a lot of the traffic mongers today(Easypic, Sublime and all the others struggling to make a profit) lack the above and this also goes for a lot of sponsors that have to tighten their rules and payrates time after time, just because they don't have a clue on how to sell a site. You don't sell a site by closing a page and unleash a dozen pop ups in your prospects faces, you don't sell your site tricking them into something calling it free. You see this is a scenario of what happens in the above example: Joe surfer comes to a TGP and clicks on a gallerylink. He's pleasantly suprised by the nice pictures and when he learns on the gallerypage its sponsor A that provided them, he's interested in getting more so he clicks on the link. There he sees the cost and being a little short on cash right now he leaves with the intention of returning next month when payday has passed and he can afford the membership. But what happens? on closing the page(or using his back button) he's being slammed by consoles offering free crap that is not realy free. after his browser crashes, or perhaps his whole PC do you realy think he will consider taking amembership for a site that sponsor offers? I think not. The result: 1 missed sale that's never comming back, plus all the friends of Joe surfer that will hear what motherfuckers those sponsors are, and will never join also. Conclusion: the problem with the adult bizz is ignorance on both the webmaster and the sponsor's part. Well that's my rant for today if interested let me know and my following rant will be about a solution to the problem, I know works because I use it Cheers, Wolfshade ------------------ Get paid per minute! Dialerclopedia

06-09-2001, 09:12 AM	#2
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i'll try to compress your whole message in a single sentence. It's a question I received from a new webmaster:" Do you think i can earn $2000 in less than a month from 20-25 galleries in order to go for vacation?" HELL YEAH! you can even buy a motorboat!

06-09-2001, 09:36 AM	#3
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Quite simply, there is money in all aspects in this biz. If each visitor to my sites last week signed up to a sponsor, I'd be $20,000,000 better off right now. But that isn't the way it is. It's a cold hard fact that hard work, diversity and honesty are the only means to success in this business. There is no other way. Not long before I'll be full time at this - but there is no way that I'm going to "slack off". I'm looking at between 90 and 100 hours per week, 7 days per week. It's the only way to go... it is not possible to run any business 2 or 3 hours per night and expect success. For any business to be successful, you have to love what you do. I don't look upon what I am doing as a chore, I love every single minute of it - both the highs, and whether I admit it or not - the lows. That is when I know that things can only get better.

06-09-2001, 10:37 AM	#5
Hypo So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,104	"Easypic, Sublime and all the others struggling to make a profit" How do you know they are struggline and not rolling in dough?

06-09-2001, 11:36 AM	#6
UnseenWorld Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Portland, OR, USA Posts: 5,279	You can make a little bit of money with a "me too" site. You can make a lot more money with an original idea and a lot of sweat. ------------------ Producer of truly original teen/young woman-oriented adult content at Wonders of the Unseen World

06-09-2001, 12:18 PM	#7
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Mr Wolfshade , do I detect a note of frustration in your words, you wooden shoe guys have been a source of inspiration to me in the past , don?t let all this inefficiency get to you there?s light at the end of the tunnel. I have been ridiculed on this board for talking market psychology, looking after the surfer and target marketing, its quite amusing when you consider just how much I make for my boss and on the side for my own pocket. Lets wait and see who is here this time next year LOL. Follow the crowd; you must be joking, people respond to different. bullshitteens.com converting 1:20 off pure TGP traffic ------------------ Susan©®

06-10-2001, 04:11 AM	#8
wolfshade Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The right place Posts: 847	Hey Susan, I'm affraid you read me all wrong. I am not frustrated, but reading posts about how free stuff fucks up the market etc... kinda got realy old realy fast So I decided to post my opinion on it as you can read above. Wolfshade ------------------ Get paid per minute! Dialerclopedia

06-10-2001, 05:11 AM	#9
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Wolfshade Ok I know what you mean but it is an important issue and one that should be kept in the open from time to time. Anyway a far more important issue - stop sending us your shitty weather and do something about those car clampers in Amsterdam , do they really have to wear a silly grin while taking your money ------------------ Susan©®

06-10-2001, 06:51 AM	#10
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	Susan, where is the signup page of bullshitteens.com? I need a motoryacht! ;-)

06-11-2001, 12:52 PM	#11
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	a very common opinion.

07-03-2001, 12:28 AM	#12
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	it's a hard deal to change all that

07-04-2001, 09:05 AM	#14
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Damagex No but me thinks you are stuck in a time tunnel

07-04-2001, 02:50 PM	#15
ronnie Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Central IL Posts: 19	And what makes these newbies think they can make a ton off net porn? One of them is these turnkey sites. They say use our site, buy our site, you'll make enough to buy 100 motorboats! Sponsors sure don't help either. Giving recurring examples that are not real life. Whats the first thing most new people see, usually the sponsor. The sponsor promising gold in the hills. Soon sponsors and turnkey site sellers will have to have disclaimers, like buying stocks. Plus every where you read, "porn is making the millions" in the media, why would'nt they want to jump on the bandwagon? And the best is people remarking how much they make on message boards. Course, if they are telling the truth, they don't say how much time or cash they put in to it. Wolfshade, was'nt it you just not too long ago, getting on the hun, that tgp was the ruin of the net porn? maybe not.. ronnie

07-04-2001, 03:08 PM	#16
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	Hey Wolfshade. Forgive me if it's not you that I'm thinking of, but wasn't it you that had that article on "learn what took me years..." I thought I linked to it from your sig, but now I can't find that site anywhere. If this is you could you repost that link? It was an awesome article. I've read it a few times, it's great inspiration. I must have not bookmarked it. ------------------ ...:::End Of Line:::... ------------------ * uSexFan.com * ICQ : 114683191