Libertine

You are the only one who mentioned pure/direct democracies, fool

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theking

What I do know is...the fore fathers founded a Democratic Republic...and that ends the story and the definition of our form of Government...as it was founded.

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Libertine

So, if they didn't *literally* call the USA "a sovereign country" at that time, it isn't one? If they didn't *literally* call the USA "one big fucking country", that means it isn't?

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theking

I do not have the inclination to argue the ridiculous...so troll someone else.

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Libertine

You are the one being ridiculous. I actually am right.

You see, "liberal democracy" and "representative democracy" are not just names, they're phrases with an actual meaning. The fact that you don't know those meanings doesn't make them less applicable, it just makes you ignorant.

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theking

I of course know what they mean...but neither are very applicable to the topic of this thread. Fact...our fore fathers founded a Democratic Republic as our form of government and not a "Democracy" as a form of government. No country has ever had "Democracy" as a form of government. It is a nisnomer to say that a country is a "Democracy" just as it is a misnomer to say a country has a "Communist" form of government as niether have ever existed as a form of government.

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CET

The argument to not support 3rd parties is circular and logically fails. We don't vote for 3rd parties because they're unelectable. They're unelectable because we don't vote for them.

40% of democrats and 43% of republicans said they would vote libertarian if they thought the libertarian candidate could win. Therefore, the libertarian candidate can easily win if everyone votes their conscience rather then the dichotamy they've been spoon fed.

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Libertine

The topic of this thread is not "pure democracy". It's "democracy". Everyone knows that with "democracy", people often do not refer to "pure, direct democracy".

Even the dictionary recognizes that:
de·moc·ra·cy Pronunciation Key (d-mkr-s)
n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies

1. Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
2. A political or social unit that has such a government.
3. The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
4. Majority rule.
5. The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.



If you honestly thought people here were talking about pure, direct democracy, you're an idiot. (even more so when you replied to my post, since I literally used the term "representative democracy")

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Very insightful.

Answer: do nothing. There isn't squat the president can do to fuck up or fix the economy. The economy naturally works in cycles and is a self correcting system. The more you try to fix it, the more you'll likely end up fucking it up more.

BTW, the dollar has not lost any value. That would mean deflatino has occured and it had not. As a matter of fact the dollar is doing great because we're experiencing almost no inflation right now, while the Euro is gaining in value due to Europe's high inflation rate. This is good news for our export businesses, which have been doing poorly in the last 10 years due to the dollar gaining too much value.

Unemployment is not growing. Unemployment has been slowly and steadily decreasing and is nearly at a healthy level.

I don't give a rat's ass about the income gap. Only socialists whine about the income gap, because it is a vacuous argument. Income gap means squat. What does have meaning is the living standard. In America, the average "poor" family owns a microwave, VCR/DVD player, color TV, automobile and 2/3 of them own their home. That's not poverty. America's "poor" suffer from a problem that the rest of the world's poor wish they had; being fat.

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CET

Someone hasn't read the entire thread.

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theking

You responded with.


It is not ALSO a "representative democracy" and/or "liberal democracy" as a Democratic Republic is currently defined as being a representative democracy/liberal democracy.

Thus jimmyf is correct and I repeat "There is not an also". Our fore fathers founded a Democratic Republic...period. End of fucking discussion.

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Libertine

You finally realized you were making a complete idiot out of yourself with the whole "pure democracy" thing?


A democratic republic by no means is "defined" as a representative/liberal democracy (those are two different things, by the way).

But even if it was, you'd still be wrong. A member of a women's soccer team is also a woman.

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theking

I repeat the US has never been a "Democracy" it is a Democratic Republic which are two different forms of government...and yes I realize that in common usage people refer to it as being a "Democracy" but it is not a "Democracy"...it is a form of "Democracy".

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Libertine

The term "democracy" obviously encompasses it's different forms. A digital camera is a camera. When I say "I forgot my camera", that isn't untrue simply because my camera happens to be digital.


A democratic republic which uses representative democracy is also a representative democracy. That doesn't make it less of a democratic republic, it just refers to a specific portion of that democratic republic (e.g. it doesn't use a direct democracy). And something similar goes for the liberal democracy part.


Oh, and as for that quote of yours: it's wrong. I live in a monarchy which is a liberal democracy and a representative democracy.

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