Newt Gingrich told Hannity tonight

[theking]

...John Kerry secretly went to Paris three times and spoke with the Vietnamese...I think during his days of a war protester.

If this is true (I somehow doubt that it is)...it will probably be the nail in his coffin for the office of the Presidency.

Has anyone else heard anything about this?

[theking]

Bump.

[theking]

Does anyone have any information about the "Newt's" statements?

[The Truth Hurts]

it's not a secret... he's admitted doing so.

[mardigras]

Why would Kerry have to go to Paris to speak with Vietnamese? He was IN Vietnam.

[mardigras]

I spoke to a Vietnamese the other day... are you going to insist I pay too?

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by mardigras
I spoke to a Vietnamese the other day... are you going to insist I pay too?

if you're negotiating treaties with the enemy when it's not your fucking place to do so.... yes.

[MikeHawk]

Originally posted by mardigras
Why would Kerry have to go to Paris to speak with Vietnamese? He was IN Vietnam.

Its ok, I know it hard to believe huh? Sad but true, he is an asshole and 42% of america does not see it?

[theking]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
it's not a secret... he's admitted doing so.

Tonight was the first that I have heard about this. How could that be possible...as I pay attention? How could this info gotten below my radar? Anyone have links to more info about this?

[theking]

Originally posted by mardigras
Why would Kerry have to go to Paris to speak with Vietnamese? He was IN Vietnam.

Because the peace talks between the US and North Vietnam were being held in paris.

[theking]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
if you're negotiating treaties with the enemy when it's not your fucking place to do so.... yes.

He of course would not have any power to negotiate any type of treaty...but if it is true that he was even talking with them in Paris...is on the verge of being treason...just the same as Jane Fonda was skirting treason when she went to North Vietnam.

[piker]

Originally posted by theking
Because the peace talks between the US and North Vietnam were being held in paris.

If I remember correctly what I've heard and it was in fact true... Kerry was leading the committee's to get Vietanam POW's home. Or so was the commitee's purpose...

I've heard that he did alot of covering up for the vietnamese so they wouldnt have to turn back POW's. His motivation for this was something about moving relations forward...

Again, I dont know how true it is... But it makes more sense then Michael Moore's films giving Kerry's well documented position on vietnam vets after the war...

[The Truth Hurts]

it's gonna get a lot worse for Kerry shortly.

swift-boat ads were just a precursor.

[piker]

Originally posted by piker
If I remember correctly what I've heard and it was in fact true... Kerry was leading the committee's to get Vietanam POW's home. Or so was the commitee's purpose...

I've heard that he did alot of covering up for the vietnamese so they wouldnt have to turn back POW's. His motivation for this was something about moving relations forward...

Again, I dont know how true it is... But it makes more sense then Michael Moore's films giving Kerry's well documented position on vietnam vets after the war...

If you want more information, I think read this on http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com

If someone does research this id be interested in the findings as well. So keep us posted...

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
it's gonna get a lot worse for Kerry shortly.

swift-boat ads were just a precursor.

Have any scoops?? Any ideas?? I am curious....

[theking]

Originally posted by piker
If I remember correctly what I've heard and it was in fact true... Kerry was leading the committee's to get Vietanam POW's home. Or so was the commitee's purpose...

I've heard that he did alot of covering up for the vietnamese so they wouldnt have to turn back POW's. His motivation for this was something about moving relations forward...

Again, I dont know how true it is... But it makes more sense then Michael Moore's films giving Kerry's well documented position on vietnam vets after the war...

Are you possibly referring to the Senate Committee that Senator Kerry was on when they were investigating MIA's and the possibility that POW's were left behind? He was deeply involved in talks with Vietnam during this period and wanted to resolve the MIA and POW issue so that normal relations could be restored with Vietnam.

Or are you referring to some group that was opposed to the war making some kind of effort to get POW's returned while the war was still in progress?

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Mike AI
Have any scoops?? Any ideas?? I am curious....

just this quote:

The John Kerry camp should be careful about how much mud it flings. According
to media sources in New York for the campaign, a number of national media
outlets have already completed or close to completing several major
investigations into possible Kerry fundraising irregularities, as well as what
one media source calls "devastating" stories of Kerry's time in Paris when he
was meeting with Communist Vietnamese officials.

"Americans have no idea what Kerry was doing during that time in Paris," says a
journalist. "It makes the Swift Boat ads look lightweight by comparison."

[theking]

Originally posted by piker
If you want more information, I think read this on http://www.vietnamveteransagainstkerry.com

If someone does research this id be interested in the findings as well. So keep us posted...

The link doesn't work for me...maybe it is temporarily down.

[piker]

Originally posted by theking
Are you possibly referring to the Senate Committee that Senator Kerry was on when they were investigating MIA's and the possibility that POW's were left behind? He was deeply involved in talks with Vietnam during this period and wanted to resolve the MIA and POW issue so that normal relations could be restored with Vietnam.

Or are you referring to some group that was opposed to the war making some kind of effort to get POW's returned while the war was still in progress?

The senate committee, I remember reading that he ignored citizen and military reports about more remaining POW's in order to further relations...

[piker]

Originally posted by theking
The link doesn't work for me...maybe it is temporarily down.

Works for me.. interesting who's your isp?

heres another link with similar content...

not sure if it has anythinga bout this issue

http://www.newsmax.com/hottopics/Sen_John_Kerry.shtml

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by theking
The link doesn't work for me...maybe it is temporarily down.

must be the freedom of speech loving left wing again taking down any speech they don't agree with with a ddos.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
just this quote:

The John Kerry camp should be careful about how much mud it flings. According
to media sources in New York for the campaign, a number of national media
outlets have already completed or close to completing several major
investigations into possible Kerry fundraising irregularities, as well as what
one media source calls "devastating" stories of Kerry's time in Paris when he
was meeting with Communist Vietnamese officials.

"Americans have no idea what Kerry was doing during that time in Paris," says a
journalist. "It makes the Swift Boat ads look lightweight by comparison."

First time me hearing about the VietComs....

This is VERY troubkling. How can this guy get this far being a commie? Reagan must be flipping over in his grave - the commies may win after all!

[theking]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
just this quote:

The John Kerry camp should be careful about how much mud it flings. According
to media sources in New York for the campaign, a number of national media
outlets have already completed or close to completing several major
investigations into possible Kerry fundraising irregularities, as well as what
one media source calls "devastating" stories of Kerry's time in Paris when he
was meeting with Communist Vietnamese officials.

"Americans have no idea what Kerry was doing during that time in Paris," says a
journalist. "It makes the Swift Boat ads look lightweight by comparison."

I think I understood Newt to say that he had been told...by President Nixon not to go...and went in secret three different times. If he went at all while the war was still going on...for whatever reason...to me that is outrageous.

[piker]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
must be the freedom of speech loving left wing again taking down any speech they don't agree with with a ddos.

Seems the content of the page has changed since i last read it 4 months or so ago. It doesnt have the articles it once did... I remember reading for hours once night link through link about just how unfit kerry is for command.. and the supposed un-honorable things he actual did and stands for...

But, it could be all propaganda.. as the moveon.org people sling at bush....

[piker]

Originally posted by Mike AI
First time me hearing about the VietComs....

This is VERY troubkling. How can this guy get this far being a commie? Reagan must be flipping over in his grave - the commies may win after all!

The thing about kerry is the only way he wins if america hates bush so much.... and it might not just be kerry.. it could be democrats in general.. which is why moveon.org and so on get so much funding... i think its 80% more then republicans.. for 527's etc....

if kerry had to stand on his own without bush haters it would be a landslide... its kind of sickening...

[theking]

Originally posted by piker
Seems the content of the page has changed since i last read it 4 months or so ago. It doesnt have the articles it once did... I remember reading for hours once night link through link about just how unfit kerry is for command.. and the supposed un-honorable things he actual did and stands for...

But, it could be all propaganda.. as the moveon.org people sling at bush....

I am not a Republican and I have voted in every Presidential election since I have been old enough to vote. I have stated on this board that for the first time I may not vote in this election because I do not like Senator Kerry's Senate voting record on the military...military R&D...and defense spending in general. In addition he is all over the board about issues in general. If it turns out to be true that he was secretly talking with the Vietnamese in Paris...that would be the straw that broke the camels back for me. I will not be voting in this election if this is true.

[piker]

Originally posted by theking
I am not a Republican and I have voted in every Presidential election since I have been old enough to vote. I have stated on this board that for the first time I may not vote in this election because I do not like Senator Kerry's Senate voting record on the military...military R&D...and defense spending in general. In addition he is all over the board about issues in general. If it turns out to be true that he was secretly talking with the Vietnamese in Paris...that would be the straw that broke the camels back for me. I will not be voting in this election if this is true.

did, you catch arnolds speech the other night? I think he made alot of good points that basically everyone in this country that like the way they live their life should be a republican...

but, i also understand why someone might have issues with some of the agenda of the republican party...

[theking]

Originally posted by piker
did, you catch arnolds speech the other night? I think he made alot of good points that basically everyone in this country that like the way they live their life should be a republican...

but, i also understand why someone might have issues with some of the agenda of the republican party...

Yes...I saw Arnolds speech...and yes I have major issues with many of the Republican's positions...not so much with moderate Republicans...but I also have always had issues with some of the Democrat's positions...and do not agree with ultra liberal Democrats on many positons. My political stance is basically that of a moderate with slight liberal leanings.

[EscortBiz]

and bush went to saudi to speak with...

come on its a presidential race we wont know much till right before election

[piker]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
and bush went to saudi to speak with...

come on its a presidential race we wont know much till right before election

Stop repeating Moore and move-on's lies please.... We are talking about facts that can be proven without conspiracy theories here...

[theking]

Well...I just saw a replay and Newt did not say that President Nixon told Senator Kerry not to go. What he did say was that Senator Kerry went without co-ordinating/approval of the Nixon administration and did in fact go in secret three different times.

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by theking
Well...I just saw a replay and Newt did not say that President Nixon told Senator Kerry not to go. What he did say was that Senator Kerry went without co-ordinating/approval of the Nixon administration and did in fact go in secret three different times.

great....


I don't want to vote,now..

[SleazeQueen]

Originally posted by piker
Stop repeating Moore and move-on's lies please.... We are talking about facts that can be proven without conspiracy theories here...

Hey Pot, it's Kettle. You're black!

WTF!? Are you seriously saying that there are no lies in the Swift Boat Veterans ads, or that Bush has never lied, or that the Republicans never twist statistics and polls in their favor? Sure.

The only part of that article that bothers me is that it all comes from "media sources in NYC for the convention". Who is this media? For all we know, it could be from some whacko right wing tin foil hat wearing lunatic with a blog.

[theking]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
great....


I don't want to vote,now..

Damn. Well you could cast a vote for Nader???

[Honeyslut]

Originally posted by theking
Damn. Well you could cast a vote for Nader???

Nah, I wasted it on him last time. LOL


I won't vote for the Bush....

[theking]

Originally posted by Honeyslut
Nah, I wasted it on him last time. LOL


I won't vote for the Bush....

Unless something happens to change my mind before election day...I do not think...that in all good conscience...I can vote.

[titmowse]

"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas National Guard ... I got a lot of other people in the National Guard because I thought that was what people should do when you're in office, and you help a lot of rich people." Recalling a recent visit to the Vietnam Memorial, Barnes added, "I looked at the names of the people that died in Vietnam, and I became more ashamed of myself than I have ever been, because it was the worst thing I ever did, was help a lot of wealthy supporters and a lot of people who had family names of importance get into the National Guard. And I'm very sorry about that, and I'm very ashamed."
- Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes


http://video.buzzflash.com/barnes/Ba...Patriotism.mp4

[Centurion]

Originally posted by piker
Stop repeating Moore and move-on's lies please.... We are talking about facts that can be proven without conspiracy theories here...

Yeah..RIGHT!

The 'pubes love their insinunation political attacks!
Who cares if it it's true or not? As long as you get some people to start thinking it COULD be true!

[johnbosh]

not true

[theking]

Originally posted by Centurion
Yeah..RIGHT!

The 'pubes love their insinunation political attacks!
Who cares if it it's true or not? As long as you get some people to start thinking it COULD be true!

Truth does not prevail with either party...comprende?

[mardigras]

Originally posted by theking
Unless something happens to change my mind before election day...I do not think...that in all good conscience...I can vote.

Then you'll have no right to complain here for 4 years

[theking]

Originally posted by mardigras
Then you'll have no right to complain here for 4 years

Your statement is incorrect.

[hottoddy]

Originally posted by theking
Well...I just saw a replay and Newt did not say that President Nixon told Senator Kerry not to go. What he did say was that Senator Kerry went without co-ordinating/approval of the Nixon administration and did in fact go in secret three different times.

Yep. If true, this will probably leak as the effect of the Swift Boat truths wane. I'm starting to think Bush will win by 5-8% and possibly get a mandate.

Kerry - The Dukakis of 04

[piker]

Originally posted by SleazeQueen
Hey Pot, it's Kettle. You're black!

WTF!? Are you seriously saying that there are no lies in the Swift Boat Veterans ads, or that Bush has never lied, or that the Republicans never twist statistics and polls in their favor? Sure.

The only part of that article that bothers me is that it all comes from "media sources in NYC for the convention". Who is this media? For all we know, it could be from some whacko right wing tin foil hat wearing lunatic with a blog.

How about you do some research or STFU.... the Swift Boat Vets have nothing to do with with this thread.... No one is claiming they are factual... And no one is spouting there talking points... The only group that seems persistent on repeating lies as if they were true are democrats... When has Bush lied to you? WMD's, so he passed on information that 90% of the world thought to be true. Even John Kerry said publicy Iraq had WMD's.... What else do you got?

We arent talking about statistics or polls, we are talking about treason. When the most liberal/communist senator is making a run for the commander of the army. But, he doesnt want to arm the army with weapons, or fund intelligence....

If John Kerry had his choice America would mirror Canada... Public Healthcare, high taxes.... no military.... And taking orders from everyone else in the world...

If that sounds appealing to you, Why wait for America to do that? Just move to canada...

[Dead13]

Kerry was asked by Congress to go to Paris and begin talks to gather ideas of what they had in mind and to come back home and deliver a full report.

And if your looking for Newt's credibility on any issue lets remember he resigned his position as speaker because he was going through a divorce after his wife caught him on several occasions picking up hookers and excessive drinking WHILE AT THE SAME TIME, having Clinton impeached for having an affair.

GO NEWT! Always a great source of alcholic, adulteris, credible news

[hottoddy]

Originally posted by piker
...

If John Kerry had his choice America would mirror Canada... Public Healthcare, high taxes.... no military.... And taking orders from everyone else in the world...

If that sounds appealing to you, Why wait for America to do that? Just move to canada...

So true, and that's sadly what many GFYers want. In fact, many have stated here they're moving to Canada if GWB gets four more years. Good riddance ... just make sure to take Alec Baldwin with you this time.

[Dead13]

Originally posted by piker
How about you do some research or STFU.... the Swift Boat Vets have nothing to do with with this thread.... No one is claiming they are factual... And no one is spouting there talking points... The only group that seems persistent on repeating lies as if they were true are democrats... When has Bush lied to you? WMD's, so he passed on information that 90% of the world thought to be true. Even John Kerry said publicy Iraq had WMD's.... What else do you got?

We arent talking about statistics or polls, we are talking about treason. When the most liberal/communist senator is making a run for the commander of the army. But, he doesnt want to arm the army with weapons, or fund intelligence....

If John Kerry had his choice America would mirror Canada... Public Healthcare, high taxes.... no military.... And taking orders from everyone else in the world...

If that sounds appealing to you, Why wait for America to do that? Just move to canada...

Actually maybe YOU should gets your facts straight before posting.

John Kerry said yesterday that he DID NOT favor public healthcare. He favors a healthcare system accesible to all Americans no matter what income levels they are at and by doing it through the same insurance companies that exist today.

He is not opposed to funding the military, he is opposed to giving Bush a blank check worth 40 billion dollars to go straight into Haliburton's pocket and believe me the military would have never seen a dime of that money.

He is opposed to higher taxes, he thinks the burden needs to be shifted to those WHO CAN FUCKING AFFORD TO PAY THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!

If you want to live in a country where the poorest American's are forced to bare the impossible buren of supporting the rich pieces of shit so they don't have to pay taxes then I say YOU are guilty of Treason against your country.


OOO ya and try this, the reason anybody ever said there were WMD in Iraq is because BUSH FUCKING TOLD US THERE WERE!!!!!!

[piker]

Originally posted by titmowse
"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas National Guard ... I got a lot of other people in the National Guard because I thought that was what people should do when you're in office, and you help a lot of rich people." Recalling a recent visit to the Vietnam Memorial, Barnes added, "I looked at the names of the people that died in Vietnam, and I became more ashamed of myself than I have ever been, because it was the worst thing I ever did, was help a lot of wealthy supporters and a lot of people who had family names of importance get into the National Guard. And I'm very sorry about that, and I'm very ashamed."
- Former Texas Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes


http://video.buzzflash.com/barnes/Ba...Patriotism.mp4

Yes, almost everyone with money and or influence dodged the draft, including more then 1 president... If it is your biggest requirement that a president serve in vietnam, then you should vote for kerry. Because that is the only thing Kerry can claim in this election and that is why he spent he Democratic Convention pointing that out and ignoring his record for the last 20 years...

But, the problem is... even for people that think serving honorably in the Vietnam War is more important then issues... Is that John Kerry came home while his troops where still fighting. And when he saw all the protests and disgust for the war here. He didn't stand up for his troops he stabbed them in the back and called them rapists' and murders....

Not only that, there are claims that he went to Paris, to talk to the vietnamese before the war was over. Newt Gingrich said he verified this with a Sr. Nixon Adminstrator... Someone that would know... Not only after that, there are claims that he left POW's to be tortured and murderd more in Vietnam when he was on or leading the Senate Committee overseeing the return of these hostages. (These are only claims, haven't been proven yet) But, does any of this surprise you giving his record. He don't want national security. He wants to depend on the world for our national security. Which would be great if there werent terrorist that hate us so much they are willing to attack our citizens anywhere and everywhere.

When people talk about terror, liberals claim then are trying to use fear for politcal gains. This simply is not true. I am not afraid of terrorist. I am afraid of John Kerrys ideas to make us dependent on Nations with their own agendas...

[theking]

Originally posted by Dead13
Kerry was asked by Congress to go to Paris and begin talks to gather ideas of what they had in mind and to come back home and deliver a full report.

Are you speaking about the time that Senator Kerry was a Senator sitting on a Senate Committee investigating MIA's and possible left behind POW's...or are you saying that the Congress during the Nixon Presidency authorized a private citizen (citizen Kerry) opposed to the war in Vietnam to go to Paris and talk with the Vietnamese peace negotiators (which I view as being a very unlikely scenario)?

[Dead13]

Originally posted by theking
Are you speaking about the time that Senator Kerry was a Senator sitting on a Senate Committee investigating MIA's and possible left behind POW's...or are you saying that the Congress during the Nixon Presidency authorized a private citizen (citizen Kerry) opposed to the war in Vietnam to go to Paris and talk with the Vietnamese peace negotiators (which I view as being a very unlikely scenario)?

Thats to bad because its what happened, by the Congresse's account anyway, don't take my word for it, look it up.

You also seem to forget it was Kerry's work with Congress to help end the war that got him into politics in the first place.