Volantt

It happened a plane hit the Pentagon, and I lost a family friend who was at work.

50 dead terrorists

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Tom_PMs

Ok. You can tell it was the airliner because it was hijacked. All the people on board have families. They all died when their hijacked airliner slammed into the Pentagon dammit. C'mon, you're an intelligent person.

Some people still believe that it's impossible for humans to survive outside of the Earths atmosphere for goodness sakes. They think not only was the moon landing faked, but the unblocked cosmic radiation would strip your flesh clean off after destroying the craft. They say theres no way for the film used to film it to have survived the trip either..

Hate to say this one, but Lee Oswald was the lone gunman. There is zero evidence to the contrary. Only peoples ideas. You can't point to anything that disputes it because you can't do a test full of the andreneline he would have had pumping through him to get off those shots.. A commitee doesnt determine anything but their opinion. The whole UN thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction too. Some of them simply wanted physical *proof* before authorizing an invasion. But our whole freaking country was convinced, werent we? And our conspiracy theories were wrong.

Interesting side note. Dan Rather was there at the Kennedy assasination. And Dan Rather interviewed Sadam Hussein the day (or two) before the invasion began.. *cue creepy music*

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VeriSexy

Fletch is a true American, he is one of the few with the balls to stand up against the government and I bet he would fight for his rights........ I believe it is very Anti American to not look at this closely, Do you really have a close image of the plane hitting the Pentagon? All I see is a white flash and a explosion. I don't see Flight 77 clearly. Maybe there is another video that I didn't see?

Until people start asking questions and demand answers and real footage, there will be no justice for the ones that died............

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VeriSexy

Can you honestly say that really is flight 77? All I saw was a white flash followed by a explosion. That is the worst possible angle you can possibly use.

I have seen amateur porn videos with much higher quality than this.

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Doctor Dre

same here ... never seen the pics

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crowkid

Don't try to explain the truth to these people.... They desperately seek, so viciously, and hope and pray that we can prove that George Bush directed those planes into towers to kill so many of us....These people are misinformed, misguided, and simply misled.......................Let the conspiracy theorists spit freely, they make themselves look so incredibly moronic without even us saying anything

VeriSexy

And the footages on CNN that everyone saw was nothing but a white flash and a explosion. Do you clearly see the plane?

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VeriSexy

Read what Eros and Fletch said, they are not professional analyst but they deal with graphics, videos and pictures all the time. They see things better than we do. If they can't really tell that it was really flight 77 than how can you be so sure?

They both see a white flash like me, that footage is crap and should not be used as evidence of what kind of plane hit the pentagon.

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VeriSexy

Do you guys really know how huge a 757 is???

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TurboTrucker

Too bad video is so crappy.

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bhutocracy

[feeding the trolls]
No the reason bush will win is because people like you are semi-illiterate with the reading comprehension levels of a 5 year old - no one mentioned the twin towers dimwit - way to make yourself look stupid - can't even muster up the intelligence to slam "easy kill" conspiracy theorists *sigh* poor troll..
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VeriSexy

Like I said, I have seen amateur porn video with better quality.

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garce

I'm not reading any further than this. Baddog sums this up perfectly for me. I am furious that some people can actually believe otherwise.

Fucking beyond belief.

Although I'm neither conservative nor American, the reason I dislike Bush is because the terrorist threat should have been removed the day after 9/11. The war should still not be going on. Half the world should have been levelled and paved over by now. I do not give a fuck about WMD, nor do I care about religious beliefs. What I do care about is every person's right to live a free life without fear of senseless harm to one's family or country.

I lost a good friend on one of those planes, and I will never forgive or forget.

I'm ashamed my country only supports American forces in Iraq behind closed doors - and then even on a token level. I'm ashamed that our once powerful country can no longer defend itself. I'm ashamed that the Canadian media gives so much press to pathetic politicians who constantly insult America, Amercan citizens and friends of America.

At times, I'm ashamed to be Canadian. What I believe to be the greatest, most beautiful country on earth is being decimated by level after level of self-serving, back-stabbing, corrupt politicians.

No-one can tell me that Americans are not my brothers, my sisters, my best friends. Those are the people I stand up for.


P.S. For those of you that don't believe it . . . please get a vasectomy or kill yourself.

P.P.S. Thanks for reading - of you did.

NickPapageorgio

Check this link.

Yeah just a bunch of coincidences is all. You guys who refuse to ever question the things you are spoon fed really amaze me. Yeah you're right, Lee Harvey was the lone gunman and you don't tug supermans cape. Heaven forbid you listen to any type of thought other than the one the government gave you. Fucking idiots. Check that link and get back to me about how what happened on September 11, 2001 is a cut and dry case. You won't read it but I challenge you to the task anyway. Read the entire thing and read the accompanying links that are provided and then tell me that people who question the governments version of the truth are morons.

<Insert idiotic "I'm not readin' all that shit cause it's just stupid liberal BS...FUCK YOU TREE HUGGER" comment here if you would like. I really don't give a shit. A third grade mentality spews third grade responses and I understand that.>

Until you read what is in that link you have no room to run your fucking mouths. I refuse to say that September 11 was a full on conspiracy, but I will say that something fishy went down that day. The numbers don't lie about certain issues. If these are all coincidences then I should have played the fucking lottery that day.

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crowkid

Damn check this guy out!!! Out of all the intelligence gathering our agencies did in this country, this fucking guy knows something that no one else knows!!! He must know where the people on those flights are located, hiding in a cave somewhere, just waiting to come out and expose the governments coverup!!! This guy should apply for the FBI DEFINITELY, ROCK HARD SOLID EVIDENCE!!

NickPapageorgio

Exactly my point you fucking moron. Did you follow the link at all? No? There are credible news links in there bro. I am talking Washington Post, New York times etc. I never staked a claim to knowing more than anyone else or having "Secret" evidence you fucking tool. I simply stated that before you start spouting what your version of facts is, look at both sides. Can you not read or did the post just go over your head?

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NickPapageorgio

And btw...you gave that link exactly 3 minutes before you responded. That's about what I expect ed though. No reading, no investigation on your own, no looking at any other side of the story. Enjoy a life full of doing what you're told and believing everything you hear.

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garce

Ok, I lied about reading more...

Speaking of trial, judge and jury, please remember that there are about 1 billion people in the middle east who would join a street party and dance and celebrate after finding out that your head was cut off with a dull blade, or that your family was slowly burned to death, or that an entire city full of your friends and neighbours was incinerated by leaking, burning jet fuel that trapped them in their places of work. Trapped in a small office while the air gets hotter and the walls fall down and people scream all around them and being unable to move the tiny spot they're standing in because ITS JUST TOO FUCKING HOT. Imagine watching the television and seeing your mother's place of work burn and collapse.

Imagine me handing you a plane ticket to Baghdad. You can go talk about it over there.

Please be professional and mature while you slowly burn to death or fall 80 stories to the ground.

Fuck you, fuck your tinfoil hat spin, and fuck the horse you rode in on. Bitch.

garce

They'll be coming out of the ship in Close Encounters IX|XI

In theatres 9/11/05.

NickPapageorgio

Who said anything about there being no people onboard the flights? I love how words are put into my fucking mouth. I understand your passion on the subject but I cannot understand your stubbornness to FUCKING READ another viewpoint. It amazes me. It's like you are all little kids in the sand with your lip poked out and your arms crossed screaming that you DO NOT LIKE BROCCOLI no matter WHAT someone tells you it tastes like.

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garce

Maybe you should start with the Abe Lincoln/JFK coincidences and work your way up from there.

Did you know that Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy and that Kennedy had a secretary named Lincoln?

No? Ok, go amuse yourself for the next 14 years.

baddog

fuck, I don't know why I bother reading/responding to these things

Did you not watch the news? do you ever watch anything besides the Simpson's on TV? Did you not see the damage? Have you never seen the jets?

Did Bush blow the hole nto the Pentagon?

toddler

Liar!

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NickPapageorgio

Well for one, I don't disagree with what the proposed version of the story of 9/11 is. However, I don't disagree with the other version(s) either. I simply stated that I feel something fishy went down that day due to what I have read on the subject. Nothing more. Not because of a political party nor because someone told me it to be true or anything else. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOUR STANDPOINT. I simply will not go along in life without questioning what is told to me to be truth by my government and media. Is that the wrong way to be??? Should I just go along with everything I am told to believe???

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garce

I've read other viewpoints and I've formulated my own opinion. I DO like broccoli, btw. I had it tonight with my chicken. Spray a bit of that "I can't believe its not butter" stuff on it and its good to go.

Still, its way too late for you or anyone else to change my opinion.

baddog

Fuck me . . . .next time the terrorists should notify NBC so they can have a camera crew in place to catch all the angles to satisfy you

garce

Sorry

baddog

^see above^

then go kill yourself . . . . please

baddog

do you know how big the pentagon is?

baddog

are you a chick?

The Heron

What The Hell is this thread on about?? I thought it was an old bumped thread... but no apparently some bored moron is still wondering wtf happened 3 years ago? jezz get a life!

Like someone else said, cut your balls off and kill yourself please. This is stupid to waste time being paranoid about.

garce

You're wimping out and not arguing the salient points.

I do not believe the whole story, either. I don't like George all that much. I don't believe him. I wonder whether the American government might have known about it before hand, took it too lightly, and did not act in time...

That may be what happened, BUT it does not diminish what happened in any way, shape or form. The people that threaten innocent civilians have to be removed.

It is black and white. If you kill innocent people because of what you believe in, your beliefs are not valid, nor are they strong enough to sustain themselves. Your beliefs are dead, and can only be maintained by negative actions.

Crap, I'm too tired to go on. Need sleep. Ever read Clive Barker's "Books of Blood"? Specifically, the intro to the series. Just curious.

garce

Will that be the five minute or ten minute argument?

garce

You know if a chick is named VeriSexy, she's either 400 lbs or a man who weighs 400 lbs.

NickPapageorgio

Duly noted but does it not bother you and make you a tad suspicious that the people who killed the innocent people were IN BED with the people who had them removed months if not only weeks before? That bothers me for some reason. I dunno why.

No I haven't read any Clive Barker stuff. Is it good? The last book I read was Global Brain by Howard Bloom. Before that it was The Soldier's Story by Ron Steinman. Why?

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NickPapageorgio

Anyway, I need sleep. Hit my ICQ about the Clive Barker thing. You have peaked my interest now. I want to know what that has to do with the convo to this point lol. 327301858

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xxxdesign-net

interesting.. why havent they released the video.. and worst.. why did they confiscated all the videos..? None of the videos showing the WTC attack has been confiscated...

But then again... what would be the reason for a cover up..?

VeriSexy

The American goverment has done allot to piss off allot of people. Do you ever see people burn Canadian flags? That's a whole other issue.

"Imagine me handing you a plane ticket to Baghdad. You can go talk about it over there."

I am still surprised people still think Iraq had anything to do with 911

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VeriSexy

LOL since when did the news show video of flight 77 clearly flying into the Pentagon.

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VeriSexy

LOL most shopping malls have tons of cameras including outside parking lot's. I remember when there was purse a snatching at a parking lot outside a shopping center and the news release video of a lady holding onto her purse while she was dragged ten feet.

Now imagine my local shopping center having more surveillance cameras than "The Pentagon" One of the most important buildings in the US.

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gwilkins

Please go back to high school and pay more attention in Physics. It obviously wasn't a missle...

stevo

You think they would of had more footage from the Pentagon... My small town Walmart has 20 cameras on the roof!

WarChild

Nobody has ever summed up my exact thoughts on this subject any better. Myself included.

VeriSexy

I guess even Walmart has more video cameras than the Pentagon

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kenny

The file is rather large 250kb

This is the best I can do with the video

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kenny

I have a bigger and better one.. but I am not posting it because it's 3mb in size

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reynold

how come you only posted it now?

kenny

Well I did post a link to the orginal video.

They said it wasn't good enough because they couldnt really make out the plane.

While its hard to see the plane this is the best/small version I can make.

I have a much larger version. I played with the color levels and while doing so I could clearly see the outline of a plane

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masterE

Do any of you theorists know exactly how big the pentagon is? This isn't some 7-eleven down the street, this building is huge, and yes, a commercial airliner will look very small next to this building.

The height of the pentagon is 77ft 3.5 in
The TOTAL height of a 757 is only 44 ft 6 in.
That includes the TAIL. The HULL of the plane is only about 35 feet high. So, we have a "small object" hitting a HUGE building, please do the math.

Here, I'll even show you that conspiracy theorists prove their own point wrong, look at the pic below (from This site ) and see for yourself, their super-imposed image clearly shows all the damage that a 757 would do if it hit a HIGHLY reinforced government structure, including the damage causd to the lower floor by the wings.


Think about it, this is the pentagon, the nerve center of our defenses, do you think this thing is going to be made out of lego blocks? No, read the stats about the pentagon structure here

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VeriSexy

So what is your theory on what happened? First the plane hit then detonation of explosives?

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