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50 poker questions...

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Muff

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jojojo

ok playing limit - of any size...

1. list your starting hands you play from what position please.

2. list some common situations where you would muck before the flop with certain hands.

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Snake Doctor

Speaking of the "math" of poker....maybe someone here knows the answer to these questions, I can't seem to find the info on the web.

Say you're in the big blind with 52s, four limpers and you check.
You flop a flush draw and make the flush on the turn.

What are the odds that someone else in the hand has a higher flush? (Holding TWO cards of the same suit....I'm not talking about 4 flush boards)

I tend to not bet/call with baby flushes, but I've had top two pair or a set get cracked by a baby flush more times than I care to remember.

Also, in stud hi/lo.....what % of the time is there no qualifying low hand and the high hand scoops?

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brand0n

the magic 8 ball says

yes.

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Muff

5/13 (diamonds we'll say) gone. unknown cards 46. The only combination you could beat would be 34 diamonds. Assuming they aren't on the board. So remove one of those as outs. So one player at the table has 7 outs with 46 unknown cards. 7/46 = 15.2% chance one person has a flush that can beat you.

I think I did that right.

SpaceAce

1:
In a loose-passive game (not a lot of raising but lots of people seeing every flop), I will play most suited Broadway cards and AX suited from just about anywhere. In middle position I start adding things like 67-89s if there are limpers in front of me and no raise likely behind me. I will also limp with any small pair if the game is loose and passive.

In a more aggressive game I dump hands like KJ, QJs, AXs from early position. In a really bad (tough) game, I throw away AJ in early position, too. I start adding suited connectors and AXs when I am in later position and there are already limpers in front of me. If there is only one limper or it folds to me in late position, I raise hands like KJ instead of mucking them.

AA-99 I play from any position in almost any game. I'll three-bet these hands if there is a raise in front of me and cap with AA-QQ and (often) AKs, sometimes AKo depending on game conditions. Small pairs hit the muck from early position.


2:
AA and KK I never muck pre-flop in a limit game.

AJ/KJ I usually muck to any raise unless I know the raiser has loose raising standards. In that case, I three-bet if I can isolate the raiser. Also, if I have money in and it's raised behind me I will call and see the flop. Since I usually raise hands like this coming in, I usually have two bets in and need to pay one more to see the flop when I am reraised so I am often getting good odds.

A2-AT just get dumped from any position unless it is folded to me in the cutoff or on the button where I might raise A8 on up.

KX/QX/JX get mucked from anywhere unless they are connected in which case I might play from late position with enough people in the pot ahead of me.

AQ I will muck if it comes around to me capped (unless I already have three bets in) or if the action is three-bet before it gets to me.

KQo I usually muck to an early position raise. I always muck KQo if it comes to me raised and reraised unless I am only calling one bet and closing the action.

KQs I muck for two cold unless the raise came from late position or a loose raiser in which case I will often three-bet if I have better position than the raiser.

Any small pair gets mucked for two cold unless I am getting huge pot odds.

SpaceAce

Snake Doctor

Ok so if your math is right then the baby flush will hold up about 5 times out of 6. (assuming a non paired board)

That's definitely worth playing aggressively and paying off the higher flush 1 time out of 6.

Thanks

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railz

Quick post before I head back to work. You've forgotten to add in the possibility of a four-suit board and someone holding the lone high card for the flush.

Also you can't remove two cards simply because they would be the hand that you can beat - it's a possible hand or turn/river card.

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Muff

That's a good point. But I'm assuming he only wanted to know the odds on the turn card when he hit it.

Wasn't removing the two cards. Only saying that the only possibly flush he could have that would lose would be those two cards. So that means anyone of those cards and 6 others would make a winner. The unknown at the time would be 46 cards and 7 possible outs.