preteen-nude-boy

don't they know the sponsors can get in trouble for this or do they just don't care.

Or are they stupid ?

I would say all 3 of them

You are too easy, psyko...


The point is that the thread starter would have posted his info anyway - regardless whether it was in whois or not. This is more than obvious by his post. Let's not overlook that YOU are the one who is making the "whois or not" difference here and citing GFY rules. And not him. I don't see the thread starter mentioning that he is going to post the info "because it was in whois anyway" or anything close to that.

It is also obvious that the reason for starting this thread is that the sponsor felt "pissed off" by the post of that webmaster. For those who've been in this biz for some time. This does happen now and then and is usually caused by sponsors ran by people with problematic anger control and an overall sub-par understanding of this business and business in general.

I don't see the thread starter mentioning that he is going to post the info "because it was in whois anyway". All I see is someone who breaks the probably most important rule in this biz: Do not fucking post personal info. Why else do you think that posting personal info is not allowed on GFY? On a board where everything goes? Because Lensman and most other bigger sponsors have a brain.

All this is obviously nothing than a "response" to an obviously true and balanced post on a board. True, because the sponsor is not accusing the webmaster of not saying the truth in that post. To the contrary, he is confirming his post. Balanced, because there is no swearing at all. Actuall the WM is just posting the bare facts.

That is all what this "special case" is about: That the wm had the nerves to mention - truthfully, and also not denying the circumstances - that this sponsor cancelled his account.

And regarding the C&Ds. No make that "C&D's all over the place":

So he had the correct info in whois. Yet the one getting "C&D's all over the place" is the sponsor, and not the person owning the site?

I dont give a shit what the GFY rules are. Thats not the point.
Program owners giving out this info, however...

Nobody is sticking up for scammers, like I said I dont give a shit what they have or have not done.

I would say these people make more in a week than you do in a year. Easy.

i don't understand this post, what people?

Great for them. You can follow their path.

Will do, bling-bling

keep us updated :-)

50 termed...

Its OK for a webmaster to slam a program but when the tables are turned its not OK to slam a scamming webmaster?

You call this "slamming a program"


Yes, terminated without getting a notice.
WiredGuy, have you ever used expired domains for SE work?
We had an expired domain which was previously used as a childrens book publisher. We heard nothing from them, and we did not know what the site previously had been used for.
Porndollar decided to stop sending checks and give no notice.
As soon as we found out of the problem we blanked the page.
Those are also the facts. Correct?


and you call posting a wm's info "slamming back"?


Are you saying that if someone were to post that he was terminated from a sponsor, say, from pornkings, and he were to post this without hiding the circumstances ("We had an expired domain which was previously used as a childrens book publisher."), that you'd "slam him back" by posting his personal info?

I am just pissed off because you posted what is practically my adress, as this is a mailbox service ;)

you're confusing pornkings with porndollar.

porndollar didn't give out any info that wasn't already readily available to anyone who wanted it.

therefore, it's not private info.

christ, the company in question had a website which had nothing but that specific information on it.

Well it seems some sponsors have already been made aware of this thread, so I thought it was best to make a counterpost.

You have already been told what happened in this case. We jumped on the expired domain bandwagon, when it was possible to use expired
domains and most importantly their high PR. ANYONE with common sense would know we were not going after any possible typeins, but simply
to use the PR for search engine work.

The one domain in question, the french childrens book publisher, was developed with gay keywords.
It was not apparent by looking at the domainname what the domain had previously been used for, at all.
Should we have checked it? Hindsight says yes, ofcourse. But anyone who has bought expired domains back then know the volume of them,
and I doubt you checked them all.

There's no doubt that the most serious issue in our mind is the preteen page.
Here's the story behind that. We used google adwords keyword suggestion tool for the keywords on that domain (and all other domains
we built back then. Domain was created over a year ago.).
As some of you might know, google adwords returns these shitty keywords including lolita, pre teen, etc when you do a suggestion request.
We did not screen them, we should have. There's no way in hell we'd want this kind of traffic, since it brings nothing but trouble, and is
disgusting.
This was never mentioned by porndollar though (We got the communication). The expired domain was the only reason given. That is what prompted us to ask you why you had
cancelled us. The pre teen issue is a breach yes, but since our login was removed we had no idea. You've made everyone aware now ofcourse...

3 times have we been made aware of this problem with bad keyword generated html pages. Again, Porndollar never mentioned this though. His reason
for terminating us was the problems with the french publicist. Nothing else.
But as I said, 3 times have we had this problem. On all occasions the sponsors told us to take care of the problem. Delete those html
pages or they wouldn't accept our traffic anylonger. Ofcourse we deleted the pages instantly and all other even remotely questionable
keywords we could find.
We've tried to screen them all, but we have thousands of domainnames and it's very very
difficult to find them all. No excuse, just a fact.

We had a domainname that in no way gave any clues as to what it had been used for.
We used it to create search engine traffic. The nichespecific traffic from the search engines was sent to PornDollar.
Problem was ofcourse that the typeins also got to porndollar.

So in conclusion I guess I would suggest you add this to your terms. Take notice ALL webmasters in the search engine game.

You the webmaster must check that ANY domain you choose to send traffic from has not been previously registered
by any nonadult company or organization.
Failure to do so will result in unnotified termination without pay.
As a consequence we will disclose full account signup info.
We will disclose screenshots of password protected stats that reveals sensible business information.
And all this will be done on major public boards.

Just out of curiousity PornDollar.
I'm assuming you cancelled and refunded all the signups we generated for you?
Since you chose not to pay us for them, I would assume you wouldn't want to be the only one profiting from this
breach of your unmentioned terms (by this I mean the expired domain issue, not the preteen violation, since this was never
given as a reason)?
And finally, MANY big search engine players use, or have used, blog spamming to boost their domain popularity. What would you do if/when
I send examples of blog spamming on a youth related blog? Or any NON-adult blog for that matter? Will you terminate them without pay and
post all the sensitive information on the boards? If so, watch out, you will get busy then, because almost every player on this board has
used, or is using this technique. Including the expired domain tactics...

You said "Wanna fuck with me? I will post this on every webmaster board that I have login to" and posted sensitive business information
after we wanted to know why you hadn't paid the money you owe us. The reason given to us initially was not a breach of your terms.
Do you dispute that?
Then you continued with:
"Your done.

Program Owners.. Please find the following information regarding this webmaster. Please take any precautions into insuring that your
business will not be disrupted by this webmaster.."

You've made you reaction to this confrontation. So will we.

It's not a matter of the information being availible elsewere it's a matter of posting info that are confidential - sponsors just don't post stuff like that.

Re. the case... I don't even think porndollar noticed the preteen stuff as he never mentioned this initially???? Anyway off course preteen etc. is a reason for cancellation NO DOUBT! But this wasn't his reason was it?

you should of paid him up though. Spam traffic is the same shit, but most sponsors accept spam when they say they dont :2 cents:

no point to keep what hes owed, no matter how he sent traffic

It would have been YOUR responsibility to make sure it wasn't frequented by kids. Redirecting a non-adult domain to an adult sponsor is stupid to say the least.

missed the part about the C&D costs, ignore my previous post.

btw if porn dolalr can convert 1:2000 with none adult traffic, im going to start promoting tham. DAMN!

a domain related to a child book publishing biz where traffic is being directed to a gay porn site.......

c&d letters sent to the owner of the company regarding the traffic.......

could be construed as CP in some manner....

owner informs other webasters of this problem and where the problem originated from........


what is the problem here? i didn't see a post about an honest affiliate or one who spammed and was termed, etc..., i see a post about an affiliate who caused a problem and one that could have landed the owners in court.

funny thing is, is that if this happened to anyone of you who are condemming this thread you would have done the same, exact thing.

the hyprocrisy is running rampent.

man, what makes it confidential??? synonyms of confidential are "private" and "secret".

a company's public business address that is available to the entire world is not confidential, secret or private.

i simply can't not understand how so many people would take the scammers side instead of the sponsors side. are you all doing sketchy stuff too and you're worried your address might be posted at some point?

What's your excuse though for still having these non adult domains going to porn sites?