Care to expound on that a little bit ?

I'm a sad fucker.

Yeppirs, I have always been wrong, I am always wrong, I will always be wrong....


(except when I'm right) :Graucho

Yeppir, either by face or by post it does not take long for folks to realize who/what you are :thumbsup

Hey Sarettah,

You do make some pretty valuable points in there ... it is important for newbies to know where to go to get good info.

You also make some not-so-valuable points. I'm not sure when you last visited YNOT, but it is possibly the most newbie friendly board on the web. Sorry, let me rephrase that - most friendly webmaster resource on the net. There is a big difference between somewhere like GFY - a place where people hang out to tell each other to :321GFY and ynot, where we help webmasters build their sites and traffic on a daily basis.

Stereotyping in general is just not a good idea ... another lesson newbies should learn :)

twinkley

I think its poor taste to come spam someone else's board here.

First you tell people how GFY and Ynot and all these other places aren't "newbie friendly" and then you spam another board and tell us that its better than the rest.

That's like putting an article in the New York Times telling all their readers that The Washington Post is a better newspaper and the Times is feeding them lies.

Get your head out of Voltar's ass and go generate your own traffic instead of trying to steal it from other webmaster boards.


:321GFY

Last time I visited YNOT was this morning. I don't remember the last time I posted there. Might never have posted as sarettah.

And as I said earlier, I was not meaning to denigrate other boards. YNOT has a good newbie board, but it is not the main board and yes, it tends to be more newbie friendly than GFY or Oprano.

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Ok. Let me do it this way.

Newbies, all the boards out there are safe. Go there, none of them are trying to make money off of your ass, they are all there as charitable, not for profit organizations and will go out of their way to help you make all sorts of money in this biz even if it costs them money to do so.

All Adult webmasters (especially those that have been here since 94-96) are very interested in your well being and want you to be reaqdy to take over when they leave the business. None of them have anything but your best interests at heart. The web is safer than walking down the street !!!! So come on in, piss on people, no matter who they are, because that is the way to get your name known. Go out and announce to all the boards that you are a newbie, that you have thousands to spend in this business and just ask how best to spend your money out there. You will get some great answers and the adult webmasters union will guarantee that you get what you deserve.

trust me.
:Graucho

Good advice... I was 15 years old when I would lurk around YNot (was the only real consolidated resource site besides Netpond at the time) and knew well enough then to just shut my mouth and open my ears. Nobody EVER questioned my age.

Now at 23 I still try to stick with the same basic principles.

Can't see why it's so hard for young people today to figure out.

:helpme

vnwr.com is indeed a great source for newbies

I have nothing to do with Voltar's board but when I get emails from newbies about the biz I always give them the link there, Tom's Newbie board and Cozy Frog. :)

If it's a good newbie board, why shouldn't he promote it as such?

50 newbies...

You have a right to your opinion, But, I did not SPAM vnwr. I said that is the place I would reccomend for newbies to go learn how to handle themselves in this biz before coming over and making fools of themselves here. I also mentioned Tom's Newbie booster (as Toms) I did not have the url handy or I would have probably posted that too.

I never told folks to stay away from GFY, in fact at some point in there I mentioned it was a fun place and a great place to do business. BUT it is not the best place to go and ask for a site review, learn the ropes on setting up domains and hosting, learn html or any of the other stuff that I see newbies trying to do here all the time. I say this because I see the responses that newbies get on the threads. I say this because I see the scams being perpetuated.

I don't work for Voltar, never have. I have no vested interest there, I am a member, period. The same as here. If you check, you will see that I post over there maybe once a week or so to say hi. So as far as stealing traffic for some perceived gain, I'm not.

Because its against GFY's rules and its also in poor taste.

If a newbie REALLY wants to learn they'll be able to find all the boards.
They're all listed in the search engines and most sponsors have links to all the major resource sites for the newbies to check out.

Just because you have no vested interest doesn't change the fact that it was in poor taste and that you broke the rules.

THAT'S something newbies need to learn, how to follow the rules.
The rules of sponsors, content providers, and webmaster communities like this one.

This board is the best place to start for business.

The most people post here, its filled with people looking to make new business contacts.

Any dumbass too that gets wrapped up in the drama here and does not get anywhere in this industry is just that, a dumbass.

Is this a battle for the noobs? Does sarettah need more newbies at another board for his own use somehow?

Never understood why some people make such an effort to help stupid people who can't help themselves. There is a plethora of info out there on webmaster stuff. All one has to do is go to any major search engine and start there.

Why not just leave the newbies here for fish food, instead of trying to get them to sign up under your ref codes in hopes they might actually succeed and make you beer money.

Quit trying to steal Lensmans noobs. :321GFY

Mentioning something and spamming something are two totally different things.

If Lens or any of the mods have a problem with my post, I am sure they will let me know in some manner or another.

VNWR, Tom's and Cozy have all been mentioned many times on this board by many different people, usually in response to a request by a newbie. I have yet to see one of those threads shut down or any PUBLIC mention by a mod to not do it.

FACT: before a noob comes posting here or any of the other big boards I mentioned (don't want to be spamming here, ya know) They should go to a newbie board and learn the ropes.

FACT: A newbie does not always have the information required to know where to look for information, they don't know necesarilly what they are searching for. For you to assume that everyone out there knows what to look for to get started in this biz is "assumption of prior knowledge", something that should never happen when dealing with noobs (at least if you are actually trying to help them in anyway)

I did not make my post because I am wanting to help all the newbies out there or wanting to promote a specific board in any manner. I have done more than my my share of helping folks get started on the web, I am pretty much done with that for now. I made the post because I hate seeing people get hurt and I am tired of going into threads where I see it happening, so I have stopped doing that too. Therefore I made one post that in the future, if I need to, I can link to here on the board instead of having to repeat shit I have said in the past. Some folks have infinite patience, I am not one of them.

The bottom line is you wouldn't go to ARS's board and tell people that ARS isn't the best place for your traffic, you should send it to Topbucks.

You wouldn't go to Jupiter Hosting's support forum and tell people that Jupiter isn't the best place to host your server, you should be at Phatservers.

And you shouldn't come to a webmaster board and tell people that this isn't the place for them, that another board is better.

If you can't see that then you definitely need a newbie board.


Also, on a side note, you didnt' just mention it....you started a thread and wrote a book about it.

It would be different if someone asked you in a thread and you simply answered their question.

The only referral code I am carrying is in my sig and it is NON Adult. So, no, I am not trying to steal Lenses Noobs or trying to raise beer money. I don't need the beer or the money.

This is probably the best board for making contacts, agreed, if not, it is one of the top three. And once someone knows what they are doing or at least has a clue as to what this biz is about, they should definitely be checking in here on a regular basis.

BUT, if they are asking simple html questions, they should not be here and most of the ersponses they get indicate as much.

No, I only mentioned VNWR and Tom's. Then I offered up some advice to newbies. None of that advice said get out of here, it said this is what to expect. Big difference.

And why do you have such a problem with something that Lens apparently does not have a problem with ? You have a vested interest in making money off of some unknowing newbies ?

Could be because the newbie that survives now is the webmaster that can be partnered with later.

Could be that the newbie that survives now is the one purchasing designs/programming/content later.


Could be that if the newbies do not survive in some manner, then the entire business model that is built around marketing to webmasters eventually fails because there are no new webmasters to market to and the rest already have what they need.

If they are asking simple html questions they need to go back to McDonalds.

Survival of the fittest.

Good luck cradling your noobs to full webmaster maturity. I prefer to deal with those who can find their own way.

Hell I am still waiting for the retarded webmasters who've been around that still don't know html to get the fuck and make way for more serious business people.

im a newbie
can someone tell me how to make money on the internet?

you know so much about the board! and think that we're fools

If you see someone standing in the middle of the road with a truck heading for them, do you assume they know it's coming or do you warn them ?

Wrong. I do not assume anyone is a fool until they show me as much.

Fact is there are newbies that need very little help getting by, they are quite computer literate, that are cynical enough already to know what to watch for.

Then there are others, who need a helping hand to get started.

Those that need the helping hand should not be here or at least should know what to watch for.

Just send traffic to me... The money is delivered right through that little slot on your computer. The one right below the coffee cup holder.

:thumbsup

ah yes, this is very helpful. because of you i shall be rich and own the world

Glad I could help :Graucho

we need a thread that we can link to noobies explaining how to use google. if they knew that, all would be solved

If they are dumb enough to hang out on a busy street and not pay attention to big trucks heading their way then that is one less body sucking up my air.

I suppose you would jump out and stand in front of them? :1orglaugh

I hear sarettah is giving a typing workshop later too. And mouse tutorials.

it be sounding good
where do i signup?

Nope, but I sure as hell would warn them. Once they are aware, it is their problem.

Everybody starts somewhere.

And that is what the newbie boards out there are for. To assume that someone can't make it as a webmaster because they don't know html yet is arrogance pure and simple.

Most of the folks around here were raised with computers. They had them in nursery school through college. Unfortunately, there are a great many folks who are older and didn't have the advantage of the technology that the younger set was raised with. So, there are people who have marketing backgrounds, sales backgrounds, design backgrounds but do not know their way around websites and servers and so forth. Should these folks just be left out ? Don't they have the same right to get in on the internet goldmine that the rest of us do ? Might they not have a great new idea that someone else around here hasn't thought of but don't yet have the technical skills to pull it off ?

jesus fucking christ...

This is the only industry that actually embraces idiots.

Yeah sarettah you are right, everybody should have a chance to make it big with the adult internet.

I'm going to call my Grandma right now and tell her to register for some boards. I expect you personally to help her get listed on the hun.

She worked for the phone company for years, she has her shit together! She deserves a piece of the pie too. Then we can proceed to invite everyone who has ever had any business related job in their life, so they can apply those skills to the adult webmaster industry and make a million bucks too.

I'm so glad you have opened my eyes to this. Thanks for such a great thread.

Bullshit.

Cherry, did you know html when you were born ? Or did you learn it along the way someohow ? Did you just get all your info by osmosis ? Where did it come from ? Somewhere along the way someone turned you on to the fact that there was an internet and that it was available to ANYONE. and you took advantage of that.

Then you want to claim it as your exclusive place, or at least exclusive to the point of folks knowing what they are doing and everyone else can go back to McDonalds.

The average age at the newbie boards is way higher than the average age here by a long shot and that is why I used that as an example.

If someone wants to learn html (or typing or how to use a mouse) someof us will be there to teach them.

Do we have to hand feed them ? No. But they at least need to get pointed towards good information in order to get a good start in this business.

Good thread sarettah, you raise some good points. :thumbsup

i totally agree with you sarettah... and i think cherrylula needs to stfu ;)

good post ...



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Nice for a couple of people to jump into this thread and illustrate sarettah's point :1orglaugh

Since someone brought it up... Try posting a simple question about html, css, ftp, and watch how many people post and don't know the answer...:thumbsup