:glugglug 50 MTV Awards

Most singers in these groups can't sing. When you see them live you realize how much modification went on during the production of their albums in the studio to make them sound half decent. The era of real singers ended decades ago.

But seriously, the same old same old hip hop has been around WAY too long. When one form of music is around too long something new is supposed to come around and destroy it. Hip hop did that originally to disco, then grunge rock killed the hair metal bands, now it's time for something to KILL THIS HIP HOP CRAP which sucks way worse then any of the other forms of music I mentioned. But hey, that's just my opinion. :2 cents:

Under different circumstances I think the bands would have been better than they were on MVA tonite. The setup they used for the MVA was not band friendly at all.

There are still great new songs and bands, you can tell who has talent and who does not. I think the ratio is about the same compared to the 70's.

Personally, I'd have to disagree with that. You or I can't go out, buy a synth and become music stars overnight. It still requires talent, skill, rhythm, etc.

Take Prodigy for instance, my favorite "band". Their considered "electronica" and most of their music is done on synths, samplers, etc. But they have a live drummer, guitarists and vocalists too. Or take Roni Size and the Reprazent, another electronic "band". They backbone of the group is 4 DJs who produce beats on samplers and synths. But they also have a live vocalist, MC, bassist and guitarist.

In my opinion, Roni Size and Liam Howlett (the producer of Prodigy) are musical geniuses, just like Beethoven and Michael Jackson are.

It's all about the medium used. The instruments evolve. Beethoven would have scoffed at Jimi Hendrix's electric guitar. Jimi would have scoffed at Mix Master Mike's turntables. But it's just different music for a different generation.

And although I'm primarily a fan of hip hop and electronic music, I'm actually a fan of music as a whole. I love classical music from centuries ago, I love punk, swing, rock, metal, etc.

The important thing is that you don't confuse your opinion of a musical genre with what that genre actually is. I can listen to a hip hop or techno track and be amazed or amused or taken in by the lyrics and the music the same way I can be by Beethoven's 5th or 9th Symphony or Gilbert and Sullivan's HMS Pinafore or a simple christmas carol.

Sure, music is more commercialized then ever now, but that's the society we live in. Everything is commercialized. EVERYTHING. Did you watch the Olympics? If TV was around in 1780, Mozart would be selling wigs in commercials. If Nike had been around in 1896, the Greek Olympic team would have sported Nike runners.

Hmmmm you're right. I just googled around for it and found that he's not his brother.

Not sure where I read that he was, I think it was a story someplace on the 'California Triad'.

As for Sugar Ray, not sure on his singing I only saw him around Lemonade Brownies days....

However I drank with him once in LA, he damn sure has HOT women jump on him !! :thumbsup

The only artist I can think of that has been consistent and come out with original music, that is real music, is Sheryl Crow. You might not like her particular style of music (mainstream rock), but she's the most talented of artists that immediately comes to mind. But you won't see her on MTV.

Springsteen ROCKS - well, anything before 'Born in the USA'

Other than their sales records, what will these artists be remembered for in say 20-30 years?

I grew up with a wide variety of music - from the Sex Pistols to Pavarotti - but to this day, when I hear the music I can remember the emotion the song brings to me - the songs played today are just one big commercial. If ya got a good jingle, even if your product stinks, people will buy it.

I think this pic says it all.

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LOL, this one says it even better.

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I would do that sooooo hard:glugglug

Doesn't anyone remember the first video ever played on MTV?

Video Killed The Radio Star - The Buggles.

Ugly people can't sell records in a video driven medium. I mean...ELO kicked ass, but would these guys sell records today?

http://www.face-the-music.de/images/elo.jpg

Nice synopsis. Yeah, Prodigy is great.

I think recorded music has run it's course. After 100 years of recorded music we've heard/done everything there is to do. Electronica and hip-hop are the final chapter. I can't see anything else coming out and I can't see previous forms like Metal making any serious comeback aside from those that are nostalgic about the past.

I find enough music to listen to from all eras of music that I thoroughly enjoy so I don't really need MTV thankfully. It's too one dimensional.

This has nothing to do with this thread (which is over a yr old btw and just bumped for no apparent reason)

But Badmunchkin, I was thinking bout what you said about Laguna Beach...and I disagree with you. Mostly we watch tv for entertainment, and thus I also do the same. When I watch tv I want to be entertained most of all. I am not watching tv pretending to be intellectual, or in order to learn something, or in order to pretend to be something I am not. I just want to be entertained. Why would you think that I am superficial and naive just because I enjoy a certain type of show? What do you want me to watch? CNN?!

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When did I say that to you, like 2 weeks ago? :1orglaugh Have you been thinking about that this whole time?

I think the shows, music and movies you watch ARE a reflection of who you are. If you listen to stupid gangsta rap, you're probably not that bright.

Specifically, since you're obsessed with this topic, Laguna Beach is a show filled with the most vapid, braindead people I've ever seen in my life. They're not smart, they're not funny, they're not talented, only a few are even good looking. The show, if anything is just fucking boring. It proves you can put ANYTHING on TV and some fool will watch it.

So, if someone says they watch that show and love it, yes, I instantly will lose most of my respect for them based only on that fact alone. :1orglaugh

Hmppphhh. no I haven't been thinking about this for the last 2 weeks! I thought about it briefly and I wanted to respond to you because it was buggin' me. But tell me, aren't 99% of shows on tv filled with vapid braindead people? People watch tv for an escape in order to get away from the day to day realities of life. It doesn't mean that they are "braindead" because they watch certain shows.

Also, aren't most people at that age superficial? 99% of 20 year olds are superficial and into themselves. Most people at that age are concerned with their appearances and involved with their social lives and relationships. What do you expect from them, to travel overseas and volunteer for the peace corpse or something? Aren't most people concerned with superficial things when they are that age?

Also the girls on that show are not THAT stupid. One is going to UCSB and the other will be going to USC. The show only focuses on their social lives, not academics.

Sorry, I don't like 'em. Superficial and uninteresting to me. I can't get into a great debate about their personal lives - I watched the show twice only because I couldn't believe something that awful would be aired. Same with P-Dummy's Making the Band. I just watch shows like that in genuine horror, hoping it's a bad dream.

Everyone's different with different opinions. The things that appeal to me probably wouldn't appeal to you. I can't discount you completely as a person because you like a tv show I don't like. It just means our taste is very different and I could never hang out or date someone like you.

MTV sucks, just soap operas 24/7 :(

When I was in my teens and first got into music, even chart-topping bands in the UK were making peanuts, playing in pubs and clubs. One of the cinemas and an indoor swimming pool boarded over in winter were the biggest venues anyone could play at, near where I lived. Th first time I saw The Who was in a pub, the Beatles in that cinema I just mentioned (where btw Gerry and the Pacemakers played in pantomime), and I saw The Rolling Stones and many other now/once famous bands at the Marquee Club.

Two points about that: one is that in those days promoters didn't invest in bands unless they were convinced they had a sure thing, the other that most of the "classic" bands had proved themselves in front of live audiences, sometimes for years before they got a record deal.

By the mid-70's all that had changed and there was huge money being made. In turn, touring and promoting involved big investments, so inevitably promoters wanted to protect themselves. Often they did this by creating a "package": a friend of mine in the UK, a promoter who originally handled artists like Frank Sinatra and Diana Ross, was typical of the trend, hiring stylists to create bands and singers. They would decide on image, music, everything, then advertise for the personnel, rehearse them and finally launch them as the next big thing. Usually such "stars" were only good for a handful of records and a couple of tours, but that didn't matter because they made their money. Anyway, promoters like this were selling "new" as much as sound or whatever, because the period coincided with kids getting more pocket money, dropping the average age of record buyers from late teens/early 20's down to early teens. "New" was naturally big.

So the I think the point of this thread is valid and it's no coincidence that very few "classic" acts have appeared over the last 25 years. But I don't think MTV is responsible, rather it is just a reflection of what has happened in the wider marketplace.

I'm with you Brad, and to answer the question YES

all the music industry is becoming a shit, not only MTV....

Hi. For those who don't know me, I'm an old fuck. 45. That means to many of you, older than your father, and ready to be put into a nursing home any day now. :)

That said, I feel that I am always into the music of the time. Something about my generation changed. Which was cool. When I was young, the old folks listened to Benny Goodman, and Andrews Sisters and couldn't undertand these long-haired guys from Britain or what sex David Bowie was (ok, that's one for them.) Point is, they stayed with their old stuff and couldn't move on.

My generation of old fogies, still wear jeans and sneaks and Tshirts and like the new music as much as the old. I've liked Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Pilots in the 90s. I think Creed is awesome and like Nickelback, Hoobastank and ColdPlay now. (And Eversence and Saliva and others I enjoy too!)

My point is, my experiences are "old", my outlook is "current". Most of the one's I mentioned outside of ColdPlay haven't even done much since 2003. And no I can't stand the MTV stuff and I too wonder where (aside from the few mentioned) all the good rock bands have gone as well. And it's not cause of my age. The current stuff just is so dreadful.

its all crap thats why it doesnt sell as good as they used to.

Video killed the radio star. MTV requires expensive videos to get airplay, and its all hollywood crap. Good musicians don't need to be eye candy.

MTV is a fashion show, none of that shit is music.

and Kurt Cobain didn't spend much time on his hair.

Nahh, your just old. Alanis Morissette is not eye candy and dances like a retard. Tons of artists are great and do not have "the look". Think about what you were watching. Is that based on charts are some weird poll? And remember before MTV the charts were rigged so that what sold was what had bought a high chart position. Life is not better or worse, just different.

Good Charlotte is not your typical band. They went after children as their target audiance.

I saw them a couple years ago with my friend for her little sisters birthday. It was pretty nuts. There was kids there as young as 7 I'd say. Most were 12-15 or so. Plenty of parents. The atmosphere was like those old Beatles recordings you see where the girls are screaming all the time. It was.... interesting.

Mest and Something Corporate opened for them, which is why I went. They were good, but the GC fans were dead during those sets.

Wasn't there a discussion about this same shit last year with the same people complaining about todays music? Why are you listening to MTV when the music doesn't appeal to you nor is it made for you?

Why are you expecting something different from the VMA's when the shit has been the same for the past 4-5 years?

Face it, you people are old. It's time to find your nearest "oldies" station and start watching VH-1

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