That's how it's always been unfortunately. The involvment have been going on for a very long time.

I feel that he did lie because this administration had an agenda that was put into motion before they even took power. I believe that they knew full well what they were doing and completely mislead the citizens of the USA and the rest of the world.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

who are you to put someone's life beyond someone's else? No worries, you know the answer.

You sound a lot like Hitler actually.

Give up the oil nicely (or mostly nicely) like Saudi Arabia, nobody has to die. Start fucking around, trying to mess with the Manifest Destiny, get slapped around.

What Islamic regime in Iraq was stirring up trouble?

Looks like you've fallen for all of Bush's bullshit.

Now how do you feel about fundamentalist Christian regimes stirring up trouble?

Should we wipe them off the face of the earth too?

I don't advocate killing Muslims for being Muslims. Give up the oil nicely and nodbody gets hurts.

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/all...on/3.ny.ap.jpg
Looks like the gates to hell.

:Graucho

It's all about the oil. Give it up and nobody gets hurts.

You may be right - I tend to believe you.

The real question is though - did this opportunity for mass public motivation need to be taken advantage of?

I think the answer is yes.

You can not teach a population for over 30 years to hate a nation.

Democracy needed to be installed in that region.

Does the end justify the means?

Remind me if i'll ever see u in person to take your wallet. I'm confident you won't make an effort to stop me. ;-)

Kerry 2004 - its the right choice

Agent Smith had it right when he said "Me me me me me".

All your oil are belong to us!

I assume you are joking, the last person Bush listens to is God.

If he exists.

Go on with your bad self.

So you're saying it's ok to just go in and take what you want under false pretense?

Yeah...that's how it's supposed to work. :1orglaugh

Forget how it's supposed to work. Go with how it does work.

It's mine! It's my precious.

Wichita did not have enough hotels

I have no idea what you're talking about. Giving up the oil? It's not like they're refusing to sell it.

he did not lie . . . . in fact, using your logic, you lied in that post

See, sooner or later all of the countries will give up the oil anyways. It's hard to burn it all in houses made of sand.

Sooner or later the oil will end up in China/USA/Europe and the money will be in the hands of the rich in the Middle East. How many people have to die in the middle of this process is entirely up them.

You think USA is going to backoff and be like "okay keep the oil, sorry guys". Nah. Arm the Jews to the teeth and wherever possible directly smack some of the countries around.

When the Middle East dries up and most if not all of the oil is coming from North/Centra/Sout America ... How much do you think the Euro will be worth then? Think China will be willing to pay fortunes for it?

Sit back, relax, don't be a cog in the wheel.

P.s. you guys are SO easy to fire up :winkwink:

you said he was a failure . . . what does that make you?

Bush is either a liar or a retard.

No, but they make it difficult. Production limits, high prices, loss of American lives in engineering, production and security. Just stop fucking around. Cave is more comfortable in Nikes anyway.

the oil? when have we ever relied (even a little) on Iraqi oil?

Again, what are you talking about? It's all about raising the prices, so that big corporations can make more money. And yet you're complaining about high prices?
Maybe you're just messing around, saying anything.

All Oil reserves in the Middle East must be completely exhausted. Every last drop.

It's the only way for the Western Hemispherical Cartel to be formed with a complete lock on the world.

Bye bye EU. Back to the stone age China. Japan who?

At least the British will have warm houses. They know what's up.

Those were different days, we were more optimistic, we had dreams that we could change the world.

The war in Vietnam was wrong and we felt we could stop it, in fact we probably did contribute to them pulling out.

Today it's different, people feel powerless, this war has been sold to them and the truth is harder to get at.

bullshit

There's no point in having any real philosophical debate on GFY. Instead, I smoke a couple of joints, and just make up whatever I want to support whatever position I'm going to grasp on to.

Any real debate will surely lead to a stress headache.

Some people believe the earth is flat. Personally I think they have more chance of being proved right.

Anyone who thinks they can manipulate the world like that is a fool at best. Look at the attempts to do it so far and the failures.

In a few years time the Mullahs will be in power in Iraq and they will be harder to buy and influence than Saddam. They will be in it for God and Power, Saddam was in it for Wealth and Power.

Lol... True that...

:glugglug

If democracy is established there ansd sticks the loss of thousands of innocent peoples lives might of been a price worth paying.

Do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy?

Votes doen mean shit unless the Electoral College does the right thing..... :glugglug

In fact with Iraq we were refusing to buy it.

War Child just thinks it's cool for the US to go to a third world country with nothing to protect itself and kill as many people as it can with the most awesome war machine ever devised.

WC question your leaders and look behind their statements. Otherwise you will be standing in the Collisium cheering as the lions eat the Christians.

Or shutting the doors at Auschwitz.

Or piloting a plane into a skyscraper.

It's by doubting what we are being told that saves us.

Or arguing with people over the internet.

I'm not even American, I'm a Canadian. I'm also just playing Devil's advocate. I'm doing it pretty well by the looks of things. :glugglug

A complete and concise argument as always from Badpup.

Been fun arguing.

I don't actually advocate the killing of anybody for oil, power, race, religion et all.

If you need me, I'll be playing Counter Strike.

[USA]Arab Corpse Factory on the Seattle server.

Counter-Terrorists win!

when did I say you were American? You have to remember I'm English and took geography, I'm well aware Vancouver in in British Columbia.

All I'm saying is question what you are being told.

If Bush had questioned the information given to him about WMDs he would of maybe come to the conclusion that it was wrong or at least that he needed more proof before he issued the orders to kill thousands of people.

He would of course had to weigh up the chances of Iraq striking the US. But with the effectiveness of the military in Iraq, the lack of WMDs and the lack of credible evidence connecting Saddam and Al Queda he might of just held back. If he did not intend going to war on any excuse or evidence no matter how flimsy.

Again just being the devils advocate and questioning leaders.

the Electoral College did exactly what is was set up to do, there has never been any accusation that members of the Electoral College voted against what their respective states told them to do