JakeR

hey everyone, i was just wondering if any of you own guns? i want to get a handgun, do some shooting at a range, but i dont know what to get, need something to start out with, this way i can get the feel of a gun before i move onto something 'bigger & better'

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Keev

I prefer automatic paintball guns great for shooting coyotes that dig in the trash cans! :-)


Also u know weeks later when u see'm you dumbass u want orange or blue this time?

Theo

Although I'm not a gun owner since it's illegal in my country and almost impossible to take a license, I have used many tools in the army. I dont know why, but I found stupid to collect weapons (new ones) and most probably the easy access to guns is one of the major reasons for increased criminality in some countries.

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guns are for weak people....

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Susan

Don't forget to get your knuckles tattooed and buy yourself a Rottweiler. Oh and almost forgot ? you will need a Rambo knife too

Kat - Fast

jeez Susan - what's up with you tonite hon?

Susan

I cant go to the pub no sitter

Kat - Fast

put this on the pc and they'll never notice you've popped out for pint
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Wilber

Susan and Sovjetz.

Do you not know about "stereo-typing"?

Suppose people were to call you child rapists b/c you deal with porn.
Well you know better cause you "work" within the industry. The accuser
doesn't have any idea what is involved with webmastering adult content.
All they have is a first impression idea about it, they chant the same old
view-line they have to everyone.

So why would you make "generalizations" about gun owners?

I own various fire arms and have entered many shooting competitions.
I have practiced the art of shooting since I was a small boy. People within
that circle are comprised of many walks-of-life...doctors, lawyers, police,
judges, cooks, garbage men, jail guards, etc. They all love the sport. Its
challenging, dedicated, expensive, and requires one to enter a state of
calmness that is quite remarkable to experience.

Its only a man, a projectile, and a sport. This also applies to golf and baseball.
A baseball bat or a golf club in the wrong hands is a lethal weapon.

Although women are involved their numbers are small. The Bianci Cup is
probably the most sought after trophy for hand gun shooters. World
attended and quite an amazing spectacle to observe.

JakeR.

Why do you want a "hand gun"? This is important b/c it dictates what
price range you will be looking in. Btw, home defence, protection, and
"to have just in case I need it" are all bad reasons.

Beginner fire arms
Browning 9mm semi-automatic
Smith and Wesson 22 semi-automatic

Cadillac of hand guns
Sig Sauer
Walther
Heckler Koch

Susan

yeah right, you can kill a guy at 100m with a gun but try it with a golf ball or bat - slim chance.

Guns are bad news. Here in the UK we banned all hand guns even for sport. The only people who should be allowed to own guns are drug dealers, they use them to kill each other.

Theo

i agree with you Susan

Wilber

Susan.

No guns in U.K. Have you checked how many murders there are in U.K.?
And have you checked what weapon was most popular for those killings
in U.K.? You should research this, you will learn some amazing facts.
You make it sound like banning guns stops murders.

Be brave, go out there and look this stuff up.

Kat - Fast

People who want
guns
driving licenses
the right to vote
should all have to undergo IQ testing with a minimum limit of at least 100

Susan - problem we have is that the lawbreakers already have the guns - and the few nutters than run out and kill people will get their hands on a weapon anyway. Recently we have had sword attacks. I am already banned from carrying a knife with a blade over 3 inches (the reckoned distance between derma and heart) yet i can walk into Woolworths and buy a 10 inch butchers knife if i fancy chopping some general public up
Britain starting banning the ownership of firearms just after the first World War.
All the troops had returned home and were getting back to daily business and then the depression started.
The British miners were having a dispute at the time and started blockading the mines.
The police couldn't disperse them because they were mostly battle hardened ex-army.
The government called the regular army in to disperse the miners. The regular army was made up of mainly young men with no battle experience.
The government started banning firearms so they could arrest anyone involved at their leisure.
(condensed version)

The Americans have the right to bear arms incase their government tries to become a dictatorship - so the people have the ability to rise up against a corrupt government. A pretty useless right it is in this era as goverments have too many external controlling factors (big business).

Blah blah blah - i could go on all night - luckily it's food time for me

Theo

it's almost impossible for the US government to try a dictatorship with the soldiers it has...hehe

JakeR

i don't understand all this stereo-typing bullshit.
yes let me go out and get my knuckles tattoo'd. susan you're an idiot. If you don't like guns don't respond to the thread.

sovjet, are you sure they're for weak people?

Wilber-
i'm not looking for home protection, or anything like that, we just moved to this neighborhood out here near chicago land and half our neighbors belong to some ritzy gun range where most of them go 3-4 times a week to shoot off some rounds, when i talk to these guys, it sounds like a lot of fun so i want to join , im not looking to get anything big or expensive (yet). just need a "starter" to get the feel for guns, maybe aroud 500$ ? What do you suggest?

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Susan

oh fuck here we go again. Look, just go buy a gun if thats what yanks your chain, just don't point the damm thing at me.

I prefer real mens sports like rugby.


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JakeR

nobody said anything about pointing at you. topic simply stated 'gun owners' not 'hey morons lets hear some stereotypes!'

Susan

JakeR

Chill or fuck off. I have already declared myself a 5 star idiot in another post.

JakeR

don't cry about it.

Susan

Rambo movies are also available on DVD

Theo

which one Susan? let me guess.....Ios?

i have to restate,i just saw The Heat with Al Pacino n' De Niro (for 100th time). I DO LOVE GUNS! ;-)

Steve

LOL
I just went paintballing yesterday. I love that sport. I'm just sorry I didn't buy the best paintball gun right off the bat. I decided to learn the sport, not depend on the gun. Bullshit! Now I have like 5 freaking paintball guns collecting dust because I finally wised up and got a Angel LCD. Low maintainence and high performance is a tough combo to beat. It is worth the ribbing from my friends ("here is the rich guy with the Angel")

Susan

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pr0

9mm - Quantico FBI Collectors edition

38 - Taurus 5-shot Revolver

12gauge - Remington Pump

22mm - Marlin Semi-Auto Rifle

30/06 - Rifle, Bolt-Action


Screw a pimp war, just exercising my right as a United States Citizen & home owner : - )

Theo

true,because of the movie this summer has more tourists than myconos,paros,rhodes,creta,santorini etc
I havent seen the movie yet,but I will real soon

boneprone

Try testing these 3 guns out at the range nextime you are there.. I promise you will like at least one of the three.


1) Glock :Try the Glock 19,17 and 23
2) HK USP
2) SIG P239


The sig 239 is a 9mm, and the glock 19 17 23 can be in 9mm 40 s&w or 45 cal.
HK USP is nice also and also comes in 9 mm 40 S&W and 45.. Also if you are an exxotic the sig and the HK come in 357 if you wanna pay more..

These are the top 3 9mm you ccan buy and I promise you will fall in love with em..

Best thing to do is TRY each on at a gun club or range that lets you RENT handguns.. Shoot them all, then make your decision.. If not you are only going by looks alone, and your hand may or may not be a perfect fit for the gun you choose.. Only way to tell is to rent one out.



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Wilber

JakeR. Go to the gun club in your area and see if they have used fire
arms for sale. 8 times out of 10 there is a Browning 9mm for sale.
You should get one for around $200.00 to $300.00.

The Glock's are popular but I find they "jump" too much because like
the gen3 Smith and Wesson semi-autos the barrel is too high off of
the fist. The Glock or the Browning's barrrels can be changed to a
Bar-Sto barrel improving accuracy 40% or more.

When selecting ammo try and get full metal jacket (make sure your
shooting range allows this type of ammo). Accuracy is better w/fmj.

Whatever you get start w/ 9mm or 22 cal. The 9 kicks more but either
will not cost you much money. Trade up (most ppl keep their guns always)
to 40 cal or for competitions I like 38 special+p 125 grains.

boneprone

Fuck the Browning 9 mm, go Glock.

JakeR

thanks wilber n bone, i just sent all that you said onto my palm pilot, time to go gun shopping

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JakeR

hey bone, whats a good price range for a glock?

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pr0

A good price range for a nice glock i would say is 500-1000$...depending on what type. I prefer my Quantico FBI Edition gold etched Berreta though.

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Gemini

Jake there are alot of fine handguns out there in many brands and prices. Call the ranges around your area. Most rent them and then you can test them for your self. I was married to a guy that had to have the best names in guns and watched him get taken apart with weapons half the price range he/we had. Those cheaper guns had been and are still firing jacked up loads and are holding up fine.

A name isn't what you need to worry about. First thing is a decision on an auto or wheelgun. Then test different ones out. Go with the one that feels right for YOU. Not some lame name offering. I hate glocks since they feel awkward from the design and can't shoot one well at all. But I can shoot other 9mm's or 40's without a problem and I hit what I aim at now. (Yeah I ran off with the guy that could shoot better) lol Not that was the deciding factor.

A gun is a tool. Just go to the lumberyard and pick up the different drills. You'll get the idea. One will just fit your hand better.

hessian

I'd go with a 9mm for starters. That way if you feel the need to move up in power you can, but 9mm is all you'll ever need really for stopping power. At least against a human. If you want to take out an engine block of a car or something, go for a magnum. I'd steer clear of beretta's, they always jam no matter how clean you keep it. Most people will tell you to get a Glock because they are easy to maintain and can fire underwater. I myself dont like them as they have been known to backfire a little too often for my comfort. I'd say best choice for you would be HK USP in the 9 milley flavor. It'll be the most accurate and safest handgun you've ever shot.

boneprone

300-600 bucks.

Depending on what state you live in..
I got my new Glock for 350.00

HK's, Glocks and Sigs run in the same range also.
9mm's, 40's, and 45's all fall into this range of price. They are all great handguns and are nice and light compared to the bluky and clunky Smith and Wessons, Brownings, and rugers and lugers.

pr0

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boneprone

When it coems down to it, the HK, SIG, and Glock are all about the same.. They are all top notch quality handguns, and it would be hard to prove which is the better of the three.. It comes down to personal preference between these three, and the look ya like.. Also size and/or concealability varries.

But stick with one of the three, and dont stray to some clunky gun.. These are the nicest of nice, and you wont regret your purchase unlike a purchase with a heavyer clunkyer Ruger or S&W or a Browning.

boneprone

No Berreta.. We arent in the 80's anymore.

pr0

Berreta is a finely crafted italian masterpeice! Glock's will jam under heavy target practice (400+ rounds) Trust me! For a pro. target shooter, or competition minded person, a Berreta is the way to go (for my dime anyways)

JakeR

i hit my first gun shop yesterday, its going to be a hard choice! I'm hitting the range in a couple hours to rent & test some guns. I love the feel of the glock, now i gotta go and fire one

brocklanders

Bone,

The sig 239 is an amazing weapon! Interchangeable barrels 9mm, .357, and .40! Like having 3 guns in one. The smoothest gun ever to fire.

The Glock 9 is a big cannon! LOL, I'm not really worried about "target practice." In the real day to day combat, the Glock is the toughest (and safest) gun out there -- which is why many militaries and police issue their people Glocks. Did you know that you can drop the thing off a 10 story building, bury it in sand, and PUT IT IN A VAT OF PAINT -- it will still fire! It's tough, and can get knocked around. It also has a special safety mechanish that only releases the firing pin if the trigger is pulled. It will never missfire on accident due to a drop. It might jam up after 400 rounds (never happened to me), but why you aren't cleaning it after 200 rounds is anybody's guess...

Hey pr0, the eighties called, they want their gun back....heheh

--Brock

JakeR

what's a 'ported barrel' ? a neighbor of mine was talking about having a couple glocks, some of them were 'ported barrels' and i didnt want to seem like an idiot so i just nodded my head and said 'nice'

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Gemini

A slot or slots cut into the end of the barrel to allow the backlash of the weapon to be lowered and more controllable. Report just in is it also lowers the muzzle speed as well. My 9 is ported

JakeR

is it better to get a ported one? what guns do you own gemini?

Gemini

I just have a ruger 9mm, a llama 380 and some sort of 22 auto. Beratta I think it is. Oh and a Ruger 38. But I'm just a woman. The hubby has the big stuff including pistols that shoot large caliber rifle shells. lol

Porting is ok for what you would use it for since the muzzle velocity to target or burglar shoot isn't all that important. It used to cost extra and was after market. They hubby is saying some may sell them that way now. He doesn't dabble in them to buy anymore. It would help your accuracy he thinks. But if you shoot it in the dark be ready for the huge flash coming out of the port. I guess it will scare you if you aren't expecting it.

Most of this info is via him. I can load and shoot, and know that running out and throwing 600 down on a gun is silly when its your first. Its not like they take them back if you don't like it.

Autos are also harder to clean if you are going to do it right btw. Maybe not so much harder (Once you learn how to take it apart AND get it back together)but more time consuming.

SNOW

The best thing to do is go to a indoor gun range like Gemini said,and see what YOU are the most accurate with..
What feels good in your hand...

My personal opinion Hands down for accuracy is a colt 1911 PERIOD... The 1911 frame on a springfield armory or whoever company makes the 1911 frame will be the most accurate in most cases for the average user... The colt has a much easier site system to learn....

I cant believe any of you guys skipped the most famous hand gun in the world... See what all the pros are shooting.. There all tricked out 1911's...

I'm a huge fan of H&K but colt is more accurate to me..
Pro i love you man but i agree with bone

beretta >>>>>????? cmon man its the year 2000.. LOL Actually beretta makes nice peices but i only like Italian cars...

The gun that everyone wants is a kimber classic......

I have 22 assault rifles
I have 6 handguns now
I have been collecting for years... The colt 1911 rips on any of these newer guns..

It depends what your are good at.. I cant shoot a glock worth a shit...


Get yourself a 200 dollar Ruger 22.. You will learn alot with that....


SNOW