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Hmm i did the registration in IE ... I see your account though

You havnt validated your account ... is that where you ran into the problem ?

no it was norton stopping it. disabled and signed up. it's now up and sending 404 traffic.

Lens ... are you not aware that vimax is a copycat site of FastSize?

I've been advertising on GFY for FOUR years or so, your post seems like a bit of a slap in the face?

ha yes its working!

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Brian,


Lensman is not for nothing one of the most successful people in this industry, I guess you realize that he knows much better than you would want him to know and I advise you to not drag him into your little games you wont full him that easy nor any webmaster here with some brains, please don't take people for stupids.

Also I thought I was very clear when I accepted your truce about fastsize/vimax extender in the other thread and I thought you were smart enough to understand that a lot of people know facts about your company and products that you might not want to wash your dirty laundry here on the boards. So leave it like that don't get upset about some of your webmasters going to http://www.oainternet.com that's call COMPETITION. Offer them the same payout, same conversion rates (or better) and same product we sell for surfers and your business wont be that hurt and your webmasters will stop switching over to us. Competition is very good for the business and specially for webmasters, they are making the biggest chunk of the profit anyways :)

Peace out my friend and keep it fair and professional as I am sure all your webmasters expect it from your company :)

lol, that's some funny shit...lolololol

How cute that you consider yourselves competition. I'll remind you again that you know nothing about my company.

I said nothing when you guys originally started plugging vimax on GFY, but when you mentioned my company you forced me to reply.

Save the diplomatic bullshit as well, if you keep alluding to some 'dirty laundry' in an attempt to deflect attention away from the fact that you COPIED our idea, that doesn't exhibit much of a 'hey let's be friendly competitors' vibe now does it? If you have something to say, say it. I already have a lawsuit upcoming against OA Internet, maybe you can help me add to it. :)

If you continue to incite me I WILL crush your little site, sizegenetics, proextender, and whoever else is copying me or planning to. My advice to you is to take your SMALL piece of the pie and reconsider the combative stance you're taking with me ... perhaps enroll in some ESL classes as well?

Don't most fat loss companies do this? Or any company to that fact. Look at all the low carb companies copying products, etc.

Yes, that is true

My reason for posting in this thread though is because I've been paying Lensman for advertising for 4 years, and I'm asking him if there is any degree of loyalty between us.

Ok I see your point but if a company that has a "MILF reality site" and advertises for 'x years' and a new company that wants to promote their 'milf reality site' and wants to advertise and gets to, why can't they?

Loyalty? Thing is Lensman has to keep his site unique and promote more and more advertisers each week, month, etc. It would get boring if the same 5 sites were advertising.

Shouldn't you be spamming vimaxextender in other threads like usual?

I'm sure Lens values long-time advertisers, which is why we are given a discount.

You really don't seem to understand it my friend. You cannot claim that your company or yourself invented the idea of "increasing your penis". Men since the beginning, before you and me were born, tried and are trying by different means , herbs, devices, weight, pumps, etc to enlarge their penis size. Claiming that you came up with this idea is completely insane.

Now you are selling for quite some time this extender on the internet and have an affiliate software. I give you that and I cannot disagree. The facts are that you started being a reseller from the same manufacture we resell now. This manufacture produced this extender and sells it on the internet and off the internet since 1996, long before you become their reseller on the internet. We use and sell their products, we use their promotional material and pictures and not one single copyright material from your company or site. If that is not the case let me know and say it here.

Now, we sell this extender, mensniche and albion medical does the same now and a lot more other sites/companies. All those sites are a reseller of the original Danish manufacture and all those websites use materials and pictures given by the manufacture for promotional needs. None of those companies are copying "your idea" they all sell a product that has some potential buyers. I don't think any of those companies , some of them very reputable in this industry, would have copied any of your copyright material either. So what is exactly your problem with the other resellers of the extender? I hope you don't plan to take every single company out there selling the extender and slander them on boards for selling a similar device. But of course is your choice to and decision to do it all day long if that's your game plan and there is no other way to compete fairly with them.

I could just imagine Mercedes yelling and screaming on boards/tv/radio/newspapers that all the car manufactures copied their idea, since BENZ was the first one to manufacture the car engine as we know it. Or Ford doing the same as they were the first one to mass produce an automobile :2 cents:

hahahahhaaaa

Not spamming, just trying to figure out your why your crying. Lemme guess, i'm spamming the catfights too? You answered my first question just fine but I brought up another point and you accuse me of spamming. Please.

As I said in my other post, please don't drag Lensman into this, I don't think you should lecture Lensman in any way. Have some respect for both your competition, no matter who they are. Lensman deserves your respect not only for owning this board but for his experience and success in this business. :2 cents:

I repeat, I said nothing when you first started plugging vimaxextender on GFY. I already knew you were putting the site together weeks beforehand. Once you started referencing FastSize is when I become involved ... don't get it twisted.

Don't drag yourself into it.

Brian, Octav,

God you guys are moaning about the extender (whatever brand you want to call it)?

As we all know, most everyone buys it from the same companyno secret superman source there :) LOL

Competition wise, it's a free market and all that. We started our first sextoy store in 1995 and there is a ton of stores out there selling the same vibes, penis pumps, etc. Doesn't bother me a bit, there is enough room and space in this market for everyone.

You guys both have good products, affiliate payouts, etc. I kinda prefer the Mens Niche extender myself, same price but they also get some pills with it also.

Your Alright Brian, just go with the flow and keep promoting. Octav copied the idea, just as we and thousands of other companies see ideas and then do it ourselves but sometimes better.

Todd,

Kiss my ass. You 'prefer' mensniche because you cut their checks and handle shipping for them I'm sure. I've read all your posts in related threads recently, and I lost all respect I had for you.

Exactly. So many people are copying ideas each day, perhaps adding one idea onto that copied idea to seem unique.

Brian,

We ship for 4 companies that sell this same product, so I wouldn't call it complete loyalty. Yeh, we do have a good relationship with the Mensniche crew :)

You have lost all respect for me, sorry to hear that man. I think that may be the first time I have heard that since working online since 1994 and since 1996 on the boards.

Either way Brian, what I said above, you know is true. When there was only 20-30 other sextoy stores in the old days selling the same products as us, shit we had over 600-800 order days, of course that's not the same anymore, but what can you do man?

peace

I think the point of this thread is being missed. Lensman started this thread in refrence to placing the Viamax Extender in his members areas. It seems to me the problem starts when a 4 year advertiser with the same product is overlooked for Lensmans members area placement. As anyone knows this is going mean substantial revenue for the company chosen to be placed in Adult.com's members area.

Man I leave this thread for a few hours to go to a BBQ :(

Hey Todd :):) Thats what I have been saying for awhile now .. more than one person can have the same type of product.


as for Brian saying we copied him

As it has been stated already in this thread... the people who buy from have been selling it on line sense 96 ... the ORIGINAL people fast size got there product from .. So .... If anything we are coping the people we buy from :-/


Anyways ... We all have great programs ... Heck Darren from mens niche doesn't have a problem with me at all ..... Really don't see the big problem Brian ..... This is BIZ.! With out competition it wouldn't be any fun


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Tony,

yeh the point was gotten the first time. To be ohnest, even know adult.com's members area, ars, etc, etc have tons of sites, etc. I know product sales very well, the upsell for a $300.00 product will bring in sales, but not as much as you might think.

I didn't know Brian has been placing ads on gfy for 4 years though. But like anything, if ars has an ebony site and promo's here, and a new company buys a banner placement and has ebony sites, what's Lens gonna do, turn them down??

Ah well, another day another dollar.

Brian not at all. This is either a big misunderstanding from your side or you misread my posts. I never said that fastsize copied my program in any way I would be a complete idiot to say that. I always defended in front of you and other webmasters accusing us of being a copycat of your site. That is what I say and what I keep saying, we are not a copy of your site. That's exactly what you accused me in this thread exactly you said oainternet.com is a copy of your site. That's exactly why I replied and defend our name as we don't want to be associated in any way with such practices. I will never copy any body's sites or copyright materials no matter how much money might be involved. Is first illegal and second is morally unacceptable and of course third we will loose more in the long term. I am not sure if you are aware of my way of doing things but I always preferred the small profit for a long term than the quick buck and close shop and screw our webmasters. There is much more to win by playing fair and be in business for a long period of time than get greedy and close down once you make some money. I guess you have the same principles as I see your company in in business for quite some time now and I respect that.

Once again I am in no way putting down your product or company, I am just defending myself of your allegations of copying your site. If this was the big misunderstanding between us, let's call it even and stop those kids fights. As I said it on other threads your company was selling this product before us on the internet and I respect you for that, but stop saying we copied you or your site. I don't know about the other dozens sites selling extenders on the internet or in sex shops if they copied you or not, pick up on them if you have facts about that but we are completely clean on this point as far as I know.

take care and peace out.

thanks Tony .. I probably should have just said it like you in the beginning :)

Everyone signup and promote SizePro if you're not already - Seemingly one of the few enlargement program owners with some integrity, and it sells well too.

Hey Tony long time no speak. As always you have a great way of putting things in perspective.

You feel very defensive but here is a short plugin from me.

We are defending ourselves against people who claim we copied fastsize.

You must feel really threatened by us, mensniche and LEC and other companies who are coming out with their extenders now, otherwise i guess you wouldn't hijack a thread. We have never done it to you. Everytime we made announcements about Vimax Extender we have been attacked by your affiliates who accuse us.

Now why don't you calm down and enjoy your "BIG" piece of the pie for now.

I find it very funny to be accused of being a copy cat when you are not the inventor of the product.
Why don't you claim as well that Mr. Muller is a copy cat as well. I mean his lawyers are very happy to see this. So you should be careful when claiming others are a copycat of fastsize. Instead just point me where we have copied your site.
I should give credit where credit is due. You were the first one to introduce it and advertise it for the Adult Community Webmasters. But that's it...

Look at http://www.vimaxextender.com/ & http://www.fastsize.com/ and tell me that the designers were not instructed to create a site exactly like FastSize.com.

Brian may not be the inventor of the product but he did innovate the manner in which it is currently being marketed.

All sites nowadays look similar. All porn sites, all pill sites and etc.

The concept of the side menu has been used on our Vimax Pills site for a long time. We followed the concept from our pill sites.

nothing wrong with a piece of rope and a brick. :)

No one here has a problem with selling these snake oil products to their members at $300 a pop?