I dunno guys.... I see a shitload of these tgp galleries every day, and although many are pretty nicely designed, some of the pics of very high quality (most not), and most movies only 15 or 20 seconds of low quality.... IF I were the type to want real quality (and I am) I'd be very much inclined to join a few pay sites and see what all the fuss is about, rather than waste my time on free shit porn. Free galleries, from the perspective of the newbie surfer, are really fun in the beginning, but after looking at a few thousand galleries of the same chicks, models and scenes over and over and over, some surfers WILL get bored, and if they want to see the better stuff they'll choose a paysite and take the next step.

Granted, some paysites are crap, but many of them are mega-sites loaded with enough high-quality porn to last anyone many many months of good wee-wee-whackin. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif It's our job to choose to affiliate with the better paysites and sell to those poor bored newbies that NEED and WANT the good shit. It's our DUTY! And hey, these types of free galleries have been easy to find for YEARS now, so why why why are we complaining about it now? There is no way that anyone is going to stop it, too many players in the game now.

I thought the focus of this thread was about terra.es and the problems arising from it's misuse. What about the tgp's like the hun that accept terra.es galleries?? (but not any other non-adult freehosts)

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Oh wow! By the way, I submitted this gallery late this afternoon: http://www4.smutserver.com/babes/bgn.../h2/h2_rr.html and I just got an email from RR a few seconds ago saying it was listed....already! Damn, they must be really on top of things this week. Weeeee!!
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I am still waiting for some big TGP webmasters to explain to me why, or why not they accept terra.es/ya.com galleries.

I would love to hear what Hun has to say about it... it was one of the reasons I started this thread... I'd like to hear from other TGP owners as well... Perhaps we can do something about this Terra.es/ya.com crap.

BTW, their has been some valid pionts brought up on this thread http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

Westin

Westin you should email The Hun. He is very good on the ol' email...

Be careful though he'll talk your ears off. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif

The reason why seems an obvious one, they offer clean dose of porn, minimum outlinks and the tamest 404's you'll ever see, a tgp's dream.
why not - because every feels differently, it called the human factor, it's nither right nor wrong, you put on your site or link to what you feel fit and exclude anything not to your taste.

life will go on, and on, and on....

J

ldinternet - e-mailed him about it...

Justin - it may seem like a TGP owners dream, but what about the whole giving away too much for free problem... I mean at least on a paidhoat, or legit freehost, some money is kept within the industry... but with terra.es, people will become used to free shit to whack it too. And, how you can you say that this is a TGP's dream?? a surfer that comes, clicks a few galleries, and 'does his bizness' ... Seems to be doing nothing but burning everyone's bandwidth (both gallery poster, and TGP owner) I wouldn't want to own a TGP that had only surfers that know they only have to click on a few galleries to 'get off' ... nobody makes any money... http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/frown.gif

Westin

[This message has been edited by Westin (edited 06-09-2001).]

Westing, free content doesn't hurt the business. Agressive advertising does. 20-25 pictures with two banners was exactly what things were like 5 years ago, and I heard NOBODY complain about low convertions at those days...

Also, on the competitive thing, I don't think terra.es or the other don't know what's going on. And they make money. Not directly on banners, but on the non-adult market a thing like "stock holder's value" is worth a lot of money. Look how much traffic they're doing. How much more traffic they're doing then their competition. Terra.es isn't ruining any market. People are so afraid of "free" stuff. If people wouldn't buy when they can get it for free then how come I'm sending out 70000 bannerclicks a day and I'm getting repeated advertisers as a majority? They don't pay me for a banner that's not converting, trust me...

Sorry for sending so many replies, but I really see some false statements made here. Westin, you write: "a surfer that comes, clicks a few galleries, and 'does his bizness' ... Seems to be doing nothing but burning everyone's bandwidth (both gallery poster, and TGP owner) "

I have over 1 million of these people on my site every single day. People that get tons of free stuff (80 links, 20 pics on average, that's 1600 pics per day, over half a million free pictures per year for free), including every topic imaginable (part from the unethic ones), then where the hell does this money come from I'm making?

Facts people, that's what counts. How did pay-sites make money? Previews. And play search-engines. Then link-sites came, I linked to preview-area's of paysites in the early days. They loved it. I loved it. My visitors loved it. Then affiliate programs came. Paysites loved it. They gave banners to people who built galleries that got people (by giving it away for free) and they got their signups. It has never been different since day one. The ONLY thing that changed is that people nowadays are whacked and slammed back and forth between consoled, dialers and entrapping blind links that they want to keep away from clicking on any banners. I talk to a lot of people, not only webmasters, and these are the things they tell me!

Fighting people 'cause their product is cheaper than yours isn't very smart... They make money, otherwise they wouldn't be able to operate at all. And if they're loosing money I'm pretty sure the "problem" will solve itself pretty soon 'cause they'll simply go out of business. Are free hosts a problem for companies that want to make money off paying customers? I'm pretty sure ligntning would be pretty pissed off if there were attempts from the paid hosts to shut him down just because he's cheaper...

Thanks for replying Hun http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif

Well... perhaps i'm wrong in saying that too much free porn is hurting sales... but I hear lots of talk about "the good 'ol days" and how sales have dropped. I've only been TGPing for about 3 years now... so maybe I don't understand how it used to be ???

All I know is that I'm doing pretty well as a gallery maker/poster, but I seems that the only way to get listed in a decent spot is to pay for it (or make a deal with the TGP owner... great for them, bad for us!!) I wasn't here for the "good 'ol days" but I was here when you count on a few freebie top spots by chance... Nowadays... it seems that all the terra.es/etc. are getting listed alot more ;(

Westin

Lightning less webmasters would be using terra if you were not redirecting 4 % of the traffic ... webmasters don't trust freehost anymore

The Hun yes you make money ... you get 1 million uniques . I get 200k and make just enough to live correctly . Not all webmasters get that ammount of traffic ... only a few . So it's comming harder than harder ... remove all freeporn tgps we all would be RICH !

No westin, these wont add up to your total http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif

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[This message has been edited by Jamdin (edited 06-18-2001).]

No Dre, that's not true... If there would be no more free porn and search-engines would be the way to go do you honestly think paysites would leave their affiliate sites open? Why give away half the income to affiliates building galleries if they can submit themselves to search-engines. The reason they're giving half their income away is cause it's a lot of work getting signups. If that is gone then trust me, they'll stop their affiliate programs

And then everybody would build their paysites. And they would build previews. And then someone would build a site linking these previews... Deja-vu? Yes! It's exactly how my site started...

Yes Hun, but it's so damn easy to get free porn, that most surfers are very happy with TheHun.net or something similar - why do they need a paysite ?

Galleries are extremely clean and got about 20 pics each. Why pay if you can get it for free ?

why do niche sites are doing much better than general sites ? Because it's harder to find niche content for free.

I'm not saying that all TGPs should be closed - but the galery rules should be more webmaster-friendly - and not surfer friendly. If surfer already getting free stuff - why not let him see some good ads ? I know that there are ppl who are going to jump right in and say: "My gallery sells like crazy with 1 text link" - but thats not true - the more the adds, the better the chance surfer will buy something. IMO.

Hun: http://www8.smutserver.com/hardcore/...e/tgpg4/3.html
listed on your tgp few days ago,with 50 pics!

if you use a movie editing prog you can even make a small mpeg with so much pictures ;-)

hard time to be an adultwebmaster, something tells me that in few years none tgp will accept less than 20 pics,we're not that far away. But admit that I have seen galleries with 12-15 pics on thehun.net

And by the way, Hun, make more visible chat link! Three years visiting your tgp I just noticed!

P.S. I have seen galleries with 75 pics on slamdonkey! hehe

i dont say that this guy wont earn money from this gallery, after all, since you listed him. But instead of a webmaster building a gallery with 15pics/day why not to build one per 2 days,have 30pics on it,most of the tgp will list him......and be infront of the rest

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DarkJedi

You have it right about niche but it does not really have to be niche to be a hard find on TGP's. I have teen pics that you will never find on TGP's, one peek and it's a panic to find more - get my meaning. Made in the UK by me with a $800 digital camera http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
Break the mold and you have the key.

Theres an old rule in this business and guys like Wolfshade know it well - learn your niche, find out what makes the pulse go up and go in for the kill.

[This message has been edited by Susan (edited 06-20-2001).]

Can I take a look at those pics Susan ? http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif