probably because of pushpills 300 hits a day overloading the server.

Just like ClickCash?

HDTV Cams?
Multi-View Cams (4 views at once)?
3D Vision Cams?

yep, all of that

DamnGoodRatio your comment ...quote..

And 100k checks? This is just amazing. They didn't bounce that many checks and they replaced the ones that had bank trouble. newsearch.php - look into it ..... unquote

is total bullshitttttt,i have 2 clickcash/ifriends checks returned from the bank stamped returned due to lack of funds in the account..they only totalled 700bucks,

i contacted clickcash many times and got no reply and before you say did i spam or was i termed the answer is NO,i still have the account although i,m not stupid enough to promote them anymore.

SO Just because they may be big it dont mean they have any $$$$.

ps ,i dont promote epic just wanted the world to know how clickcash treated me.

:(

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Girls sleeping on cam or reading books waiting for one of their regulars to come along (gives them a audible from their PC) - totally ignoring all the freebie traffic?

Pay periods every 2 weeks

yep all of that too

lol

You should give Epic Cams a shot. We won't fuck you over and I can work with you personally to ensure you convert very well.

oh wow, you made 640 in a pay period. tho art thee savior.

lame hahahahahaha.

670 in a little over 3 days....

i made that by the time you replied to me.

you have no room to play in my yard kiddo

and if it were epiccasms...it'd be like 330

it's just one sponsor....


either way...they pay twice what you do...was my point that I make more money than you or that clickcash pays twice what you do?

ok dip shit. let me lay it out for you.

you can take your 16 sales with clickscame.. or you can take 32 sales with epic cams.

get my point?

they shave you silly. they cant pay 40 on an initial join. just doesnt and wont ever happen in a perfect world.

fucking moron.

That's a serious payout, do you actually have anyone making $70 per signup?

How could you afford to pay that much?

you dumb faggot.. read the fucking thread. we jus6t started this last night.

and if i have to sit here and explain to you how i can afford to pay 70 on 250 sales or more then you would never understand.

which would be still the same amount....

but who's to say how much you shave.


get my point?

yep, and who is to say how much they shave? get my point? wtf is your point?

dont send traffic if you dont like it. pretty fuckign simple you zit faced adolecent.

Those were serious questions, not insults.

You didn't just start your program last night did you? Then it's possible you had someone sending 251 joins a pay period already. Get it? You'd be paying him $70/join from now on. That's what I was asking, it's not complicated. I guess you didn't get your grade 10 in con college?

Obviously the answer to that is an overwhelming no, since no one with that much traffic would touch your two bit program.

pimpdog, I've tried multiple cam sponsors with my traffic, tracked the outbound stats, and clickcash makes the the most per click, pays every week on time, and they don't speak ebonics.

good luck with epiccams.

im withholding judgement and will let my stats to the talking. we'll see.

i guess you will never know...

you have not tried mine, so dont judge it unless you try it.

I am smarter than 90% of the idiots in this industry. that is a FACT. I know how to make money for myself and my affiliates. and i think i have proven that.

Looks good.

How many pre-checked cross-sales do you have after the first page / what do they amount to and rebill to?

Matt

Since you didn't reply, I just checked...

The $1 Life-time cost will cost the surfer a total of..

$1 and another $1 for trial if they don't un-check the cross-sales..

and $39.95 and $19.84 if they don't cancel those memberships.

So if they don't un-check the cross-sales and don't cancel, the $1 membership will cost the surfer $62.79

Matt

Yep, this is my only objection to promoting them, but with these payouts I might give them a shot. Over the last year I've done dozens and dozens of traffic tests to different cam sponsors and without a doubt, cross sales significantly lower conversion ratios on free join promos.

For example, when Weg first started their Ezcams program I sent 10k of quality cam traffic and was disappointed to only convert at 1:133. I then learned that they had 2 prechecked cross sales on the join page. (All this after they had "free" plastered all over their fpa's to lure the surfer to the join page) After much webmaster complaining, weg took down the cross sales on ezcams. I then sent another 10k from the same traffic source and sent it to the exact same ezcams page as I had before. This time I converted at 1:69, almost 50% better than with the cross sales.

Anyone can do this same test, just send some traffic to Weg at www.vipstream.com and then send the same amount from the same source to Epic's www.epiccams.com The two sites are almost identical looking, but notice how much the conversion ratios will differ.

Pimpdog seems determined to move his cam program forward and compete with the big boys, but in my opinion it won't ever happen until he removes the cross sales. I've talked to Epic and I know they are tied into long term obligations with sponsors on the cross sales so I've held off promoting them until they make some changes. I send high quality cam traffic to over 20 cam sponsors and track my $/unique like a hawk. There's no reason to waste traffic on a sponsor who isn't doing everything in their power to help convert my surfer.

lazycash - VipStream and EpicCams seem to have the exact same back-end for sure so it seems your comparison is as fair as they could be. :)

Matt

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someone from epiccash plz icq me thx

Yep, they both promote the same back end Streamate, so they are promoting the exact same models. While they both have some different front ends to choose from, they two I gave are identical.

hey lazycash,

You probably remember me as "ngnd" on the wegcash forums.
If you decide to give epic cash a shot, let me know. I'll hook you up with everything you need and i'll watch your conversions closely to make sure everything is going well.

If you check out this site:
http://www.webcamsponsors.net/Sponsor_Stats.htm

You'll see that right now, WEG is listed as his #2 sponsor with a 1:100 ratio. Epic Cash is his #3 sponsor with 1:114 conversion ratio, despite our cross sales. However, he's basing his calculations on our flat $25 payout.

With our new tiered payout, the potential to make money is even greater. In the end, it's not about the conversion ratios, it's about how much money is made.

You said WEG, you do 1:69. And when they had cross sales, you did 1:133. I'll calculate example payouts based on the ratios on the site above as well as your actual ratios (I'll use your 1:133 ratio with EZCams+Xsales for a sample Epic ratio).

Say for example you can send 25K hits in a 2 week pay period.
WEG, 1:100, 250 joins, $6250. (1:69 - $7250)
Epic, 1:114, 219 joins, $11190. (1:133 - $9270)

Bump it up to 40K hits in a 2 week pay period.
WEG: 400 joins, $10000. (1:69 - $14500)
Epic: 351 joins, $20050. (1:133 - $16550)
More than twice as much cash.

Bottom line is you'll make more money, despite our cross sales. As you can see, even if your ratio is nearly twice as high with Epic, you'll still make more money than with WEG.

So if you're interested, feel free to get in touch with me by ICQ (214702014) or email ([email protected]) and I'll make sure you have what you need.

nice

Put a mosaic over your personal info and post scans of the checks.

Then, I'll believe your line. But you won't. You seem like a newbie who probably got termed for spamming and is now bitter.

DamnGoodRatio,

Well i think i,m a newbie only been at it like 3 yrs ,so im no expert thats for sure but i earn a nice little living at it .....Spamming ,i wouldnt have a clue how to spam. Regarding my account with them didnt you read ??/ its still working fine and has been for 3 yrs ,if you really want to look l will give you the password and youll be able to look back at my commisions etc .

i have no problem with you or anyone ..am i bitter of course i am ,anyone bounching checks to me and not paying is gonna be in my bad books,and ill stand up and say so and not pussy fuck around ,sue me for slander if they wish ..i,ll give you my name address the lot pass it to them,i may be a newbie but i aint gonna let no one fuck me around ..they owe me cash and ill keep telling everyone forever..untill they pay me. CLICKCASH ARE SCAMMERS


ps,i,m in montreal at the moment and my office is in uk so yes you win on that point i cant scan the checks ,but as i said i will give you all my info address etc account number the lot ,contact them and see what they say,and lets see who is BULLSHITTING cause it aint fuckin me ok.

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Myself and a friend both recieved a bad check the same week in early 2002. One phone call and we had new ones issued and these checks were for a few thousand each. I've also had a check replaced that I lost before, no problems.

And to just end things off DamnGoodRatio.ask lars here of streamray if after i switched from THE SCAMMERS CLICKCASH,if i have and continue to make good bank with them for over 2 yrs ,my id with streamray is peekshowhardcore . i also do the same with a number of others ..see i aint like some other shitters here , i try to stay out the way and just earn my corn.

ps . psyko514 thanks ,yes ill give epic cams a try .



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awesome :thumbsup

if you don't have an account yet, grab one through the link in my sig. i'll be your account rep and i'll hook you up with everything you need to make money like a pimp.

are you born and raised in montreal? or just chilling here?

Hey Stocktrader23,

i dont doubt what you say or anyone else i can only tell you what happened in my case ,
and btw unless i,m too straight of a biz guy you shouldnt have had bounced checks in the first place,they can cause havoc .if someone gives me bad checks then thats it ...i drop them ,i,m not in this for fun to guess if i,m gonna get paid or not

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thanks psyko514,
i,m from the uk moved to montreal to expand in north america ,i do a lot more offline ie,mags ,dvds etc but i realise online is part of life now ,i try to stay discreet and just earn my $$ but sometimes i get pissed with bullshitters telling me how good CLICKCASH the SCAMMERS are ,and i know different

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we will have to meet up sometime

I'm not in this for fun either. That's why I continue to send traffic to the programs that make me the most money.

I threw up some links to epiccams and was pleasantly surprised. sent 200 hits today and got a couple of joins - just thought I would share that :)


Anyways p1pmdogg I seem to aheva technical error with my account - despite the above mentioned two joins today I am only showing $30 in my account for them. Can you help me out here please?

did you ask us to change your account to console-free?

if not, what's your account id?

stocktrader23

yea hey i d have promoted clickcash for ever if they keep paying me ,i was well happy with them..untill the checks , now for me i dont trust them anymore ,i wanna know that my checks are gonna be good ,and when 700 bucks which aint a lot gets returned stamped lack of funds ...i thought to myself this is not the sort of company i wanna deal with .
just my choice

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tortoise... when you get the chance, can you hit me up on icq (214702014) or aim (psyko514)?

thanks!

yep no problem


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yes i did but if the base rate is 30 or 25 without a console(which is what my account is) that still should be 50 bucks not 30 shouldnt it?

Hey psyko, yeah I knew you were ngd. Your assessment above is correct and the new payouts certainly have me considering diverting my cam traffic Epic's way. As much as I don't like cross sales on free/$1 joins, if I can make more sending you traffic I will. I'll give you a holla when I start sending Epic some traffic and we can discuss my ratios then.