Sobe was banned. Ban this fucking nick too.

Erik your content is garbage. My fucking dogs could take higher quality pictures than you. You've always been a fucking idiot. You're fila fag flip flop ass should come to a show one day .. There's a ton of people that want to "show you some love".

I have the first 50 "sets" of the absolute worst content to ever be "produced". It's sitting in a fucking pile somewhere. USELESS just like the man who made it.

Die assclown.

::edit:: the quote above was grabbed at random :-)

I do believe it's smart to wait until the proposal becomes law before sweating bullets, or before making stupid announcements that could alienate you from your primary client base.. not that anyone has done that yet...

That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if most content providers charged a higher rate for content including docs. My reasoning:

Content providers will see their costs go up because of 2257

Content providers will either raise all rates to cover the new costs, or, will have two pricing structures - 1 with extended (2257) docs, 1 without (with maybe the current level of documentation).

It's business, it's cost of sales. A provider can't just eat that increase.

I'd think they would raise prices across the board. But, I don't know how extensive an individual content provider's record
keeping system would be.

However, I'd personally eat the cost of providing documentation on "old sales", and factor the new prices in on new sales only.

I think.

That's a great observation. I know many content producers are going through alot of expense to digitize all their model id and releases.. paying money to spend time in blackening out ID, and to then deal with webmaster support when the time comes to deal with all of this.

Some content producers already have their 2257 info in place (stored inthe folder of the image set).


2257 compliance will have a cost on webmasters side as well. whether through hiring somone to manually catalog images, use a service like mine at 2257lookup.com, or use a content management system.

2257 is a record keeping statue, no different than accounting.. some people will work their own books, others will hire an accountant.. same as true with 2257.

If you are not doing anything at all, then you have a bigger probability of being tagged. Throw in no 2257 statements on your home page and young looking models, and you have everything needed for a personal bomb.


I am not one to say the sky is falling.. 2257 is NOT the end of the industry.. it's the end of not taking business seriously, and the beginning of running your business like a business.



-brandon

What are your thoughts on Canadians and the proposed new 2256 regulations.

Also, if Gallery makers are using sponsor content only, will linking to the sponsors 2257 info be enough? I'm guessing no, because the images are on a new URL now?

So old.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...hreadid=329667

another reason not to buy shit from you.

Not sure about implications to canadian webmasters... if you host in the US, then there is angle for the need for compliance.

For people building galleries with sponsor "free" content that has been provided to them.... if those images are sexually explicit, and they are hosted on your server, then you have 2257 issues.

I talked to some programs and they are cutting back on the "hardcore" images. No penetration or masturbation means no 2257 requirements, and also maybe better chances of converting if all the previews are "softcore".


-brandon

At the ABSOLUTE worst I would let the ones that have already bought it have it, and make FUTURE purchases fall under this if you feel the need to charge people for this anyway..... which just seems ridiculous to me in the first place.. but why make those who have paid for content already have to go back and pay you again for this information?

And as for who else can give me this peace of mind without charging me a lot of money? Why, sir, I will tell you........ I get content from A few places that offer me this and I don't have to pay for it, it just comes with it by default, mind you their name and where they physically live is blacked out, but not their date of birth..... but I get content from a few places where I don't have to pay extra for this.

What you are doing here to people already holding your content who have purchased it at YOUR prices is just plain insanity. Regardless if they paid a dime for it, or $500 a set, they paid what YOU sold it for...... and to make them now go back and pay you more to continue using it, well, that's just crazy. If you HAVE to charge for this, do it for sets bought from here out.... if that's what gives you a hardon.. but not those who already own it.

Well said!

Ditto

50 Model IDs

only fucking noobs and tards buy content from sobegirl

I have the best of intentions really. In the long run it is the correct thing to do.

You will see in the future that I am correct - as usual. For how long have you guys been talking trash about SoBeGirl but I am still here. Still producing, now selling DVDs.

Read the threads there are some good people here who agree with me. They say it is right and a good idea. And I know it is.

You guys who got this incredible SoBeGirl Collection for next to nothing - those days are now over. You had your time to make your money with them. If you were to lazy to get off your ass it is not my problem.

If you want to continue using them and you want the IDs you will have to pay for them. Anyone who paid 5000 dollars for the content bulk deal will get the docs for free. Most of you got it for 1000 or less. The collection is worth 20 thousand but this market is so fucked up and everyone knows it.

It all started with J$ doing Content Blowouts. SoBeGirl did not ruin the market. You guys did. You all wanted cheap deals or you would not buy. Now you nickeled and dime us content providers to death until we are lifeless. Fuck You ! Fuck all of you punks out there who want nothing more than to see every content provider here penniless and broke selling exclusives for 200 each. FUCK YOU.

The list of content providers now gone is long. Let me run off a few, Phoenix, L and M, AdultContentca, Reyko,, and there are many more. SoBeGirl is still here. Still paying my bills and making me money. STILL because of the decisions I made that my competitors could not and now they are gone. This is just one more of those decisions. I don't care if you like it or not. This is one of the decisions I must make to secure my future.

If I was using content I had bought off of you in the past, I would just sue you.

Assuming that this law will be passed, it means that you will be charging your customers extra in order to be in compliance with the law.

Seatbelts are required on a car by law. Yet you don't see the dealership or the manufacturer charge extra for them. The price is simply "absorbed" (for lack of a better word) in the total price, but it will not show as extra like optional items do.

Do you seriously believe that you will draw more business by charging for something your competitors will more than likely provide for free?

Just the same way a webmaster is nothing without his surfers, a content provider is nothing without his customers. It appears to me as if this is a pathetic attempt at getting monies from the very same people who have help you built your business. Anyone believing this to be good business sense should take a marketing class right away.

I for one will be certain to never be your customer :321GFY

I don't get this "you all made money off of me so fuck you all "attitude. Who made you lower the prices? If the content was so good (and I've never seen it), you could still get a high price for it. I only buy exclusive content for my sites and willingly drop $2-$5 per image for high quality exclusive content.

There are a lot of damned good photographers here and they still charge a good price and haven't dropped it to $10 per set just to sell stuff.

YOU choose to negate the worth of the photos by selling 200 of the same set for $10, no? By selling a single set, you'd have something worth money.

You could also stop the value from dropping from insisting the images not be used on TGPs. One of the photographers I purchase exclusive content from has this right in his license -- I can use the images on my paysite(s) but not for galleries. He doesn't want to cheapen his content.

I am not charging for docs nor raising my rates. Why the fuck is SOBE allowed in this board

I unfortunately bought your content at super inflated prices a long time ago.

I've never used it, I probably never will .. But I want my free documents anyways. I paid more than 1K for sure.
I'll dig up that old invoice.

This is why I don't sell any of our content. I would go to jail before I let anyone but a fed see any of our girls legal name or address. I'm in a lot better position to protect my company from 2257 legal action then any of our models are to protect themselves from a stalker. The contempt for talent this industry has is infectious and there are way too many people willing to play it fast a loose with model info in the name of "protecting themselves". What kind of "man" worthy of the name protects himself at the expense of a young woman?

Somehow I think a lot of content providers forget to mention to prospective models just how careless then are going to be with their personal info so the model can make a decision on that risk herself.

most models know the risk involved; push the id aside. and if they don't, a good producer will explain the risk and not sugar coat it. so either way, the model knows the risk vs reward and that is the chance the model is willing to take. period.

on a different note, any one who says f-u to potential or current customer deserves to have their business ruined completely and it seems as if the downward spiral is just starting.

Has it really come down to making the extra buck now that 2257 is out?

You could go into business selling them in this thread.

I'd gladly pay you and I'm sure a few others would as well. :thumbsup

Yet more proof that Sobe is a fucking retard.

Sobe content is shit. Anyone that buys that is an idiot.

any content producer that charges former clients a fee for a models 2257 info is a piece of shit...

there is no integrity in greed.

So let me get this straight. You charged your clients for content. They paid you for it. Now you want to charge them again in order to keep using the content they paid you for?

What a fucking marketing genius you are.

I'd spam but I haven't read anything but this post yet.

I'd gladly give you a free copy of any records I should happen upon.

It must be a miricle that SoBeGirl can still be selling content for more than 5 years but some morons say that SoBeGirl content sucks.

SoBeGirl sells content for so long because she has one of the best content collections on the planet. Even with the small fee for teh IDs SoBeGirl content is still more affordable than any of her competitors.

All the SoBeGirl haters can talk all the shit they want the fact remains that I sell content every day to webmasters and will continue to do so.

Those webmasters that paid for the IDs know that this is being done to protect the value of the content that they bought. It would be impossible for me to make most of you who are to dumb to realize that change your mind.

Remember, when you get the MPG2 files for 29 dollars each you get the Ids included. When you get sets for just $5 dollars in MPG1 format they are not. If you do not like it please buy your content somewhere else. I won't miss your cheap ass that much anyway. And if you really want to see some SoBeGirl content you can just ask for my line of DVDs in your adult video store.

Peace!

i was amazed when the cheapest content provider i use (rock bottom) emailed me a link to an updated zip with the info i need....and some of those sets cost $3.00.......
i guess all my sobegirl content will get dumped...........

and he isn't a girl, he is a guy, i believe

You are an idiot.

Anyone here that needs surfer recognizable DVD content that is compliant, web ready and databased beyond belief into a plug and play system, let me know.

If you drop your Sobe crap, I'll cut you a smoking deal on full movies that surfers actually buy when they are in the video store.

:)

mrmovie = Sobegirl .. In case you don't know.

Erik just thinks he is smarter than all of us. Tossing out "she" in regards to Sobegirl, who is in fact the same person, isn't fooling anyone, jackass.

please leave 2257 alone until something in black and white forces you to come here and post stuff. seriously. theres got to be 50 posts on GFY over the last 3 weeks about this. everyone comes in and breaks it down and starts over again in a new thread. the sky is falling. the sky is falling. how much longer till no one comes running to save the threads from the 2257 monster?

Reading this post makes me think it definitely contradicts your other posts. You go on and on about how good your content is and how long you have been in business, then you say this is a descision you must make to secure your future. Is your future on such shaky ground that you have to resort to this type of tactic to stay in business?
I am also quite bemused by the fact that you tell all your customers who are voicing their concern over your descision to fuck off. Is this another wise business descision? what thought went into that?

"I know, I'll blame them for some bad personal business descisions I made in the past, tell them to fuck off, say I don't want their cheap asses (or their money), and that will drive them to my site credit cards in hand desperate to get at more of my high quality content"

Bro, there are times when one should step back and examine events that have transpired. Give serious thought to what they are being confronted with, and decide if a new course of action would be appropriate. This is one of those time for you. Sadly, you'll miss the oppurtunity that is being presented here.

Just my :2 cents:


spaz

If this go into effect it will end as soon as the first model is vRaped and or Killed by a surfer getting her home address.

then i wonder who they will blame for that. im sure us.

Maybe the law should be post the models personal info along with the personal info of the law makers of this stupid law.

It is insane that you are charging EXTRA for model IDs. Put your price up or something a few bucks per set if needed then we as webmasters don't feel we're being ripped off.

Charge extra? Here's a big :321GFY

I can hardly believe you are really this fucking stupid.. Do you even have ANY idea about the new 2257 regulations that are likely going to be coming into play, and the neccessity for people to have access to documention? Charging extra for ID's is fucking extortion, you useless fuck, and believe me, people will be going elsewhere! Why should they buy content from you and pay twice (for crap, especially) when they can go somewhere else and get the whole package for the same price? Boy, marketing genius, you sure have a great way of advertising yourself. Retard.

Reading comprehension a little rusty? THis has nothing to do with the new 2257, and everything to do with the fact that Sobe is a fucktard. Get with the program. :Graucho