What nobody expected occurred / buldog.com - GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

X

buldog

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2004

Posts: 115
Share

Post
#1

What nobody expected occurred / buldog.com

08-24-2004, 05:34 AM

Hi,

What nobody expected occurred? http://www.buldog.com and http://www.bulldog.com both domain names based on common names and very popular are incorrectly claimed to be used in bad faith by the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. In spite of the commitment from Network Solutions to block the web pages till the outcome of the Dutch court the two domains are unexpected transferred and blocked to the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. The claim is submitted after more than 4 years when I started the web pages. There are more than 800 other registered Bulldog trademarks in more than 20 countries. All activities are meanwhile transferred to http://www.bulldoglist.com.

Let me know if you have any questions. Webmasters can contact me by webmaster at bulldoglist.com

Thx,
Olof
Tags: None
MickeyG

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2004

Posts: 4134
Share

Post
#2

08-24-2004, 05:40 AM

that sucks, I'm sorry to hear. I liked your traffic
Comment
Jakke PNG

ex-TeenGodFather

Join Date: Nov 2001

Posts: 20306
Share

Post
#3

08-24-2004, 05:43 AM

That's not right.

..and I'm off.
Comment
strobi

Confirmed User

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 7383
Share

Post
#4

08-24-2004, 05:43 AM

OUCHHHHHHHhhh.... you took a big hit there! Reminds me to secure some trademarks!
Comment
Pornopat

AdultTubeSubmits.com

Join Date: Dec 2003

Posts: 10598
Share

Post
#5

08-24-2004, 05:48 AM

Sorry to hear that dude.

https://stripcash.com/sign-up/?userI...fff832eb95ab6a
Comment
GTS Mark

Vrume Mark

Join Date: Jan 2001

Posts: 20912
Share

Post
#6

08-24-2004, 05:50 AM

Very sorry to hear that Olof, thank you however for the years of great traffic you sent to my galleries!

DH
Comment
cayne

My time is coming...

Join Date: Jan 2004

Posts: 7476
Share

Post
#7

08-24-2004, 05:51 AM

Damn, that sucks. I hate these trademark issues...

If lesbian anal is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Comment
Fake Nick

So Fucking Banned

Join Date: Jul 2004

Posts: 7708
Share

Post
#8

08-24-2004, 05:52 AM

thats just bullshit ! bulldog = generic no one should be allowed to enforce trademarks on that

it is not like they made the term up !
Comment
steffie

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2002

Posts: 2422
Share

Post
#9

08-24-2004, 05:55 AM

Here is some food for thought

Lets go and register a big Adult Site name for a trade mark for underwear, or sportsteam

than go to court 4 years after they have their site

Take their site away

Why bother paying eh?

Partying since '96 and not going anywhere Anna's Dorm
Comment
NiteRain

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jul 2002

Posts: 600
Share

Post
#10

08-24-2004, 05:57 AM

Dude I feel for you, actually got kind of the same email, from realtor.org, but they wanted to know if I was accredited with them or not. Sucks.

AIM: PerlScriptor
Comment
Reak

So Fucking Banned

Join Date: Mar 2003

Posts: 17920
Share

Post
#11

08-24-2004, 06:01 AM

Fuck that's bad man
Comment
Lee

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 2977
Share

Post
#12

08-24-2004, 07:28 AM

Hmm you should look up the verdict on the WIPO case of polo.com and get your lawyer onto it.
Comment
brand0n

been very busy

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 26983
Share

Post
#13

08-24-2004, 07:32 AM

you should so be able to beat this. way 2 generic.

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#14

08-24-2004, 07:36 AM

So if someone has a trademark for that name in any country of the world, they can grab your domain from you?

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
Martin

"Assassins"

Join Date: Dec 2001

Posts: 17278
Share

Post
#15

08-24-2004, 07:39 AM

Damn sorry to hear that.
Comment
brand0n

been very busy

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 26983
Share

Post
#16

08-24-2004, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by BRISK
So if someone has a trademark for that name in any country of the world, they can grab your domain from you?

no

think about that for a sec. you dont think men magazine owns a trade mark on men, but do you think KRL is about to give up his baby men.com ? what about sex, ofcourse someone has trademarked sex by now, but im sure sex.com isnt about to hand over that jem.

want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.
Comment
Mike AI

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jan 2001

Posts: 3624
Share

Post
#17

08-24-2004, 07:41 AM

Sounds like you got screwed. Might want to invest in a better attorney.

Make big money on your Domains! Why wait 40 days to get paid with the other guys? Parked.com pays the most for your traffic, and cuts checks twice a month!
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#18

08-24-2004, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by brand0n
no

think about that for a sec. you dont think men magazine owns a trade mark on men, but do you think KRL is about to give up his baby men.com ? what about sex, ofcourse someone has trademarked sex by now, but im sure sex.com isnt about to hand over that jem.

Yes, I'm aware that words like sex or men can't be trademarked, but he said that the people who got his domain have the Dutch trademark for Bull Dog, maybe Dutch trademark laws allow it

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#19

08-24-2004, 07:44 AM

Olof, are you Dutch

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
Lee

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 2977
Share

Post
#20

08-24-2004, 07:59 AM

Ok, so you have been stuffed at WIPO:

http://arbiter.wipo.int/domains/deci...2004-0174.html

I had a quick look and saw that the panelist (sole) seemed to use the Benelux trademark laws as you are both resident there, however that seems a bit strange considering it was a .com domain. I could understand it more if it was a .nl.

BTW is your lawyer a specialist in internet law?
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#21

08-24-2004, 08:05 AM

both parties are domiciled in the Netherlands

This part is what might have really nailed you. I wonder if you weren't domiciled in the Netherlands, if they would have been able to take this domain from you? hmmmm

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
JamesK2

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2004

Posts: 6589
Share

Post
#22

08-24-2004, 08:11 AM

That sucks, man
Comment
fr33s3x

Confirmed User

Join Date: Apr 2003

Posts: 5064
Share

Post
#23

08-24-2004, 08:13 AM

Isn't Bulldog some kind of coffeeshop in Amsterdam ?
I'm sorry to hear that man.. Take care
Comment
European Lee

Confirmed User

Join Date: Dec 2002

Posts: 7133
Share

Post
#24

08-24-2004, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Mike AI
Sounds like you got screwed. Might want to invest in a better attorney.

Nah these keyboard attorneys will set him on the right path

Regards,

Lee

YOUR TRAFFIC IS SAFE WITH US - CONDOM CASH
PUTTING THE GAY ADULT INDUSTRY ON YOUR PC!!
AFFORDABLE 2257 COMPLIANT GAY + BI CONTENT
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#25

08-24-2004, 08:18 AM

the website <buldog.com> handles about 1,000,000 visits per day; that since June 8, 2001, there have been more than 518,000,000 visits; and, that the reported turnover for 2003, is ? 76,000.00.

hmmmm

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
Snake Doctor

I'm Lenny2 Bitch

Join Date: Mar 2001

Posts: 13449
Share

Post
#26

08-24-2004, 08:25 AM

That's a bad beat Olof.
Something like this they could have at least given you 30 days notice or something so you could redirect all the traffic to your other domain.

I don't know anything about Dutch law but here in the U.S. we'd be suing someone's ass off

sig too big
Comment
justsexxx

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Aug 2001

Posts: 13723
Share

Post
#27

08-24-2004, 08:26 AM

Hi,

Not aure if you have a good attorney yet, is not, I can recommend you http://www.solv.nl/

We have great experience with them, and so had dialxs, kazaa, and some other p2p networks.

They also have patent/trademarks specialists there.

Andre

Questions?

ICQ: 125184542
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#28

08-24-2004, 08:33 AM

Because you only live 30 minutes from The Bulldog Cafe in Amsterdam, it seems unlikely that you had no prior knowledge of their trademark when you registered the domain.

I'd say that fact made it much easier for them to prove that you registered the domain in bad faith. It would have been much more difficult if you were from Australia or somewhere far away and had never visited Amsterdam before.

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
Lee

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 2977
Share

Post
#29

08-24-2004, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by BRISK
Because you only live 30 minutes from The Bulldog Cafe in Amsterdam, it seems unlikely that you had no prior knowledge of their trademark when you registered the domain.

I'd say that fact made it much easier for them to prove that you registered the domain in bad faith. It would have been much more difficult if you were from Australia or somewhere far away and had never visited Amsterdam before.

thats quite tenuous...he could have named it in honour of his dog that he had as a twelve year old.

This is a bad decision owing to the generic nature of the words in my albeit not worth much opinion.
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#30

08-24-2004, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by Lee
thats quite tenuous...he could have named it in honour of his dog that he had as a twelve year old.

This is a bad decision owing to the generic nature of the words in my albeit not worth much opinion.

What if his dog's name was McDonald's or Coca-Cola? Would that make it ok to use a domain with those words in it?

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
Lee

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 2977
Share

Post
#31

08-24-2004, 08:47 AM

Potentially, Mcdonalds yes, Coca Cola no.

Mcdonald is a common name of Scottish origin.

Coca Cola is a created name by a company.

Cola should be ok though....
Comment
Lee

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2002

Posts: 2977
Share

Post
#32

08-24-2004, 08:53 AM

But of course money talks and smaller fish get fucked.
Comment
pimpin

Confirmed User

Join Date: Jun 2004

Posts: 565
Share

Post
#33

08-24-2004, 08:58 AM

A trademark doesn't give ANYONE exclusivity over a domain or exclusivity to use the term in another business practice. You can have 1800 companies all using the name bulldog as long as they don't deal in the same sort of business. CLEARLY you don't with these guys. They probably were just pissed and jealous

This is so total BS. . . Too bad it can't be overturned . . . . Or can it. I'd suggest you call John Berryhill. . . .(Look his name up at any site dealing with domains. . . .he has many wins defending Ultsearch among others )
, Ari Golderger (www.esqwire.com) or David Dingeman (cyberights.com)

By the way I used to own thebulldog.com sold it to a company in NL . . . HMMMMM I think I got 2k

---------------------------------
Comment
Roald

SecretFriends.com

Join Date: May 2001

Posts: 27910
Share

Post
#34

08-24-2004, 09:02 AM

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...ght=buldog.com

Thats pretty fucked up man, hope this will work out for you.

WE ARE BUYING PAY SITES! CONTACT ME

ClubSweethearts | ManUpFilms | SinfulXXX | HOT * AdultPrime * HOT

Paying webmasters since 1996! Contact: r.riepen @ sansylgroup.com | telegram: roaldr
Comment
BRISK

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Feb 2003

Posts: 12240
Share

Post
#35

08-24-2004, 09:04 AM

I do agree that the word "BULLDOG" is very generic, and it's questionable whether it should have been given trademark protection.

I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do,
I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.
Comment
Basic_man

Programming King Pin

Join Date: Oct 2003

Posts: 27360
Share

Post
#36

08-24-2004, 09:07 AM

That suck hard time !

UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress!
Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !
Comment
Corona

Confirmed User

Join Date: Feb 2002

Posts: 2185
Share

Post
#37

08-24-2004, 10:30 AM

That sucks big time.

I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
And heaven knows I'm miserable now
Comment
Doctor Dre

Too lazy to set a custom title

Join Date: Jan 2001

Posts: 51692
Share

Post
#38

08-24-2004, 10:38 AM

WTF it's a generic name . They should never have won this ...

Originally posted by rayadp05

I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
Comment
KCat

Confirmed User

Join Date: Sep 2002

Posts: 2204
Share

Post
#39

08-24-2004, 01:17 PM

That's horrible. 4 years of hard work...I hope there's something you can do to get the decision reversed.

~ 300+ FHGs, 100,000 pics to use plus a rockin' Video of the Day download! ~
Comment
buldog

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2004

Posts: 115
Share

Post
#40

08-24-2004, 11:56 PM

I thank you all for the suggestions and shown support. But given the nature of this matter as well as the started legal actions from me against trademark owner The Bulldog I must respectfully decline from discussing in this matter. I trust you all understand.

Thx,
Olof
Comment
xxxdesign-net

My hips don't lie

Join Date: Nov 2002

Posts: 10129
Share

Post
#41

08-25-2004, 12:01 AM

Do you accept any gallery submission to your TGP..? Last time I try at buldog.com .. the email adress wasnt working... Let me know..

Good Luck..
Comment
stereolab

Confirmed User

Join Date: Mar 2004

Posts: 798
Share

Post
#42

08-25-2004, 12:02 AM

that's fucking horseshit.
Comment
Marie

Confirmed User

Join Date: May 2003

Posts: 3024
Share

Post
#43

08-25-2004, 12:07 AM

Good luck Olof!!!!

Maria - maria at photorama.nl - Photorama International
CONTENT LOADS of content in various niches - many photo/video combinations! CONTENT
Comment
Illicit

wtf ?

Join Date: Dec 2003

Posts: 11895
Share

Post
#44

08-25-2004, 12:15 AM

that fucking blows man... good luck on getting it back...

Insert Sig Here
Comment
s9ann0

Confirmed User

Join Date: Sep 2001

Posts: 4873
Share

Post
#45

08-25-2004, 12:17 AM

thats fucked up I don't believe I soked there I'd fly out there go in the place and kickoff
Comment
monster310

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2004

Posts: 105
Share

Post
#46

08-25-2004, 12:18 AM

I will make sure to spit on the window of the BullDog cafe next time I am in Amsterdam. That is complete BS.
Comment
adultentertainment

Confirmed User

Join Date: Dec 2003

Posts: 170
Share

Post
#47

08-25-2004, 12:23 AM

FUCKING BULLSHIT

love da biz
Comment
Mike Dutch

Confirmed User

Join Date: Aug 2003

Posts: 5607
Share

Post
#48

08-25-2004, 12:33 AM

Sorry to hear that Olof,

Gonna give u a call right now, see if we can help

Advidi.com -- Your Dating, Diet and Skincare Partner with over 1000 offers --
Comment
s9ann0

Confirmed User

Join Date: Sep 2001

Posts: 4873
Share

Post
#49

08-25-2004, 12:36 AM

where are you based olof?
Comment
SomeCreep

:glugglug

Join Date: Mar 2003

Posts: 26118
Share

Post
#50

08-25-2004, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by buldog
Hi,

What nobody expected occurred? http://www.buldog.com and http://www.bulldog.com both domain names based on common names and very popular are incorrectly claimed to be used in bad faith by the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. In spite of the commitment from Network Solutions to block the web pages till the outcome of the Dutch court the two domains are unexpected transferred and blocked to the Dutch trademark owner The Bulldog Amsterdam. The claim is submitted after more than 4 years when I started the web pages. There are more than 800 other registered Bulldog trademarks in more than 20 countries. All activities are meanwhile transferred to http://www.bulldoglist.com.

Let me know if you have any questions. Webmasters can contact me by webmaster at bulldoglist.com

Thx,
Olof

Wow, thats harash. Make sure to fight this all the way to the end in court. "Bull dog" is way too generic to claim ownership of and take away your domains.

Webair Hosting

I use and recommend Webair for hosting.
Comment

Previous 1 2 template Next

Working...