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Ice · 08-23-2004, 11:18 PM

50 rebills

stocktrader23 · 08-23-2004, 11:24 PM

First, people have more money than most here give them credit for.

Second, why not charge $100 to get access payable in 5 monthly installments of $20. You can't "cancel" something that you are simply making payments on because you already agreed to the full term of the sale.

Snake Doctor · 08-23-2004, 11:29 PM

The way some programs are run, by the time you're done with the "FREE TRIAL" that rebills in 24 hours at $40 and the two prechecked cross sells that rebill @ $40 each they're already taking in $120....so if they switched to your method they'd be taking a pay cut.

freeadultcontent · 08-23-2004, 11:43 PM

Ok there are some paysite program owners in this thread which is good to see. Some of the arguments for this super high end initial purchase are humorous at best. Lets go over a few.
1. Card not present transactions. Do not care if it is non tangible or tangible, it is high risk. Chargebacks are easy. Even if you have an item delivered and signed for the chances are slim you will get money out of them from a chargeback.
2. Non tangible item, no delvery address, so zero proof it was the card owner who ordered it. Even if they have a static ip to their house. You can not proove it was actually that person. Also assuming you could costs to chase people all over the world for 100.00 a pop would just be idiotic.
3. Sticker shock. You would scare away alot of potential buyers.
4. Many sites, even those who offer fantastic members area's love forgetfull customers. Many may never notice a 25.00 charge each month, where as a 100.00 charge sticks out on statement.
5. Justification of value. Just try to justify costing that much.

Now having done many trial-1m-3m-6m join options on sites. I can honestly tell you that trials have few to no fraud and turn into rebills often. One month joins stay at under .02% fraud and rebill several times on average. Now when I look over those 3 month to 6 month options. I can tell you the fraud and chargeback rate is a great deal higher. Often on a six month join they will chargeback around month 4 to 5. Leaving you 100-125 or so less than if they went monthly.

Now loyalty bonus's do work well and keep a monthly alot longer.
Ok I gave my braindump on issue.

Edit totally forgot one thing - "if everyone did this" This industry is far from socialist or even getting along much. You sell a site at 100 a pop someone will offer same amount of material for less. It is competition and capitalism at work.

jennycards · 08-23-2004, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kard63
Price fixing conspiracy is illegal in the USA.

Similar laws apply to the EU

Elli · 08-23-2004, 11:55 PM

interesting thread.

Donnie Gangsta · 08-24-2004, 12:04 AM

I have a lot of experience with different pricing options..

The most profitable with the least amount of fraud is a mid priced monthly membership -- $19.95 or $24.95 with no trial..

$19.95 with no trial gets you around $80 minus processing fee.. (4 months average retention over about an 18 month period)

$4.95 converting to $39.95 only gets you about $68 minus fees with a LOT more chargebacks than $19.95 flat..

If per sign up programs could get rid of trials the industry would be so much better off but unfortunately that's not possible..

So we pay our webmasters $50 per sign up on $29.95/monthly memberships as opposed to just $30 on the $4.95 trial.. they're NOT almost twice as hard to sell so it's worth it to promote those..

- Donnie

Doctor Dre · 08-24-2004, 04:22 PM

1st : Chargeback of 100 $ hurt more then 30 $ chargeback

2nd : Lots of people aren't ready to pay 100 $ for porn

tony286 · 08-24-2004, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
What happens when you pay the affiliate his $50 during the first month, only to watch the chargebacks roll in 2 months later?

This pricing model is ripe for friendly fraud, isn't it?

I agree and 100 dollar chargebacks are a much quicker way to get to 1 %

BVF · 08-24-2004, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dustman
We have a $99.95 option for 6 months.

It is a discount from the normal $19.95/month

We get about a dozen $99 signups a day.
Our affiliates love them!

Affiliates get paid half - $49.97

http://www.HowIgotRich.com

$1,000 webmaster bonuses for 2004

Yep and I copied that 99.95 price option from your site and put it on my site and people WILL buy it every once in awhile....Nice chunk of change for one signup.

08-23-2004, 11:18 PM	#51
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08-23-2004, 11:24 PM	#52
stocktrader23 Let's do some business. Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The dirty south. Posts: 18,781	First, people have more money than most here give them credit for. Second, why not charge $100 to get access payable in 5 monthly installments of $20. You can't "cancel" something that you are simply making payments on because you already agreed to the full term of the sale. __________________ Hands Free Adult - Join Once, Earn For Life "I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."

08-23-2004, 11:29 PM	#53
Snake Doctor I'm Lenny2 Bitch Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: On top of my soapbox Posts: 13,449	The way some programs are run, by the time you're done with the "FREE TRIAL" that rebills in 24 hours at $40 and the two prechecked cross sells that rebill @ $40 each they're already taking in $120....so if they switched to your method they'd be taking a pay cut. __________________ sig too big

08-23-2004, 11:43 PM	#54
freeadultcontent Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: "evitcepsrep ruoy egnahc" Posts: 9,976	Ok there are some paysite program owners in this thread which is good to see. Some of the arguments for this super high end initial purchase are humorous at best. Lets go over a few. 1. Card not present transactions. Do not care if it is non tangible or tangible, it is high risk. Chargebacks are easy. Even if you have an item delivered and signed for the chances are slim you will get money out of them from a chargeback. 2. Non tangible item, no delvery address, so zero proof it was the card owner who ordered it. Even if they have a static ip to their house. You can not proove it was actually that person. Also assuming you could costs to chase people all over the world for 100.00 a pop would just be idiotic. 3. Sticker shock. You would scare away alot of potential buyers. 4. Many sites, even those who offer fantastic members area's love forgetfull customers. Many may never notice a 25.00 charge each month, where as a 100.00 charge sticks out on statement. 5. Justification of value. Just try to justify costing that much. Now having done many trial-1m-3m-6m join options on sites. I can honestly tell you that trials have few to no fraud and turn into rebills often. One month joins stay at under .02% fraud and rebill several times on average. Now when I look over those 3 month to 6 month options. I can tell you the fraud and chargeback rate is a great deal higher. Often on a six month join they will chargeback around month 4 to 5. Leaving you 100-125 or so less than if they went monthly. Now loyalty bonus's do work well and keep a monthly alot longer. Ok I gave my braindump on issue. Edit totally forgot one thing - "if everyone did this" This industry is far from socialist or even getting along much. You sell a site at 100 a pop someone will offer same amount of material for less. It is competition and capitalism at work. __________________ Exclusive Ethnic & Microniche Sites Last edited by freeadultcontent; 08-23-2004 at 11:46 PM..

08-23-2004, 11:55 PM	#56
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	interesting thread. __________________ email: [email protected]

08-24-2004, 12:04 AM	#57
Donnie Gangsta Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,104	I have a lot of experience with different pricing options.. The most profitable with the least amount of fraud is a mid priced monthly membership -- $19.95 or $24.95 with no trial.. $19.95 with no trial gets you around $80 minus processing fee.. (4 months average retention over about an 18 month period) $4.95 converting to $39.95 only gets you about $68 minus fees with a LOT more chargebacks than $19.95 flat.. If per sign up programs could get rid of trials the industry would be so much better off but unfortunately that's not possible.. So we pay our webmasters $50 per sign up on $29.95/monthly memberships as opposed to just $30 on the $4.95 trial.. they're NOT almost twice as hard to sell so it's worth it to promote those.. - Donnie