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Sovjetz: It's not that easy: I just live in the Netherlands http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
I want to mind ppl is that penalties are not here to get rid of bad people or to end suffering... whoever thinks that is a fool. The primary reason for penalty was, and should be, punishing someone, so that he knows he has done a crime, and accepts that he needs to change his/her behavior in order to get back into society. Anybody who thinks otherwise may well do so, but in my eyes, the whole american justice system is proof that those hardline ideas planly don't work. Just an example: ppl in New York even may not have a beer on the street and it's still a mess. Here in the netherlands we blow weed and still it's not a mess... something to think about? |
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~~~~VeRy Interesting.... Stayed up after work this morning... To see McVeigh get what he deserved... Was reading my fav board... GFy.... decided to post his destruction... HERE!!!! Went bed .. Woke up!! 40 GfY posts... WholEy Shit.... Keepm Cummimg!!! ~Xpit |
I am 100% behind the death penalty. But, only one meted out from a perfect, fair, infallible justice system. Since I don't believe that such a thing exists here, or anywhere...I find myself on the fence.
If guilt is as obvious as it is in the McVeigh/Nichols case and the damage so severe, I support it. But, putting an innocent man or woman behind bars for life is a horrific mistake, let alone killing them, so it is always best to err on the side of caution. The whole point of capital punishment is suppose to be about protecting the community from this person forever, not revenge. I catch myself getting so angry about some crimes that I want them to fry even if I don't think they may do it again. That's wrong. So, when it comes to the McVeighs, the Gacys, the Dahmers of the world...fry 'em. You never know in the future whether an appeal will let them off or laws change or they just simply think he/she is re-habilitated. I would rather know for sure they will never hurt anyone again. Oh...and don't get me started on what I think they should do to pedophiles lol. |
Shut up and get back to making gallery pages jerkoffs. If your not from this country, shut your fucking hole, your opinion doesnt matter. Get back in your hut before we carpet bomb your village. If you are from this country, shut your fucking hole, your opinion doesn't matter. |
Always glad to hear La Brat's well argumented and well thought opinions.
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At least you can get something up then LOL.
And according to edwin himself (who called me last week) there is no problem at all between us La Brat. Get your story straight. |
Muchos --
Thats some Goddammed fine cheese you people make. Keep up the gouda work http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif My view, for what it's worth.... there are a few people in this world that don't have a right to be here. They are not human, and not humane in any way. Names like Dahmer, Gasey, Paul Bernardo, Ted Bundy, David Burkowitz, pretty much every sicko listed here: http://www.crimelibrary.com/serialkillers.htm and yes, Tim McVeigh. I have no doubt whatsoever that, if we tried to rehabilitate most of these monsters, they would kill again. Don't bother arguing with me, because one person here (April Kournikova http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/biggrin.gif ) talked about "erring on the side of caution"... and killing off these fucking whackos is doing exactly that -- taking away any chance of them killing another person, possibly someone you know even. Your sweet niece? Your little sister? Your dad? It's not only punishment folks, it's also about protection, and protecting society from further harm from these fuckups. I applaud the few states that still fry these mindless headholes like Mcveigh. Shit, let me pull the switch (or push the plunger or whatever, fuck, let me step on his throat). Am I violent by nature? Absolutely not, but I am passionate about justice and protection. Gun control -- Ya, take all the guns away from private citizens and have only criminals running around armed...ya, that'll solve everything. Sure. I think that crooks would think twice if everyone carried a gun actually. Would you try and rob me if you suspected that I might be packin a glock? Doubtful. Gun control won't work, and it won't last. <font face="Arial">___________ CD http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/An...cool_shine.gif * <a href="http://www4.smutserver.com/babes/bgnetwork/submit.html" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#27FFFC">Babe Galleries Network</font></a> < -- submit galleries here * <a href="http://www.oliver-klozov.com/cgi-bin/refer.cgi?ref=cdsmithok" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#CBE6FF">60% of all signups, 40% of all rebills</font></a> + High Quality free content, mthly cash bonuses * <a href="http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/Anti-Censorship%20Site/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFCCCC">Sites Against Censorship</a><font color="#EDDDDD"> Support us, support your future</font></font> |
Christ, f*ckin' Americans, I just cannot believe you guys. Sometimes you're just like animals! Listen to yourself: "Haha, kill that guy, cool! He must die, he deserves it!" You seem happy that he is dead! Are you really so f*ckin' primitive over there or is it just me??
Anyway, like people who live in a 'higher' environment like Much0S etc. already mentioned; dead sentence does not solve a damn thing! It's nothing but a prehistoric primitive 'do-first-think-later' reason why all you guys like Tim to be dead, if you would take the effort to think about it for only 1 sec. you would see the beastiality of it. I just think such a guy needs to be 'psychologically cured' and if that's not possible (coz he cannot be cured, like Tim) give him the worst penalty you can think of. Now what's worse for him; have a few years of fear and die and that's it or spend his whole goddamn life in prison, and him knowing that?!!? To me it's pretty obvious that the last one is much worse for him! Plus if you do that you can let him work for free and in that way the guy is even in use of society; he makes money for it! Well, enough flaming for now, I will probably never get it... I think it's just a matter of the age of the civilisation, which is centuries larger over here in Europe. Obviously these centuries are needed... So that would mean it will take another let's say 400 years until the US will be at the same level of civilisation as at which europe is nowadays... so that will mean another 400 years of useless, beastious state killing... Just hope it will be earlier... Tim aka Tha Timinator. |
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You're right, we're such beasts... The next time some crazy fucker kills 168 innocent people including several children. I'd happily opt to send him your way... you go ahead and put him up in your house and teach him about how what he's done is wrong. If you have children, I'm sure he'd make a great playmate.. The guy killed 168 people feels no remorse whatsoever... in fact, he mentioned that he didn't know about the day care facility in the building he simply called it collateral damage. I don't necessarily think killing him by lethal injection is the best answer.. I'd probably rather have the fucker put into a small space capsule and spend the money that we would have spent keeping his ass alive in prison, to shoot his sick ass towards the sun.. let's help the bastard adjust to hell! http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif Just my 2 cents http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/wink.gif -KC ------------------ http://paycounter.com |
We certainly don't need to look back 400 years to see how the "higher civilizations" values life.
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KC, I totally agree with you that it's horrible what he has done. I also know he doesn't show regret of any kind so any kind of cure won't be possible for him. But what I was trying to say is that putting him in jail his whole life and let him work for what he costs the country and perhaps he will even earn some more, which is good for the country ofcourse, is much worse for him so that's the way to go in my opinion.
And please don't think the dead sentence is cheaper than a life in jail... dead sentence costs a several times more in fact, only think of those two chocolate-mint icecreams for dessert http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif... so in brief: if a life in jail is worse for Tim than dead sentence why execute him!?!?! You all want what's worst for him right!?!? And another point worth to mention; due to his dead penalty Tim is almost made to somekind of 'hero' by all the media and stuff. eye-witnesses telling how he kept his pride, who intensely he looked all right in the eyes and how well he was prepared to die... the man almost died a honorable death!! so i think he can be _very_ happy with how he has come to his ending! the _whole_ world talks about him and knows who he is, and when exactly he has died. everyone knows how cool he was while waiting for his death to come... the man is made to an hero and he will be even prouder than he already was now he's in heaven/hell/wherever!! ... tim. |
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Simple fact of the matter is, next time I am in Amsterdam, if I see you... your clogs are going up your ass. [This message has been edited by [Labret] (edited 06-11-2001).] |
don't see why Much0S' clogs should go up his ass??
and to add to my latter post: only look at us discussing him and his situation on this stupid board! my reasoning goes like this: THAT SHITHOLE OF A TIMOTHY DOES NOT DESERVE ALL THIS ATTENTION AND TALK ABOUT HIM!!!!!! so just give him a life in jail and he will the most miserable life anyone can think of! |
Ok, maybe the Death penalty is barbaric by some standards, but you can't look at one thing and judge an entire culture.
We have a cowboy culture and there are just too many people. We gotta thin the herd and guys like McVeigh are elected. I was reading the other day that in Italy a woman can't legally be raped if she's wearing jeans, because they can't be ripped off. Also that grabbing a woman's ass isn't consider "sexual harassment". That doesn't sound like an "advanced civilization" to us. Using those examples it's safe to say we're more advanced when it comes to the rights of women than Italy. But we can't really judge an entire culture because of a couple of examples. The death penalty is popular here, it's what we want. Maybe it's not right, and like I said earlier - I think life in prison is a better punishment. But it's democracy in action. http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif [This message has been edited by Warphead (edited 06-11-2001).] |
I dunno Tim (and muchos), you leave me unconvinced. Take the case of Charlie Manson.....that fucker looks to me like he's still enjoying life. Every time he's showcased on some show or documentary, he's always playing with your mind during the interview. I say that bastard should have been fried too, along with his harem from hell.
Bottom line, if you want this thread to die, quit fucking flapping off about how savage the US is. If it wasn't for the American (and Canadian) savages during WWI, WWII and that latest little bit of civility in Czechoslov-wackia, you'd all be wearing shvastikas and singin a higher note for your "insolence"!! Sieg Heil buddy. Don't look down your fucking noses at the US for this. As someone else said earlier, if it was YOUR children that were blown to shreds, or your mom, your dad, or your WIFE, you'd be the first ones crying to hang the fucker by his balls. Don't kid yourself. <font face="Arial">___________ CD http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/An...cool_shine.gif * <a href="http://www4.smutserver.com/babes/bgnetwork/submit.html" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#27FFFC">Babe Galleries Network</font></a> < -- submit galleries here * <a href="http://www.oliver-klozov.com/cgi-bin/refer.cgi?ref=cdsmithok" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#CBE6FF">60% of all signups, 40% of all rebills</font></a> + High Quality free content, mthly cash bonuses * <a href="http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/Anti-Censorship%20Site/" TARGET="_blank"><font color="#FFCCCC">Sites Against Censorship</a><font color="#EDDDDD"> Support us, support your future</font></font> |
What a bunch of socialistic pussies! The death penalty is by far the only way to go with people like McVeigh. Why the fuck spend time, money and effort with someone who is locked away for all their life. Rehab those that can be rehabed but get rid of the rest.
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This thread is too short... so I'll add my .02 http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
Death penalty and guns - no comment. McVeigh - guilty or not, deserving of death or not, the American justice system has been severely twisted by all of this. As someone mentioned before, what about the innocent folks who get put to death. That evidence which was withheld by the FBI rightly should have been part of the trial and submitted for the jury to weigh. Instead it was quickly reviewed by a judge. This issue (how many innocent folks could be sentenced to death in the USA?) was constantly avoided by reflecting on the fact that McVeigh is still guilty and so justice works. As if to say justice always works. For the administration, this case was more important as a means of reinstating Federal executions than it was about serving justice. The religous right is here and they brought their crosses with them. |
You know, I think they should have killed that bastard a long long time ago! They just wasted money on his trial and keeping him in jail all this time. I'm glad he's finally dead.
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At least we're sure he's guilty. I'm not so confident of all the other guys on Death Row. Was it Illinois where the Governor suspended executions because mostly on the basis of DNA evidence, about half the guys who were on Death Row were PROVEN innocent after their convictions.
Now, stop a moment and think: Does that mean that about half the people in prison in general may be innocent? What the FUCK is wrong with our justice system? And why do we have so many people in prison? ------------------ Producer of truly original teen/young woman-oriented adult content at Wonders of the Unseen World |
Allright, my $.02 for anybody who gives a shit.
1st off, I want to clarify that I agree almost exactly with MuchOS on his posts. I will also say that I am not at all religious and have never been a relative or friend of a victim of such a horrible crime, like the bombing. That being said, it could be argued that "if it was your kid that got killed/raped/assaulted, etc... you would want to see the guy killed yadda, yadda, yadda..." Well sure, we all have fantasized about good old fashioned revenge, street justice, and the desire to fuck someone up to get even. But laws are in place to protect the innocent, and the death penalty is not the answer. I have always been a strong supporter of the death penalty... until today. Sure the shitbag is dead now, but what did it solve? No he won't commit another crime, and everyone can crap on about "closure" and "justice" being served. My fucking ass! There will never be closure because the dead can't be brought back. And this was vengeance pure and simple. Too many Americans "needed" McVeigh dead. Well guess what! The fucker didn't act alone! And he didn't act with two or three others either. This was a well planned out attack folks. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but fuck an A, the mob killed Kennedy almost 40 years ago, and the bottom man was the only person who REALLY answered for it. Same situation here. A LOT of dirty hands in this one. McVeigh took the fall for countless people I'm sure. Maybe many weren't involved, but many sure knew about it. Then there was that "blunder" with the FBI last month... hmmm.... Killing McVeigh wasn't the answer. He died a martyr. All he probably had to do was plea bargain a life sentence by turning in some names... some of which were no doubt government officials. But he probably wasn't given this option. The stupid public wanted a quick fix -- and six years is very quick -- to try to put closure on this. McVeigh would have done a Jimmy Hoffa if he opened his mouth. This way he dies peacefully, and without fear of being hunted, and a hero to "his kind." Additionally look at states with the death penalty... hmmm Texas is putting them away like nobody's business, and guess which state has one of the highest crime rates per capita??? Yup. The death penalty is NOT a deterrent for crime. Never has been, never will be. Look at Australia. Nobody has guns, there is no death penalty, and guess what... their crime rate per capita is miniscule compared to the USA. Don't get me wrong. I fucking love the USA. I've been to enough foreign countries to appreciate that I live in the best damn place in the world, but there are major problems here... and a lot of them lie within the way people think. The justice system exists the way it does to protect the innocent. Innocent people get killed all the time... on the streets, and in the death chambers. Tis better to let 10 guilty men free than to kill 1 innocent man. And no, I am not saying that McVeigh is innocent here. He was guilty as fuck. And lastly... don't kid yourself about the death sentence being cheaper than a life sentence. That shit is laughable! Do you have any idea how much money it costs to put this shit through the courts, and all of the appeals, and the lawyers and court fees, etc. I don't either, but it is TONS more than housing the scumbag in a concrete cell for 50 years with no way out, and the other inmates to deal with. Whew... I'm tired! LAJ YNOT Network http://www.ynotmasters.com [This message has been edited by LAJ (edited 06-11-2001).] [This message has been edited by LAJ (edited 06-11-2001).] [This message has been edited by LAJ (edited 06-11-2001).] |
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Glad we have another one on our side LAJ http://bbs.gofuckyourself.com/board/smile.gif
You mentioned a very good point: all you guys out there who think death penalty, having really high jail sentences and being allowed to walk around with guns actually reduces violence/criminality then tell me: - Why is the US the only country where ppl are shot each 2 seconds? - Why is the US one of the most criminal and unsafe countries in the world? - Why is it that many of the most rich ppl in the US, like celebrities, let their children grow up in Europe? - Why is it that in the US, there are a lot of innocent ppl? The rules you guys have are mostly based on the time that you guys were building up the country. As I mentioned earlier they are for the 'wild' west. Ofcourse in those times you must have been crazy not to have a gun... Time to change I think. You are changing things you shouldn't change (like the 1st amandment, aka freedom of speech), so why shouldn't you change the things you should? |
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Why is that millions of people try to immigrate, sneak, swim, border jump, into this evil land every year if its so bad? Your people profit from animal abuse. Everyone knows your country leads the world in bestiality production. Get a fucking clue. I doubt you have ever even been to this country. I am buying an extra set of clogs to go up your ass. [This message has been edited by [Labret] (edited 06-12-2001).] |
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Ppl want to go to America because of the money that can be made there. I'm not saying it's a bad country, hell no, there are worse countries around. All I'm saying is that it's time to change your justice system because it's not working anymore.
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MuchOS, I admire your patience. Those of you who think that the death penalty saves tax money, get your facts straight: http://www.amnesty-usa.org/abolish/cost.html (wouldn't hurt to browse through the amnesty site anyway if you'd like to base your opinion on facts) |
Thanks Joris!
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