Roger

I mean look at people in the west, especially US and Canada. They're huge consumers and the US population is expected to be over 500 million in 2050 and on top of that can you imagine China and India getting richer and becoming as huge consumers as us? The amount of pollution will be incredible and natural resources will be in huge demand.

jade_dragon

China would then invade India and Hong Kong/Taiwan to extend its borders and give its people more breathing room and resources. I hear that the manditory family size limits worked and now that India's population is getting up there China may be lifting the sanctions on birth numbers, anyone have any more info on this?

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I think it already happened not too long ago. I thought I read that somewhere.

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my sentiments exactly...what was the point of this thread anywas?


post some pics of hot asians or indians at lleast to redeem it a lil...

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China will not invade India. The international community will not stand for it.

Find some newspaper from 97 and you will learn that Hong Kong has been returned to China.

The idea that China would want Taiwan (and already have Hong Kong) for more breathing room and resources is laughable. Both are small territories and very poor in natural resources when compared to mainland China. Hong Kong became one of the main trading ports in the world. This consequently made the former colony a very wealthy place. Aside from the fact that the UK's lease on HK was about to be up, those where important point in China's desire of having HK back. The reasons why China wants Taiwan back are more based on politics (and that's an entirely different thread).

No matter how you slice it, China has one of the largest landmass in the world with plenty of natural resources. A very large part of western China doesn't have large populations in comparison to their main cities which are in the east. Those will be populated long before you see mainland settlers in Taipei.

Sanctions on birth numbers are being debated in China at the moment. As it is, families are allowed one child. This might change in the future.

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Interesting because we were reading HK was still attempting to become an independant state and was not under the control of mainland China in 99, I will look further into it.

As far as the international community preventing invasion it is not avoided by the international community saying it is ok or not, nor particuraly by them standing against it case in point, Iraq. China is a progressive country that looks into the future because it is in the culture to focus but to avoid tunnel vision. China is also a conquering and assimilating country, it is in their history and culture to do so. I do not believe China would wait untill its people are stacked on each other more to start aquiring territories outside of its borders, case in point Tibet in the early 2000's with the President barking threats at China's plans to assimilate. Some would argue that assimilation for resources or to expand in any mannor including more living space would be political.

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Mike Okitch:

Agree. China is too busy to play stupid games. Also agree that no nation, irrespective of "power", can act "because they feel like it". The retaliatory effects of other nations and "condemnation" by the the international community would have massive financial consequences and "reaction" in many different ways. That "could" bring *any* nation to the ground.

Idiot talk of "nuking" is not a solution to anything... But sadly it looks like other nations still need a "nuclear deterrent" to protect them from the idiot kids on the block.

rambler

With India having nuclear weapons it is highly unlikely China would try and "invade" as surely it would result in their mutual destruction.

Mike Okitch

Hong Kong was actually leased to the UK for a period of 99 years which has ended on July 1st 1997 when the UK has given Hong Kong back to China.

To put a parallel here, there is a group in Quebec that wish for that province to become an independent state but this has not happened. The result is that Quebec remains a Canadian province. Yes, there are people in Hong Kong that wish for it to become an independent state, but that has not happened. So HK still is a Chinese province.

Rightly or wrongly, the USA believed that Iraq was posing a threat to the international community. That's the case they made when they sent Colin Powell to the UN to explain why they wanted to do a pre-emptive strike.

India has already declared having the nuclear bomb a few years ago. Yet China has not acted on it. If they felt it was such a threat, they would have acted on that already. Keeping that in mind, I would say that the argument of China attacking India over feeling threatened is weak. For the exception of minor border disputes over some area in the plateau of Tibet, both countries are good neighbors.

I have been lucky enough to have travelled to China and meet some of their people. I don't know where you get the idea that they are a progressive country. They are one of the most conservative nations that I know. Many subjects are still taboo and the majority of the products manufactured in China have not been invented there. This hardly shows a progressive spirit.

Tibet was invaded in the 50's by Mao's red army. But to show one event that was lead by a lunatic and happened 50 years ago does not reflect the thousands of years of history this country has. That's like saying that it's in Germany's culture to invade France. Besides, the point of invading Tibet was not to populate the area. It's a mountaineous region with little natural resources. To this day, there hasn't been an exodus of people leaving eastern China to settle in Tibet. The point really was politics. In China, "face" is often everything. It's to save face and try to put the Dalai Lama to silence that Tibet was invaded.

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The planet can't even sustain 6 billion people. Why lift sanctions on birth numbers? If anything, we should eliminate 5,999,000,000 people and start over with the "good" million. If it means my own death, then so be it. A human life is worth nothing compared to what mankind could achieve if it were willing to improve itself.

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some facts

For 20 years there has been a sanction on having one child only in china, this is because the population is so huge and not enough food and resources, it will never be lift as China is already half the worlds population.

Hong Kong is china but works on UK law and order and is different goverment and policy, they call it one country two systems.

China wouldnt invide India, they only care about money and there own people.

There will be a war with Taiwan and China if Taiwan want indepence (which they do) the day the declare the day they will be nuked (scary shit). This is due to china owns the land and will never give taiwan indepence even they want it so badly.

China economy is growing 8% yearly and they are getting very rich but only rich areas and cities, wheras some places to have no food ect.

Porn is 100% illegal in China, if you operate a porn website in china mainland you will be put in prison for up to 10 years!.

In Hong Kong porn is not illegal as we follow UK law.

Hong Kong is rich and has credit cards

China have credit cards like great wall of china card. Some cities have mastercard.

Mike Okitch

China does not own Taiwanese land. They want it but that's another story alltogether.

http://www.taiwandc.org/hst-1624.htm

The San Francisco Peace Treaty

"In 1951-52 the Allied Powers and Japan formally concluded World War II by concluding the San Francisco Peace Treaty. That Treaty is important for Taiwan, because it decided that Japan gave up sovereignty over Taiwan, but it was not determined who was the beneficiary: it was concluded that "...the future status of Taiwan will be decided in accord with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations."

The Charter of the UN contains article 1.2 which states that it is a purpose of the UN "To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples..." The formal result of the San Francisco Peace Treaty is thus that the people of Taiwan should determine the future status of the island based on the principle of self-determination This Treaty is thus the first, and the last, international treaty of the 20th Century which deals with the status of Taiwan. "

Self-determination would mean some sort of election or referendum. That has never happened.

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Economic power is power.

I live in Canada and I read the labels on most of the stuff that I purchase in the pursuit of my daily life and i'd say about 80% is manufactured in China.

Sometimes I think that if Chinese sweatshops stopped selling shit to Canada that life would definitely change for the worse.

I don't like thinking that, especially when Chinese diplomacy seems to be "speak softly and carry a big stick."

Can anyone guess who's navy is expanding the fastest in the world today?

Food for thought, and the plates you're eating off are probably Chinese.

jade_dragon

You and I know drastically differant chinese that is for sure.


China's history as a conquiring nation is not at all like Germany it is much closer to Great Britian or many of the African nations.

As far as China and Tibet there have been far more issues than that invasion concerning China's influince.

http://www.savetibet.org/Tibet/Tibet.cfm?ID=195&c=22

but I do thank you for posting, you did correct and inform me of some things I did not know.

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I was not saying that China's history was like the one of Germany. What I said is that suggesting that it's part of the Chinese culture to invade countries is like suggesting that it's part of the German's culture to invade France. Hitler and Mao where 2 nutjobs. But we don't associate every German to Hitler's actions and we should not associate every Chinese to Mao's actions of Tibet invasion and other acts of genocide.

I fail to see how China has been comparable to Great Britain. The Mongolians under Genghis Khan has conquered a large territory. But it was kept well within Eurasia. Perhaps you are confusing Mongolian history with the Chinese one? Great Britain in comparison has had an empire that literally went around the world on all continents.

I also fail to see which African nation has conquered other territories. A large number of these countries where conquered and colonized by European nations.

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Mike Okitch

Right on the money there Brisk. The world has just over 6 billion people.

China has 1 billion.

1/6 does not equal 1/2

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