Monolith vs Nats

Which one has a RAZOR feature?

both do

both do what?

NATS has no shaving feature.

none of them have shaving features as far as i know

welcome to the world of "hi im a dip shit:"

neither one of these softwares has shave modules and as far as i know neither one of them can even have this added at any cost.

For various reasons: NATS all the way!

Thanks for clearing that up

I'll be going with NATs it looks like for a project. They seemed more flexible than monolith

We're using a custom script at the moment and are looking at both of these as possible tools for our upgrade.

Right now, we're digging Monolith because of the content management features that it has built in. That's what it putting it at the head of the pack at the moment. NATS has a CMS module in the works, but that will (I'm sure) add more to the cost.

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any script guy can add any ting you whan

Even with compiled source code that you have no access to?

Would that still be possible?

I don't write code, so I have no clue.

I'd like to hear the answers to these and more. There are so many programs:

Truestats
Envisionext ASP
NATS
MPA3
Monolith
etc

The buzz I have been hearing say that NATS is the shiz. But I know some of the biggest guys are running Truestats and their programmer is a fucking code wizard. Envisionext looks bad ass with the reporting, and Oystein smells clean all the time. It's a really major decision, and I have seen people drop campaigns because the programs are running specific billers. It's crazy and heated.

Throw some more wood on the fire. See what chars and what survives.

I like monolith myself...

You know, I never liked you much. Now even more so. Are you even involved in this industry?

NATS has NO shaving feature. We have been asked, and offered a good deal of money, to add one and we have refused. NATS will NEVER have a shaving feature.

The CMS module is ready for use and is currently being modified to be 100% compliant with the new 2257 regulations.

A few quick non-technical reasons why NATS will better serve you.

1) We are here in this thread to get your feedback and feedback from everyone. We are active in the community.

2) The program in your signature uses it. There is a reason for that

Monolith = doesn't work and blows you off.

NATS = works and they are there to take of you.

yo lens what do you mean they blow you off, have you had a bad experience with them

Yeah, I bought their stuff. That's all I'll say.

I'm curious myself.

NATS and Monolith seem to be looking good.

Most of the people here by now know that I'm the lead developer of NATS. I wanted to post my view on Monolith vs NATS here, so below you will find a few points where I personally feel one is better than the other.

I will do my best in not posting anything wrong about monolith, I know their system a little bit from talking to Fletcher in the past and from seeing their demo and reading their site, but of course they might have changed or added features that I have not known about, so if anyone knows that I posted somethign that is not true, please post and correct me.

1) Like Candyflip said already, yes Monolith has a CMS built in and it comes with it, and yes our CMS is an add-on module you have to pay for. Like John posted already, the CMS is working (we use it ourself), and is active in our Demo at natsdemo.toomuchmedia.com. We are however continuing development of it, like with all of NATS, and one of the features in development is 2257 compatibility to help you keep your documents in order.

2) Monolith uses XSLT/XML for their templates, which sounds very "advanced" but for anyone that knows nothing about XSLT it is a PAIN to change templates, and its VERY techy. Their program templates AND their CMS templates use this, so even to change or add CMS for sites its not easy to do so for someone that does not know XSLT (if anyone wants to know what it is, let me know and I'll post a little snippet of XSLT).

3) Monolith charges per site, and their lease option is even limited to 5 sites. NATSlite costs only $150 and is a max of 2 sites, NATSplus costs $350 a month (basically the same as monolith does with 3 sites) and has a max of 5 sites, NATS itself costs $650, which is not a lot more and is unlimited in number of sites.

4) As far as I was told, for more advanced changes like payout changes per reseller you need a windows application to do the changes. This might sound ok to everyone, but in case of emergencies where you do not have your notebook handy with the windows app on, you might prefer changing stuff like this in the webadmin, which you can do in NATS. I am not sure WHAT exactly you need the windows app for, but there definately are things that you can not change from the web admin.

5) Monolith offers 1 Cascade, meaning for credit card sales. This is the standard way of course that 95% of the apps out there have so you might wonder whats so special. Well, the difference in NATS is that we let you setup 65000 cascades if you ever wanted to! Why? Well, first of all, Cascading does not only make sense for credit card sales. There are other billing options you might want to cascade. Also, with our option you can setup a cascade that not only has credit card forms in it, but also lets you cascade from credit cards to checks, or from checks to credit cards, or from checks to 123bill, or similar setups. With NATS you could also setup different credit card cascades and use different ones on different sites. (many reasons why this makes sense, with which I will not bore you now, this post is getting long enough.)

6) Since Today (in beta, so all of our clients reading this, wait a day or two and it'll be on your installation unless we see problems with it), we offer cascade and cascade entry targeting. This means we can target full cascades or single billers in a cascade to specific Countries (via geoip for example). For example, if you use WTS as your check biller, you would target the check cascade to US and CA since those are the only countries they can bill. This will cause the Join via Check option to not even appear on your join form if a non-US/CA surfer goes to it. Also, you could put 123bill at the end of your cascades, as a last-resort biller, and only let the surfer get sent to there if the surfer is from the US.

7) NATS offers very detailed reporting (lens, working on that new one you suggested right now, should have it done today). This lets you see your program in every detail, from every side. It helps you to understand in full details how your program is performing and helps you deceide your next steps. We keep adding more reports when we get suggestions from our customers.

8) One of the most important thing a program needs is the flexability to be able to payout in any of the standard ways in use out there. Monolith offers per sale, click and revshare payouts. NATS offers per raw, per unique, per qualified (2nd page clicks for example), per sale, per rebill, per active member, revshare and revshare with different percentages for initial and rebills and ANY combination of those! ($10 per sale plus 60% revshare for example). On top of that, via our extended payouts & stats module, you can payout on ANY event you can DREAM of. Great for personal site programs for example paying per-ad-placed or software program paying per-download and such.

9) Monolith says they support CCBill, Epoch, iBill and NETbilling. NATS currently supports: CCBill, Epoch, iBill, Jettis (I know, no more CC, but they still do other stuff), WTS, ElectraCash, NETbilling, 123Bill and we are working on CardsGate and a few other billers.


Thats it for now. VirtuMike, as to the other programs you mentioned, I sadly know very little about TrueStats, and even less about Envisionext ASP. I would LOVE to see Envisionext ASP in more detail though. (I did see a few TrueStats programs, its looking good.) Btw, I'm a Code Wizard too ;)

Regarding MPA3, judging from the Mansion homepage, MPA3 is not released yet, or is it and they just do not tell anyone?

MPA3 Info Here is the info for MPA3 it looks impressive

Have you used MPA3 yet?

We've had two people who got MPA3 come to us and get NATS after the fact because MPA3 was full of bugs. This was in the past month-month and a half. It might look impressive, but how it works is what counts.

damn if they blew you off, they don't care about their reputation much

Nathan...

You've definitely bumped your way up to the top of our list. That's for all the info. I'll be giving you a shout to take a closer look real soon.

don't forget about partnersoft from x3scripts

they have a lot of major programs using their product, and I hear very good things about it all the time

http://x3scripts.com/partnerprogram.html??

NATS all the way most big players are using it.

and NO there is No shaving feature

I also noticed ISprime is offering it as package deals http://www.isprime.com/hosting/nats.html that should mean something no?

nats looks nice, seems they have taken over what the mpa guys had

No shave possible with NATS, can't speak for the rest.

LMAO...get a clue

don't know if this was asked, but do nat clients get the source code?

You kidding right? Who in their right mind would give out source code that is worth 100s of thousands of dollars?

No, sorry. We have a 100% no source policy. This protects both us and our clients by maintaining the integrity of the product. It is becoming known as the system resellers prefer becuase it has no shave option. Giving out the source allows modifications by other parties and removes this trust.

Hope you understand.

If adult.com uses Nats then that must mean something.

I was looking at a different program untill I saw this thread. Thanks Nathan for all the info. I'll be contacting you guys in a couple months. Just spent a bundle on our 1st amendemnt lawyer, but this is next on our list!

hey there is no risk in just asking, you never know

Monolith kicks ass =)

we've been on it for a few months and love it

nats needs a design but provides decent stats.

not a big fan of how it manages the promo content really.

Monolith looks nice especially with the cms feature, but seems Lensman had a bad experience with them

We keep the base-design of NATS very clean just so you can easily adapt it to whatever you want. The system is 100% templated, you can change ANYTHING in the look of the system.

What exactly do you not like about the ad tools area, and which program are you basing this on?

Too bad nats doesn't cost more. Would have liked to see it priced higher so not everyone can afford it

I've got a client looking into affiliate software.

I recommended NATS because of what I heard. I haven't heard much about monolith, and this thread makes me wonder.... The NATS guys are all over here, and the programmer wrote a good comparison of the softwares... Where are the monolith guys with their response?

Thanks Sharky. One of the things I always stress to potential clients is that we are involved very closely with the industry so we know what people need and the trends that the industry is taking.

nice bump for my old thread

I think it's safe to say with any company you will have a different experience...some good / some bad.

I have been using Monolith for awhile and am very happy with it...As far as Fletcher of Monolith coming to the boards to post why you should use his script and not another companies...why?

You should do that yourself....findout what works best for your affiliate program instead of having someone sell you on their software.

I think both Monolith and NATS are very good companies and were there to answer questions I had.

Just my

We use River Styx on our smaller projects and programs

Pornkings is all built in-house and proprietary


River styx kicks ass

I don't think it's safe to say that. Find me someone who has had a bad experience with us. Please don't go posting that people have had bad experiences with us when you don't know a single person who has Thank you.

NATS