Useful Martial Arts

[andreasb]

Hi guys,

what Martial Arts do you think are useful in real life (I mean for example when some drunk 300 pound guy wants to beat the shit out of you in a bar)?

I think

Little useful:
Teak Won Do
Karate
Kung Fu

Useful:
Jiu Jitsu
Judo
Kickboxing
Aikido

Very useful:
Thai Boxing
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
Wrestling

What do you think?

Cheers,
Andreas

P.S. And don't forget - the best solution always is to just try to avoid fighting at all.

[pxxx]

I think kick boxing will work.

[Fabuleux]

I just draw my Samurai sword. They back off most of the time...

[andreasb]

I would think so too - until the fight goes on the ground. Then I don't see kickboxing as very effective anymore.

[andreasb]

Originally posted by Fabuleux
I just draw my Samurai sword. They back off most of the time...

Good to know that in the Netherlands you can enter bars with a Samurai sword.

[relton]

take a gun with u going to bar next time

[Odie]

I like your last one: avoid a fight!!

[Aquarius]

Jujitsu for sure.

[SinisterStudios]

Anything that teaches both standup and ground fighting, i take a freestyle version jiu jitusu that is more geared towards street fighting. It really works well since if the fight itsnt over while standing up in less than 30 seconds, youll end up on the ground, And on the ground most people cant fight. Traditional martial arts are great for fitness and learning the discipline, but you cant beat the free style stuff for actual street fighting. It has gotten me out of alot of bad situations and i would recommend it to anyone, just make sure you do your research on the school. There are alot of scamm schools out there.

[SinisterStudios]

Oh and one more thing, ALWAYS TRY TO AVOID THE FIGHT!!!! It is always your best option even if you can kick the shit out of the person. I know this from experience, i defended myself in a bar in NYC and hurt the guy real bad and ended up in jail and having to pay a ton of money to the prick because i broke his nose and arm.
Its just really not worth fighting anymore, DAMN FUCKING LAWYERS!!!!!

[Doctor Dre]

Kong Fu and Boxing are the only 2 fightning arts that I would see usefull in a street fight

[Fabuleux]

Originally posted by andreasb
Good to know that in the Netherlands you can enter bars with a Samurai sword.

Those metal detection ports are a real pain in the ass

[andreasb]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Kong Fu and Boxing are the only 2 fightning arts that I would see usefull in a street fight

I would see both as very limited as they don't teach you how to fight once you are on the ground - and most fights go to the ground.

[Doctor Dre]

Guy don't put Kong Fu in the 1st category ...

You really don't know what kong fu is ... REALLY don't fucking know

A 110 pound guy arround here is a door bouncer ... TRUST me, EVERY fucking time some guy try to fucks with him he gets out on his knees with a broken arm in about 5-10 second .

It's the best of all ... a mix between everything .

it's an offensive art but still using the other strench like judo .

it just takes the best of every kind of fightning and mix it togetherr.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by andreasb
I would see both as very limited as they don't teach you how to fight once you are on the ground - and most fights go to the ground.

They cannot put you on the ground ... because they will have a broken arm or rib after 10 secs into the fight ...

This has really nothing to do with movies n shit . You would get really surprised how powerfull a good kong fu fighter can be.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by andreasb
I would see both as very limited as they don't teach you how to fight once you are on the ground - and most fights go to the ground.

Take judo for example ...

My little bro when he was 14 was in yellow belt kong fu

He fought a black belt 17 years old judo guy and kicked the hell out of him .

The guy doing judo was like WHAT THE FUCK ... he could not even reach him or hit him at ALL during the whole fucking fight .

And he got his ass kicked badly on the ground n shit . (Not a street beat up . A ring beat up with protection equipement and shit) .

The fight won't go on the ground unless a sucker punch is thrown.

[scardog]

A real street fight will almost always go to the ground. The gap is closed and a takedown is always next. Stand up fighting, ground fighting, knives, handgun training. Ju jitsu is great, but not that good for multiple attackers. In brazil, the culture is that nobody gangs up on one guy. Not so here in the good ole USA. You may be choking a guy out, while his buddy is stomping on your head.

[andreasb]

Originally posted by scardog
A real street fight will almost always go to the ground.

Agreed

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by scardog
A real street fight will almost always go to the ground. The gap is closed and a takedown is always next. Stand up fighting, ground fighting, knives, handgun training. Ju jitsu is great, but not that good for multiple attackers. In brazil, the culture is that nobody gangs up on one guy. Not so here in the good ole USA. You may be choking a guy out, while his buddy is stomping on your head.

We got the same culture ... except the fucking lebs or whatever race always gang us up . So they fuckup everything

[SinisterStudios]

It take a VERY long time to get to that level in Kung Fu, and i have never seen a kung fu practioner who was good on the ground. I studied Okaniwan Martial Arts and Kung Fu when i was in High School and it is really good for power and speed , but doesnt teach you ground fighting. Its a great style just not the best against a trained Jui Jitsui Fighter, there are countless videos out there showing the differnet styles against one another and the Jui jistu guy wins the fight 9 out of 10 times.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by SinisterStudios
It take a VERY long time to get to that level in Kung Fu, and i have never seen a kung fu practioner who was good on the ground. I studied Okaniwan Martial Arts and Kung Fu when i was in High School and it is really good for power and speed , but doesnt teach you ground fighting. Its a great style just not the best against a trained Jui Jitsui Fighter, there are countless videos out there showing the differnet styles against one another and the Jui jistu guy wins the fight 9 out of 10 times.

Well the guy I'm talking about has 25 schools under his name ... He is REALLY fucking good .

My bro is in exceptional shape and learns very fast so he's training him personally

[andreasb]

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Well the guy I'm talking about has 25 schools under his name ... He is REALLY fucking good .

My bro is in exceptional shape and learns very fast so he's training him personally

Noone doubts that. Kung Fu is a good and useful martial art. It is just that you need a very advanced level so that it helps you in real life, whereas with for example Jiu Jitsu you would only need a basic level, and you could already defend yourself quite well.

Besides that there are of course also Jiu Jitse guys who have schools under them and are fucking good.

[B2BwithJoeD]

Hi Andreas - check out win tsun at http://www.ebmas.net - search by country at http://www.ebmas.net/usa/home.php?ak...n&auswahl=land

Unbelievable program and results - they have lots of schools in Spain - but don't see Barcelona...

http://www.ebmas.net/usa/home.php?ak...n&auswahl=land

Take care my friend!

[DavidVH]

jeen kut do
and bruce li's style ken fu? or whatever the fuck it is.

[Denis_SC]

Russian style called "Systema" Has been called the deadliest martial art by a "Black belt" magazine .



VIDS

[dig420]

oh for fuck's sake... Emin Boztepe??? Kung Fu? The only person he ever fought was some other Kung Fu guy, about 98 years old, and he looked like shit doing it. Bas Rutten tried to fight this guy and he practically sucked Bas off trying to get out of it when Bas showed up at his office.

You'd be better off going to realultimatepower.com to learn to fight. It's like NHB and the Gracie Family never happened for you guys isn't it?

Andreas, your post was about right as far as what works. Muay Thai, boxing or kickboxing for the stand up, BJJ for the ground. Using Kung Fu is just going to get your ass kicked in humiliating way. Probably by a little guy in front of a bunch of women.

Kung Fu fans, go to http://www.sherdog.com or even better, http://www.bullshido.com

[Elli]

I learned "The Knee of Vengeance" in my self defence class.

I've been waiting for years to use it on someone. So far noone has stepped up to the plate. (knock on wood)

[Stamen]

Muay Thai is extremely effective, as well as western boxing.

I would rate Brazilian Jiu Jitsu as effective, but not as useful as most people here seem to think it is. If you are in a bar and a 300 lb dude comes at you, you don't want to hit the ground with him because you don't know where his buddies are in the crowd, and when you are busy trying to wrap up Bubba, his friends (or drunk bystanders) have plenty of time to find a pool cue or beer bottle to smash over your skull, and you aren't going anywhere, you are on the ground already.

And to those who say fights nearly always go to the ground, bullshit, and if they do go to the ground, its usually 1 person hitting the ground and immediately trying to get back up.

The Gracies started the whole "going to the ground" myth because for them, nearly every fight DOES go to the ground, because they take it there!

That said, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu really is great for wrapping people up, and I would call it absolutely essential as a supplement to your primary stand-up fighting art (Muay Thai/Boxing).

I have been training Muay Thai/San Soo/Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for just over four years now, and this is my conception from my experiences and from others.

[dig420]

and if you're facing someone, holding the back of their neck and throwing knees to their ribcage and face like a good MT man you can still get whacked from behind by their pals. imho there is NO art that is going to work for multiple aggressive attackers better than any other. No matter what you use, you still have to take them out one at a time. At least with BJJ you know they're not going to get off the ground and start fighting again because their arm will be snapped.

This is an argument with no solution.

Also I believe that most fights where at least one guy is unskilled will go to the ground through sheer clumsiness. A fight where one guy is a BJJ guy will usually go to the ground as well thru design. Either way, you're probably going to the ground, so you better be ready for it.

[Webmaster_Logic]

Originally posted by scardog
A real street fight will almost always go to the ground. The gap is closed and a takedown is always next. Stand up fighting, ground fighting, knives, handgun training. Ju jitsu is great, but not that good for multiple attackers. In brazil, the culture is that nobody gangs up on one guy. Not so here in the good ole USA. You may be choking a guy out, while his buddy is stomping on your head.

You are so frigin right about that. I was choking a guy out in the bar a few weeks ago and next thing boom got a sucker punch form behind. Well there went my choke hold.

For anyone who has never tried Brazilian Jiu Jitsu give it a try. It is very addiciting and can be very painful at times. But the wisdom and workout you get is great.

[MinX]

Ive tried loads of different martial arts and loved them all... I think they all have there strong points... If you can combine those.. give you a great advantage. Most cover pressure points..with a good knowledge of these..you can pretty much floor anyone with minimal effort.

Tae Kwondo, Keizendo and thai boxing are my Favs and have trained in these pretty consistantly.

[Stamen]

Originally posted by dig420
and if you're facing someone, holding the back of their neck and throwing knees to their ribcage and face like a good MT man you can still get whacked from behind by their pals. imho there is NO art that is going to work for multiple aggressive attackers better than any other. No matter what you use, you still have to take them out one at a time. At least with BJJ you know they're not going to get off the ground and start fighting again because their arm will be snapped.

This is an argument with no solution.

Also I believe that most fights where at least one guy is unskilled will go to the ground through sheer clumsiness. A fight where one guy is a BJJ guy will usually go to the ground as well thru design. Either way, you're probably going to the ground, so you better be ready for it.

I totally agree, like I said before, BJJ is essential as a supplement to the standup fighting. What I meant by not going to the ground in the bar fight is that by keeping the fight standing up, in the event that there is multiple attackers, you have a chance to get your ass out of there, or at least improve your position a bit before you get beat on.

[Odie]

Originally posted by DavidVH
jeen kut do
and bruce li's style ken fu? or whatever the fuck it is.

definitely the first time I've seen someone spell "Lee" like that..

[chodadog]

A family friend of ours is the former South African kick boxing champion. Came into a bit of a trouble one night in an alley behind a club when 5 or 6 guys tried to roll him. When the cops got there, he was standing there waiting. The other guys were all blubbering like bitches on the ground.

I say kickboxing is rather useful.

[dig420]

Originally posted by MinX
Ive tried loads of different martial arts and loved them all... I think they all have there strong points... If you can combine those.. give you a great advantage. Most cover pressure points..with a good knowledge of these..you can pretty much floor anyone with minimal effort.

Tae Kwondo, Keizendo and thai boxing are my Favs and have trained in these pretty consistantly.

oh yeah. Those pressure point fighters are soooooo dangerous they won't even get in the ring for fear of hurting someone with their extra hyper dangerosity

[folofolo]

If you're fast and skilled in aikido you will stand a very good chance. The power of each punch and kick that comes at you will be redirected back to the person doing it, you can easily fracture them badly in a second without using almost any force yourself and be ready for the next attack directly after. And if they grab you there are also a bunch of ways to mess them up, even if youre grabbed by more than one person.

I train ki-aikido and i LOVE it. It's a bit weird but really awesome once you start to get the hang of it.

[icey]

Sweet.... Finally something I'm equipped to talk about.


For your "Bang for the buck" value - Krav Maga. It's not flashy, and most people wouldn't recognize it if they saw it. But for self defense, and 99% of every bar fight scenario you'll find yourself in, it's the end-all be-all.


Now, if you want something that works, but is a little more flashy, I'd recommend Ving Tsun (Wing Chun / Wing Tsun). It's pretty much based on the mechanics of the human body. What's important there is that you find an instructor who will also teach Chin Na along side the Wing Chun. That'll cover you if it gets to the ground.

The problem with lots of martial arts stuff is that most fights happen in places like bars, where you've got a limited amount of space to operate in. Keep that in mind if you go to a school where you spend weeks perfecting your spinning axe kick.

Jujitsu is decent, but then you *must* have to take it to a ground game. Personally, that's the last place I want to be in *any* fight. Sure, one-on-one it's decent. But from what I've seen, most people who get into fights have a friend around who'll be more than happy to get in a cheap shot.

There's no martial art out there that's going to really give you the secret skills to take 2 guys on at once, but your chances of being able to deal with that are far greater being on your feet than on the ground.

Of course... all this is just my

[dig420]

just tell me this:

when has an aikido or Kung Fu guy EVER - and I mean EVER - beaten a BJJ or Muay Thai fighter?

NEVER in the history of the world has this happened. Kung Fu guys get smacked around by everybody every time they compete in NHB. Why do you guys think KF is so great when nobody's ever been able to beat anybody with it, except on TV?

[folofolo]

Originally posted by dig420
[B]just tell me this:

when has an aikido or Kung Fu guy EVER - and I mean EVER - beaten a BJJ or Muay Thai fighter?

Im not even aware of any time they have fought so obviously i cant answer. But I can tell you that a skilled aikido person can handle multiple attacks with ease. For example a guy in the aikido class jumped in on a fight in the street where some poor bastard was being kicked while lying down, and he got control over the fight with two guys against him. Im gonna try and dig up a demonstration clip so you will see more clearly how it works.

[jade_dragon]

Originally posted by andreasb
I would see both as very limited as they don't teach you how to fight once you are on the ground - and most fights go to the ground.

There are MANY forms of kung fu, Even the Shoulin animal styles have been split into differant forms. For instance I train in Mantis but Mantis is broken into 4 forms, the one I study is plum blossom and that is split up into northern and southern chinese with major differances in the kicks and punches used. You have major differances in some forms, for instance a white crane school may have the philosophy "To grapple with an opponent is to lower oneself" or "To block a strike there will be 1000 strikes but to evade a strike there will be only 1" yet study in a Grey Crane school and they teach you how to seperate a tendon from leg muscle while locking an arm and rolling around on the ground. Kung Fu in it entirety of styles and forms is one of the most complete arts having one or more for each body style of individual and the way they wish to fight be it grappling, power hits, evasion, use of chi, joint locks etc. All fights do not end up on the ground, I have seen even limited artists like TKD excecute snap kicks to the face of people rusing into them, but you are right it did end up with the rusher on the ground.


The most useful forms of fighting will have great balance, knowledge of how to use kinetics, have as few limitations as possible and will be UNKNOWN and strange. This knocks out TKD and Karate which are the most common forms of martial arts, you CAN defend yourself with it as long as someone does not know that the TKD guy is useless once you are inside his kicking distance and the karate guy is going over mental equations (IF opponent uses PUNCH A, THEN excecute RIGHT STEP LEFT SWEEP COMBINATION) and you have been practicing for YEARS.

Mui Thai and Dutch kick boxing utilize 5 point fighting (head, two elbows, two legs) better than any other form of fighting but Mui Thai does have a weight distribution problem.

IN ESSENCE jui jitsu and other forms of shoot wrestling are good EXCEPT when you are taught how to fight while using a GUI, the lapel throws and counter locks and chokes used in the dojo are almost useless against cotton T-shirts that rip or against an opponent who removes his shirt and is all sweaty. This is your limitation.

Almost every time i have had to fight i have used a combination of switching shoulin animal styles which immediately amuses or confuses an opponent (in that split second he is open for a barrage of attacks, ESPECIALLY if he has made the mistake of laughing) or Capoeria! The jinga is the ultimate in distractionary fighting, so far never had a person be able to handle capoeria well because so few people know how to even begin to fight against it. Brazillian Jui Jitsu is used to fill the gaps of ground fighting in the system and many schools have now switched to Gracian Jui Jitsu as it has shown itself ot be combat effective.

A boxer is deadliest in the ring, it is very hard for any fighter to beat a well trained boxer who knows how to use the ropes and corner to pummel you. If a martial artist or street fighter can not kick a boxer and has to fight with their rules GOOD LUCK!

Ninjitsu is not a fighting art it is actually the study of the WAY of the ninja such as espianage, mind control, concealment, pole weapons on foot (naginata), the way of the sword, use of the elements, pole weapons on horseback, archery, the use of the basic weapons (shuriken, hand and foot claws, manriki chain etc etc). The fighting styles are the RYU schools which some people have mistaken for karate mainly because their Sensai have led them to believe this. The RYU forms when pure are very scary "A strike should be a block and a block should be a strike" meaning when he is hitting you he is blocking himself and the worst part when you hit him you will receive pain from your hit. I have seen competitions where a "ninja" has blocked a punch and caused broken fingers and wrists. This is one of the most effective arts but is not like karate, you will have to devout a lifetime to the art and take it VERY seriously or you will be asked to leave, there is also usually a phych test for those wishing to enter.

If you are looking for capoeria, kung fu or ryu schools of ninjitsu do not look in a phone book, any school found in them will not be true to the origins of the arts, these 3 forms are not secret arts as much as arts with secrets, get out there and look for them, Capoeria will be hidden within Brazilian theatre or dance troops, chinese martial arts will be hidden within the city and usuallly stand out because they have a red door. RYU schools are very difficult to find and you will probably only come across them by luck, talking to people or MAYBE one of the schools that exposed itself will know of one that did not.

[Stamen]

Originally posted by icey
Sweet.... Finally something I'm equipped to talk about.


For your "Bang for the buck" value - Krav Maga. It's not flashy, and most people wouldn't recognize it if they saw it. But for self defense, and 99% of every bar fight scenario you'll find yourself in, it's the end-all be-all.


Now, if you want something that works, but is a little more flashy, I'd recommend Ving Tsun (Wing Chun / Wing Tsun). It's pretty much based on the mechanics of the human body. What's important there is that you find an instructor who will also teach Chin Na along side the Wing Chun. That'll cover you if it gets to the ground.

The problem with lots of martial arts stuff is that most fights happen in places like bars, where you've got a limited amount of space to operate in. Keep that in mind if you go to a school where you spend weeks perfecting your spinning axe kick.

Jujitsu is decent, but then you *must* have to take it to a ground game. Personally, that's the last place I want to be in *any* fight. Sure, one-on-one it's decent. But from what I've seen, most people who get into fights have a friend around who'll be more than happy to get in a cheap shot.

There's no martial art out there that's going to really give you the secret skills to take 2 guys on at once, but your chances of being able to deal with that are far greater being on your feet than on the ground.

Of course... all this is just my

Krav Maga is really similar to San Soo in a lot of respects, the main problem I have with both arts is that most techniques require a level of accuracy and control that isn't realistic (at least for me) when the adrenalin is pumping, but I do respect the fighting theory brought forth by both of those arts, and mentally they prepare you the best.

As for Wing Chun, I love it and I hate it. The whole sticky hands thing is lost to me, but I love the way they chain the punches and shoot them from the elbow. I trained for awhile with a Wing Chun guy so I could pick up those punches. I have used them so many times training, it always surprises the NHB guys because they aren't used to getting hit that hard by someone who is on their back.

[Odie]

Originally posted by icey
Sweet.... Finally something I'm equipped to talk about.


For your "Bang for the buck" value - Krav Maga. It's not flashy, and most people wouldn't recognize it if they saw it. But for self defense, and 99% of every bar fight scenario you'll find yourself in, it's the end-all be-all.


Now, if you want something that works, but is a little more flashy, I'd recommend Ving Tsun (Wing Chun / Wing Tsun). It's pretty much based on the mechanics of the human body. What's important there is that you find an instructor who will also teach Chin Na along side the Wing Chun. That'll cover you if it gets to the ground.

The problem with lots of martial arts stuff is that most fights happen in places like bars, where you've got a limited amount of space to operate in. Keep that in mind if you go to a school where you spend weeks perfecting your spinning axe kick.

Jujitsu is decent, but then you *must* have to take it to a ground game. Personally, that's the last place I want to be in *any* fight. Sure, one-on-one it's decent. But from what I've seen, most people who get into fights have a friend around who'll be more than happy to get in a cheap shot.

There's no martial art out there that's going to really give you the secret skills to take 2 guys on at once, but your chances of being able to deal with that are far greater being on your feet than on the ground.

Of course... all this is just my

thanks for the laugh!! spinning axe kick...lmao!!

I do muay thai and wing chun, give s me self-confidence as a woman, knowing that I can hold my own when I need to...most men don't expect a woman is going to have her wits about her and be able to defend herself.

we actually pracitce kung fu when we're drunk so that we're accustomed to it!! lol

[SinisterStudios]

There truely is no one perfect martial art, i have learned from experience to mix as many toghter as possible for any situation. One thing i learned the the Okinawian style of karate is to always look out for multiple attackers and to expect that. The Best Martial Art is truely a mix of all the martial arts, standup, ground, weapons, etc... the more you know the better you are equipt to not getting your ass kicked. Personally knowing what i know makes me want to fight less and just walk away from it. But sometimes you just have to kick someone in the ribs to get them to understand

[Raf1]

It all depends on how good you are. If fighters are equally good in each sport I think Vale Tudo, Judo, Thai Boxing, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and wrestling would be the best. However in a bar fight, usually the person that strikes first wins...

[Goonx]

Israeli "Krav Maga" and "Hisardut",

Krav Maga is more for the army and if you want to inflict very heavy damage in a very short time.

Hisardut is a mix of many top martial arts and is perfect for street fighting.

Although i don't know if there are any schools for that outside of Israel

[dig420]

DAMN people, you don't have to guess! Just grab some NHB tapes, these questions have been answered time and again. Kung Fu doesn't work. Aikido barely works. Ninjitsu is a fairy tale, so is pressure point fighting, totally worthless in real life unless you scare someone away with your flashy poses. TKD works against unskilled guys only, and you better hope he's not bigger than you.

Judo is ok
boxing is ok
kickboxing is quite good
MT is great
wrestling is great
BJJ rules all

This isn't theory, this shit has been proven.

http://www.gracieacademy.com - get Gracies in Action, you'll be doing yourself a favor.

[beergood]

It depends on the fighter. Personally I do just fine for myself with the Judo, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do and Boxing that I've learned. I'm very fast, strong but not very big(6' 175lbs) so I try to avoid ground fights that last very long. Its all about what works for you. I'm exceedingly good at punching with power and accuracy as well as using rushing movements of others against them. I'm also really good at chokes so I try to use those strengths immediately in any fights I've been in.


You can't base your opinion of martial arts on a few isolated incidents or UFC bouts because that was what was best for the given situation.

Learn a little bit of everything but most importantly you should piece together your own mechanisms that work best for you.

[jade_dragon]

Originally posted by dig420
oh yeah. Those pressure point fighters are soooooo dangerous they won't even get in the ring for fear of hurting someone with their extra hyper dangerosity

Actually most martial arts touneys ban grappling knocking out many great forms of fighting such as mantis or wing chun and none allow pressure point fighting against opponents under ANY circumstances. Even if they were allowed to fighters who are proficient in fighting using those styles have dedicated decades to the art and so are under the philosphy of "with great power comes great responsibility" and would not even consider using them in a exhibition of that sort. So it has nothing to do with fear. Many forms of Kung Fu are centered around Tong and Triad fighting, long ago these were freedom fighters and not the gangs they are today. The government was in turmoil and was overthrown by a group who forced the dismantling of the shoulin temples, the monks fled and taught triads/tongs how to fight in secret to overthrow the government and reinstate the ming. The heritage of the arts is to be secretive this is in direct opposition of exhibitionary fighting. We are not taught how to points spar, exhibition and learning how to strike for points is highly looked down upon by most schools holding to their chinese lineage.

[dig420]

Originally posted by jade_dragon
Actually most martial arts touneys ban grappling knocking out many great forms of fighting such as mantis or wing chun and none allow pressure point fighting against opponents under ANY circumstances. Even if they were allowed to fighters who are proficient in fighting using those styles have dedicated decades to the art and so are under the philosphy of "with great power comes great responsibility" and would not even consider using them in a exhibition of that sort. So it has nothing to do with fear. Many forms of Kung Fu are centered around Tong and Triad fighting, long ago these were freedom fighters and not the gangs they are today. The government was in turmoil and was overthrown by a group who forced the dismantling of the shoulin temples, the monks fled and taught triads/tongs how to fight in secret to overthrow the government and reinstate the ming. The heritage of the arts is to be secretive this is in direct opposition of exhibitionary fighting. We are not taught how to points spar, exhibition and learning how to strike for points is highly looked down upon by most schools holding to their chinese lineage.

ALL NHB events allow pressure point fighting, Kung Fu, whatever, as long as it's bare handed. KF guys participated in the early UFC's, as did JKD guys. They got slapped around like bitches every single time they stepped in the ring. No PPF fighter has ever had the cojones to step into the ring and they probably never will, because somewhere in the back of your mystical eastern philosophy brain centers, you know it's complete bullshit.

[folofolo]

Anyways... as i said, heres a little clip of a multiple person attack in aikido: http://www.aikido-bund.de/aikido/film/film1.avi
the video kind of sucks in quality and overall. but the attack comes in like the 30 last second of it.