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goBigtime 08-12-2004 05:35 AM

But what about G-D manipulating the DNA of the half-man/half-god offspring that his 'away team' helped... erm.. create... while he was gone?

He basically points out a figure as the max human lifespan (120 years), and then proceeds to adjust the lifespan in these hybrid offspring to be like mans - 120 years.

This isn't so far fetched actually if you think in terms of ET's being far more advanced scientifcally than us, and it really wasn't that long ago... like 3500 years ago or something?

We now know through science and the 'magic' of DNA and genetics, that this can be accomplished - eventually.


Is it so hard to believe that someone (or some speceies) may have already been able to read, decode & manipulate the DNA of any living thing it comes across?


From Genesis chapter 6:
1 When men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with [1] man forever, for he is mortal [2] ; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."


Ooooh creepy, figuring nobody (except one lady who probably had a slight genetic mutation in the longetivity area) has lived past 120 years old.

:glugglug

goBigtime 08-12-2004 05:39 AM

http://members.aol.com/wayneheim/dna-w.jpg

^ Could this be a "tree" of knowledge? ^

What does it look like if you turn it on it's side?

http://www.stanford.edu/~seneca/imag...inity-sign.jpg
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Joe Citizen 08-12-2004 05:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
This is unbelievable. I understand why most people in this forum refuse to accept the Christian God, but I find it incredible that so many of you could continue to maintain atheistic beliefs despite the overwhelming counter evidence I alluded to earlier. At a minimum, I would have expected at least SOME OF YOU to adopt deistic beliefs.
I'll tell you why you imbecile.

There is no such thing as the supernatural. There are no ghosts. There is no ESP. People can not levitate or move objects with the power of their mind. People cannot tell the future or channel spirits from another world.

Don't you get it you twit, all that exists is the natural world. The only place the supernatural exists is in the human brain. Accept it and then get over it.

There is no Santa Claus, there is no tooth fairy, there aren't any fairies at the bottom of the garden and there sure as hell isn't any fucking God.

goBigtime 08-12-2004 05:45 AM

Damn I didn't check that Gen. Chapter 6 I pasted.... actually, in the real translations hes not actually talking about "Man", he's talking about the hybrids... they were all set to live for a long time, but god said that since they were 'of flesh' that they would live like man - 120 years.



There's a lot of weird stuff in the bible.

Especially when you consider it's age.

goBigtime 08-12-2004 05:47 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen

There is no such thing as the supernatural. There are no ghosts. There is no ESP. People can not levitate or move objects with the power of their mind. People cannot tell the future or channel spirits from another world.

If you could, would you? And who would you tell first?

I'm not disagreeing with you btw ;)

Basic_man 08-12-2004 05:55 AM

I still not believe in God !

Manowar 08-12-2004 05:58 AM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
This is unbelievable. I understand why most people in this forum refuse to accept the Christian God, but I find it incredible that so many of you could continue to maintain atheistic beliefs despite the overwhelming counter evidence I alluded to earlier. At a minimum, I would have expected at least SOME OF YOU to adopt deistic beliefs.
:1orglaugh so where is heaven then?

theres so much evidence of no god existing its unfunny, ever heard of evolution ?

I love religious people, i can argue with them because they make me laugh so much

Dirty F 08-12-2004 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
I'll tell you why you imbecile.

There is no such thing as the supernatural. There are no ghosts. There is no ESP. People can not levitate or move objects with the power of their mind. People cannot tell the future or channel spirits from another world.

Don't you get it you twit, all that exists is the natural world. The only place the supernatural exists is in the human brain. Accept it and then get over it.

There is no Santa Claus, there is no tooth fairy, there aren't any fairies at the bottom of the garden and there sure as hell isn't any fucking God.

Man, amazing how people keep on believing all that shit. It can drive you mad. It makes me want to punch the stupidity out of people sometimes.

ppk 08-12-2004 06:39 AM

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Originally posted by Manowar
:1orglaugh so where is heaven then?

theres so much evidence of no god existing its unfunny, ever heard of evolution ?

I love religious people, i can argue with them because they make me laugh so much

I really have little interest in the Evolution/God debate... what I can't understand is where all of this energy came from (to create the entire universe). Something had to be here in the beginning.

Kit 08-12-2004 06:49 AM

Nail Jesus to the Cross

Corona 08-12-2004 12:45 PM

"The reason the world is so fucked up is because we're undergoing evolution, and the reason our institutions, our traditional religions are all crumbling is because they're no longer relevant." - Bill Hicks

DavidVH 08-12-2004 01:07 PM

you're forgetting just how crazy humans are. if some lady can drown her five children why does this seem so impossible?


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Originally posted by DarkJedi
I mean, to have his skin flayed off and still say he was the son of God.

There isn't a person on the planet who wouldn't say anything to make the torture stop, but he never waived. He just kept taking it, and then forgave the people who tortured him. Even on the cross he forgave the people who killed him.

everyone else would have stopped in order to stay alive, but he didnt. theres something to this.


boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Joe Citizen
What is there to reply to? Your argument didn't suddenly get any stronger. You have one highly suspect passage by a Jewish historian that was written sixty years after Jesus' supposed death.

That's not good enough.

There should be dozens, but there aren't. He supposedly performed miracles and came back from the dead and he gets one, possibly fraudulent, vague refrence in a tome written sixty years after his supposed death? :1orglaugh

All I can say is that you are obviously pretty gullible. Accept that you blindly follow this faith because you need it on a psychological level. You are incapable of facing up to your own mortality.

There is more evidence for the existence of little green men from mars than there is for Jesus Christ.

I've had about all the moronic shit from you I can handle. You are an uneducated idiot, just like all your pseudo-intellectual atheist friends. You believe EVERYTHING your atheist heroes tell you. They are pseudo-intellectuals like yourself who think they know jack shit but are merely deceiving themselves with their complete stupidity.

Whenever you reply to one of my posts, all you FUCKING ever do is post links to false sources and append little laughing smilies. Why don't you try reasoning with me. I'll tell you why. Because you can't. You are too fucking stupid.

What are your credentials? How far did you go in school? Did you get beyond college? Do you have any graduate degrees? If so, what are they in? What qualifies you to have an opinion on any of this? Have you studied Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic? I have graduate degrees and have studied the languages in question.

Your argument that there should be multiple references to Christ is bullshit. First of all, there may well be additional references which have simply not been unearthed yet. Second, of the sources which are in existence, several of them DO mention the historical Christ. Here are more articles about this:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jesusref.html
http://www.probe.org/docs/ancient.html

The Jesus Myth, particularly as advanced by Wells (1996), in his book "The Jesus Legend", is a weak theory that is only taken seriously by stupid atheists like you.

The Josephus reference is but one of many which, taken as a whole, provide rather compelling evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ as a historical figure. This issue isn't even disputed among the leading authorities on the subject. Continuing to take this position only provides further evidence that you are an uneducated moron.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Kit
Nail Jesus to the Cross
FUCK OFF, NEWB!

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Corona
"The reason the world is so fucked up is because we're undergoing evolution, and the reason our institutions, our traditional religions are all crumbling is because they're no longer relevant." - Bill Hicks
I am simply amazed by the stupidity I have encountered in this thread. You need to have a certain degree of intelligence to be able to operate a website and make money in this biz. So why are so many of you so fucking clueless?

Until now I have always been able to rationalize my participation in this business. But I am beginning to believe that the far right may be right in claiming that this is an evil industry intent on spreading the 'gospel of Satan'. I frankly have no better explanation for the complete and total ignorance I have encountered in this forum regarding the question of the existence of God.

alexg 08-12-2004 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
I mean this is a man who his whole life believed in what he was saying and didn't ask people for money. And he was tortured beyond belief for what he was saying, yet kept saying it.

If I was putting on a facade, I would give it up as soon as the torture started. Maybe what he was saying is true.

maybe he was mentally unstable? insane? fucked in the head? or something like that

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Battuss
Man, amazing how people keep on believing all that shit. It can drive you mad. It makes me want to punch the stupidity out of people sometimes.
I believe it because the preponderance of the evidence suggests that it is probably true. You refuse to accept such evidence because you are a moron.

Manowar 08-12-2004 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
I am simply amazed by the stupidity I have encountered in this thread. You need to have a certain degree of intelligence to be able to operate a website and make money in this biz. So why are so many of you so fucking clueless?

Until now I have always been able to rationalize my participation in this business. But I am beginning to believe that the far right may be right in claiming that this is an evil industry intent on spreading the 'gospel of Satan'. I frankly have no better explanation for the complete and total ignorance I have encountered in this forum regarding the question of the existence of God.

:1orglaugh You did science at school right?

EVOLUTION

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
:1orglaugh so where is heaven then?

theres so much evidence of no god existing its unfunny, ever heard of evolution ?

I love religious people, i can argue with them because they make me laugh so much

Of all the idiots on GFY, you, sir, are probably the stupidist. I will write this in really big letters so that your feeble brain can process it -- IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST.

Evolution is an unsupported theory of the origin and development of life.

Manowar 08-12-2004 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
Of all the idiots on GFY, you, sir, are probably the stupidist. I will write this in really big letters so that your feeble brain can process it -- IT IS SCIENTIFICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE THAT SOMETHING DOES NOT EXIST.

Evolution is an unsupported theory of the origin and development of life.

1. Stupidist isnt a word.

2. Evolution is scientifically proven to exist via Genetics.

Edit: and you still didnt tell me where heaven and hell are.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Manowar
:1orglaugh You did science at school right?

EVOLUTION

Since you are too lazy to search myu posts on this topic, I will spell it out for you here. The following article details very nicely why the theory of Evolution cannot be maintained:


In the 1970's a British astronomer by the name of Sir Frederick Hoyle set out to calculate the mathematical probability of the origin of life from a primordial soup environment. Applying the laws of thermodynamics, chemistry, and mathematical probability he calculated the odds of the spontaneous generation of the simplest known free-living life form on earth, a bacterium.
Hoyle and his associates knew that the smallest conceivable free-living life form needed at least 2,000 independent functional proteins in order to accomplish cellular metabolism and reproduction. Starting with the hypothetical primordial soup he calculated the probability of the spontaneous generation of just the proteins of a single amoebae. He determined that the probability of such an event is one chance in ten to the 40 thousandth power. Prior to this project Hoyle was a believer in the spontaneous generation of life. However, his opinion changed 180 degrees.
Consider this, to win the state lottery you have about one chance in the ten million (10^7). The odds of winning the state lottery every single week of your life from age 18 to 99 is one chance in 4.6 x10^29,120. Therefore, the odds of winning the state lottery every week consecutively for eighty years is more likely than the spontaneous generation of just the proteins of an amoebae!!!!
When Hoyle completed his project he stated that, "The likelihood of the formation of life from inanimate matter is one to the 40 thousand naughts (zeros) after it. It is enough to bury Darwin and the entire theory of evolution. There was no primeval soup, neither on this planet nor any other, and if the beginnings of life were not random they must therefore have been the product of purposeful intelligence!"

NOW HERE COMES THE SHOCKER!!
Hoyle and his associates only calculated the probability of the spontaneous generation of the proteins in the cell. He DID NOT calculate the chance formation of the DNA, RNA nor the cell wall that holds the entire cell together. A more realistic estimate was calculated by Harold Morowitz, a Yale University physicist. Morowitz imagined a broth of living bacteria that were super-heated so that all the complex chemicals were broken down into their basic building blocks. After cooling the mixture, he concluded that the odds of a single bacterium re-assembling by chance is one in 10^100,000,000,000. This number is so very large that is would take several thousand blank books just to write it out. To put it all in perspective it is more likely that you and your entire extended family would win the state lottery every week for a million years than for a bacterium to form by chance!

http://malleyz.com/thinkaboutit/sirfredrickhoyle.shtml

Manowar 08-12-2004 03:49 PM

Boobmaster - I cant be bothered to argue a point i'm not really interested in with someone who believes in it as strongly as that, Religion doesnt interest me and i'd rather live my life otherwise. I'll let you follow your religion and let that be that.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
1. Stupidist isnt a word.

2. Evolution is scientifically proven to exist via Genetics.

Edit: and you still didnt tell me where heaven and hell are.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Your claim that 'stupidist' isn't a word is all the evidence I need to tell that you are a complete idiot. Why do you say this. Because it isn't in the dictionary?

Your second point is further evidence that you don't know jack shit about science. THEORIES CAN NEITHER BE PROVEN NOR DISPROVEN; THEY CAN ONLY SUPPORTED OR NOT SUPPORTED. Microevolution is supported; macroevolution is unsupported.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
Boobmaster - I cant be bothered to argue a point i'm not really interested in with someone who believes in it as strongly as that, Religion doesnt interest me and i'd rather live my life otherwise. I'll let you follow your religion and let that be that.
Lack of interest in the most important questions to ever face mankind is the sign of a simple man.

Manowar 08-12-2004 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
Lack of interest in the most important questions to ever face mankind is the sign of a simple man.
I believe than when i die, I die. and i dont give a shit about it.

If thats simple then i guess i am too.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
I believe than when i die, I die. and i dont give a shit about it.

If thats simple then i guess i am too.

I promise you that you will care about the issue when your death is imminent.

evildick 08-12-2004 04:00 PM

Why don't you just tell him to come down here and have a nice talk with us...set us straight. That would shut those pesky atheists up.

He used to talk to people, right?

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by evildick
Why don't you just tell him to come down here and have a nice talk with us...set us straight. That would shut those pesky atheists up.

He used to talk to people, right?

He could appear to you in a blaze of light and you still probably wouldn't believe.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
I believe than when i die, I die. and i dont give a shit about it.

If thats simple then i guess i am too.

I still want to hear your evidence for claiming that 'stupidist' isn't a word.

Manowar 08-12-2004 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
I still want to hear your evidence for claiming that 'stupidist' isn't a word.
http://www.google.com/search?q=stupi...utf-8&oe=utf-8

See the dictionary.

evildick 08-12-2004 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
He could appear to you in a blaze of light and you still probably wouldn't believe.
Ya, I would, but the trouble is he won't. Imagine the problems he could fix if he would just make an appearance, issue a press release and perform some miracles like the old days.

No more bogus religions, no more non-believers. What's the point of him not proving his existence to the world? Anything I've heard in the past sounds like a convenient way of hiding the fact something doesn't really exist.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Manowar
http://www.google.com/search?q=stupi...utf-8&oe=utf-8

See the dictionary.

Ah! I see your point. Misspelling. -ist and -est are spelling variants of the same form (superlative). Words vary as to which of these suffixes they use. I used the wrong one.

Manowar 08-12-2004 04:12 PM

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Originally posted by boobmaster
Ah! I see your point. Misspelling. -ist and -est are spelling variants of the same form (superlative). Words vary as to which of these suffixes they use. I used the wrong one.
hence the response - "StupidIST" isnt a word.

how about kissing and making up ? :glugglug

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick
Ya, I would, but the trouble is he won't. Imagine the problems he could fix if he would just make an appearance, issue a press release and perform some miracles like the old days.

No more bogus religions, no more non-believers. What's the point of him not proving his existence to the world? Anything I've heard in the past sounds like a convenient way of hiding the fact something doesn't really exist.

Im am not getting anywhere with this so it is pointless to continue.

evildick 08-12-2004 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boobmaster
Im am not getting anywhere with this so it is pointless to continue.
O ye of little faith! Where would we be if Jesus thought like that?

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Manowar
hence the response - "StupidIST" isnt a word.

how about kissing and making up ? :glugglug

wrong. A lot of people MISSPELL this word, based on analogy with words which take the suffix variant -EST. A misspelling of a word is NOT A DISTINCT word in and of itself. It is a misspelling of that word. You should have said that I misspelled the word.

boobmaster 08-12-2004 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by evildick
O ye of little faith! Where would we be if Jesus thought like that?
Mock on, asshole. You'll know the truth soon enough.

Marcus Aurelius 08-12-2004 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by MattO
Braveheart got his intestines ripped out and never gave in.

holy shit. thanks for my hardest laugh of the day....:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

boobmaster 08-12-2004 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe Citizen
I'll tell you why you imbecile.

There is no such thing as the supernatural. There are no ghosts. There is no ESP. People can not levitate or move objects with the power of their mind. People cannot tell the future or channel spirits from another world.

Don't you get it you twit, all that exists is the natural world. The only place the supernatural exists is in the human brain. Accept it and then get over it.

There is no Santa Claus, there is no tooth fairy, there aren't any fairies at the bottom of the garden and there sure as hell isn't any fucking God.

Your post is a perfect example of why most atheists are simpleminded peons who know JACK SHIT about science.

There is no such thing as the supernatural.

Anyone who has taken a freshman level science course can tell you that statements like this are idiotic. Science CANNOT PROVE THE NONEXISTENCE of something. It doesn't even try. If you were really as science minded as you claim, you would have said something like "Available evidence does not prove the existence of the supernatural." Note that this is not a belief that I share.

Science cannot support the existence of any of the other of the things you mention in your first paragraph. However, there is much unexplained phenomena in the world that could certainly lead to the very reasonable conclusion that such things do exist. (I am not making any claims to this effect).

Science would be in a much better position to challenge the existence of these things if it could provide solid alternative explanations for such phenomena. To date, alternative explanations of this sort are lacking.

Don't you get it you twit, all that exists is the natural world. The only place the supernatural exists is in the human brain. Accept it and then get over it.

This statement further demonstrates your total ignorance. This is YOUR OPINION. It is not backed up by scientific data. SCIENCE COULD NEVER PROVE A STATEMENT LIKE THIS. You clearly don't understand science if you think it can.

"There is no Santa Claus, there is no tooth fairy, there aren't any fairies at the bottom of the garden and there sure as hell isn't any fucking God."

Again, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO BASE THIS ON EXCEPT YOUR OPINION. You CANNOT APPEAL TO SCIENCE BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHINBG TO SAY EITHER WAY.

I was once told that it is IMPOSSIBE to reason with an atheist. You have shown me that this is true. If we use your logic, we would have to deny the existence of a number of things which most people accept without question.

Scientists tell us that the sun radiates millions of tiny particles called neutrinos, which are invisible to the naked eye. Before they were discovered, you would have been justified in denying their existence. Their discovery, however, has shown your claim to be false. How do you know that conclusive evidence for the supernatural, or God, or even the fucking tooth fairy will not be found one day. This is precisely why true scientists would NEVER utter statements like yours.

You are simply relying on faith that God does not exist. You are truly a moron if you think otherwise.

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