2257 - pending blowout of non-US produced content? - GoFuckYourself.com

Nate-MM2 · 08-10-2004, 12:20 AM

Seems like the value for content produced in countries like Canada & some European companies will drop like a rock if all this 2257 stuff goes through considering it is illegal for them to help webmasters & customers comply with the new guidelines (providing personal info on the models, etc)

Anybody else think there might be some dirt cheap deals that Canadian & foreign webmasters can position themselves to take advantage of?

Discuss.

BRISK · 08-10-2004, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by Nate-MM2
it is illegal for them to help webmasters & customers comply with the new guidelines (providing personal info on the models, etc)

Are you sure of this?

contentjunky · 08-10-2004, 12:22 AM

Not sure just waiting till the 24th. We are revamping all the model releases and IDS to set up all the webmasters so they are ready to go.

Nate-MM2 · 08-10-2004, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Are you sure of this?

Positive with Canada & the UK, and it sounds like a lot of European nations are in the same basket.

Something along the lines of the privacy act, etc...

Paul Markham · 08-10-2004, 02:22 AM

Sorry Nate you are wrong. In fact you might be better off dealing with European producers. More Europeans will have passports and the authorities have less chance of checking the documents than with US based models.

As for the privacy act, the model signed that away when she signed the model release.

I suggest you talk to a lawyer before you post about legal matters.

Jace · 08-10-2004, 02:25 AM

i have bought all my content from europe, and I have EVRY_SINGLE model release and id, no blackouts on the id's either

mrmovie · 08-10-2004, 04:22 AM

The proposed law does say that content from overseas cannot be used. People producing content overseas will tell you otherwise to save their own asses.

SoBeGirl has all AMerican content with all American IDs and that is the key. The feds cannot check on IDs coming from other countires so that content is worthless.

SoBeGirl has Model docs from the US and that is LEGAL>

[IMG]http://www.*************/Models/S060/four.jpg[/IMG]

Mr-No · 08-10-2004, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by charly
Sorry Nate you are wrong. In fact you might be better off dealing with European producers. More Europeans will have passports and the authorities have less chance of checking the documents than with US based models.

As for the privacy act, the model signed that away when she signed the model release.

I suggest you talk to a lawyer before you post about legal matters.

Exactly

Sarah_Jayne · 08-10-2004, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by mrmovie
The proposed law does say that content from overseas cannot be used. People producing content overseas will tell you otherwise to save their own asses.

well, I don't live in the US but I will do my best to follow the rules but telling me I *have* to buy US goods and those of any other country doesn't sit that right for those of us that live outside the country.

Paul Markham · 08-10-2004, 06:50 AM

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Originally posted by mrmovie
The proposed law does say that content from overseas cannot be used. People producing content overseas will tell you otherwise to save their own asses.

SoBeGirl has all AMerican content with all American IDs and that is the key. The feds cannot check on IDs coming from other countires so that content is worthless.

SoBeGirl has Model docs from the US and that is LEGAL>

[IMG]http://www.*************/Models/S060/four.jpg[/IMG]

his guy is a liar, an idiot or both.

Or maybe he's just scared to tell you the truth and thinks he may be able to gat a few more clients this way.

You have to have a Goverment ID, that can be verified by the issuing goverment. That means a passport, National ID or Drivers License. It has to have the modles, name, date of birth and picture. The picture has to resemble the model in the content.

Sobe you are so weak.

Now try another scam to sell your stuff.

LadyMischief · 08-10-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by mrmovie
The proposed law does say that content from overseas cannot be used. People producing content overseas will tell you otherwise to save their own asses.

SoBeGirl has all AMerican content with all American IDs and that is the key. The feds cannot check on IDs coming from other countires so that content is worthless.

SoBeGirl has Model docs from the US and that is LEGAL>

[IMG]http://www.*************/Models/S060/four.jpg[/IMG]

Apparently you haven't read the law then, moron.

LadyMischief · 08-10-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally posted by charly
his guy is a liar, an idiot or both.

Or maybe he's just scared to tell you the truth and thinks he may be able to gat a few more clients this way.

You have to have a Goverment ID, that can be verified by the issuing goverment. That means a passport, National ID or Drivers License. It has to have the modles, name, date of birth and picture. The picture has to resemble the model in the content.

Sobe you are so weak.

Now try another scam to sell your stuff.

Finally Paul we agree

basschick · 08-10-2004, 08:19 AM

as i read it, non-u.s. models must have a passport period - no other forms of i.d. will be legal.

pxxx · 08-10-2004, 08:24 AM

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Originally posted by mrmovie
The proposed law does say that content from overseas cannot be used. People producing content overseas will tell you otherwise to save their own asses.

SoBeGirl has all AMerican content with all American IDs and that is the key. The feds cannot check on IDs coming from other countires so that content is worthless.

SoBeGirl has Model docs from the US and that is LEGAL>

[IMG]http://www.*************/Models/S060/four.jpg[/IMG]

Wow, he is busting thay ass.

KraZ · 08-10-2004, 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Nate-MM2
Seems like the value for content produced in countries like Canada & some European companies will drop like a rock if all this 2257 stuff goes through considering it is illegal for them to help webmasters & customers comply with the new guidelines (providing personal info on the models, etc)

What's that you've been smoking dude?

We provide model releases and IDs as IF the client shot it themselves. No difference whatsoever...

Nice try though, the non-exclusive CPs might go into blowout mode, you never know, right?

Edit: SoBe, is that your ugly head there?

Paul Markham · 08-10-2004, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
Finally Paul we agree

I'm sure most people would agree with us abour Eric, he does not ewven realise how amateurish it make him look.

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Originally posted by basschick
as i read it, non-u.s. models must have a passport period - no other forms of i.d. will be legal.

As I said not a problem for us as most of our models have passports. But the lawyers at Paul Raymond Publications have said a National Identity Card, with the models signature and a Driving License will suffice.

We will continue to supply passports.

Paul Markham · 08-10-2004, 08:40 AM

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Originally posted by pxxx
Wow, he is busting thay ass.

I think busting is the wtong word. A guy with a dick that small should not get in front of a camera. Who is it Eric?

mrmovie · 08-10-2004, 09:40 AM

Bullshit. Content produced overseas will not be allowed. The US govt cannot veryify the age of the models by using some form of foreign identity. It must be a US issued passport or ID.

If you want to wind up in jail that is your problem. SoBeGirl is producing content from Miami Florida USA. Legal, legit and you get model proof of age with every set.

Here is an AMERICAN GIRL getting her ass busted. :-0

[IMG]http://*************/Models/S060/two.jpg[/IMG]

Paul Waters · 08-10-2004, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by mrmovie
[B]Bullshit. Content produced overseas will not be allowed. The US govt cannot veryify the age of the models by using some form of foreign identity. It must be a US issued passport or ID.

I can hardly wait for a complaint under NAFTA if Canadian and Mexican producers are shut out.

In fact, I would like to get the complaint started.

Sobe, please post the link.

StarkReality · 08-10-2004, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by mrmovie
Bullshit. Content produced overseas will not be allowed. The US govt cannot veryify the age of the models by using some form of foreign identity. It must be a US issued passport or ID.

If you want to wind up in jail that is your problem. SoBeGirl is producing content from Miami Florida USA. Legal, legit and you get model proof of age with every set.

Here is an AMERICAN GIRL getting her ass busted. :-0

[IMG]http://*************/Models/S060/two.jpg[/IMG]

Why do you keep telling everybody bullshit ? I got a european passport and I can travel with it whereever I want. Why ? Because it is an internationally accepted document that identifies me, issued by my country. You can verify the age by looking at the birthdate, yes, believe it or not, every passport, no matter what country it is from, has a birthdate printed in it. If there is any doubt about the validity, the embassy will be able to verify it.

It's not like european passports are something people paint in their spare time

Sarah_Jayne · 08-10-2004, 09:58 AM

the US is going to go after, lets say, a British webmaster for using British models? If the other worries that they will go after webmasters who host in the states is true then with your scare story it follows along. Good luck.

directfiesta · 08-10-2004, 10:06 AM

The US wants to " liberate " the models.... They heard that some content producers were using WMD in the shoot ....

Joke aside, I hope they do that. All non-us sites will do a killing. I already see my first page:

This site IS NOT compliant with 2257! Get the content you cannot get in the lame US sites ...

Paul Waters · 08-10-2004, 10:08 AM

Shit, Sobe may be right....

" (b) Picture identification card means a document issued by the United States, a State government or a political subdivision thereof, or a United States territory that bears the photograph and the name of the individual identified, and provides sufficient specific information that it can be accessed from the issuing authority, e.g., a passport issued by the United States or a foreign country, driver?s license issued by a State or the District of Columbia, or identification card issued by a State or the District of Columbia."

Sarah_Jayne · 08-10-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by Paul Waters
Shit, Sobe may be right....

" e.g., a passport issued by the United States or a foreign country, "

Paul Waters · 08-10-2004, 10:15 AM

Thank you Sarah.....

But the wording sucks. It could be interpretted as meaning a Canadian driver's licence is OK.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-10-2004, 10:19 AM

yeah but from what that says (and I am just going on that selection) just use a Canadian passport and you are covered.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-10-2004, 10:22 AM

the word 'state' is confusing to people from abroad because it can sometimes be used to talk about a country. They always pair it with the District Of Columbia in that statement though so they are making it clear they mean a US State.

08-10-2004, 12:20 AM	#1
Nate-MM2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver, CANADA Posts: 263	2257 - pending blowout of non-US produced content? Seems like the value for content produced in countries like Canada & some European companies will drop like a rock if all this 2257 stuff goes through considering it is illegal for them to help webmasters & customers comply with the new guidelines (providing personal info on the models, etc) Anybody else think there might be some dirt cheap deals that Canadian & foreign webmasters can position themselves to take advantage of? Discuss.

08-10-2004, 12:22 AM	#3
contentjunky Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chatsworth, California Posts: 377	Not sure just waiting till the 24th. We are revamping all the model releases and IDS to set up all the webmasters so they are ready to go. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

08-10-2004, 02:22 AM	#5
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Sorry Nate you are wrong. In fact you might be better off dealing with European producers. More Europeans will have passports and the authorities have less chance of checking the documents than with US based models. As for the privacy act, the model signed that away when she signed the model release. I suggest you talk to a lawyer before you post about legal matters. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

08-10-2004, 08:19 AM	#13
basschick Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: el lay, ca usa Posts: 2,540	as i read it, non-u.s. models must have a passport period - no other forms of i.d. will be legal. __________________ Got Gay and For Women Traffic?

08-10-2004, 10:06 AM	#22
directfiesta Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 29,761	The US wants to " liberate " the models.... They heard that some content producers were using WMD in the shoot .... Joke aside, I hope they do that. All non-us sites will do a killing. I already see my first page: This site IS NOT compliant with 2257! Get the content you cannot get in the lame US sites ... __________________ I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT ! But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

08-10-2004, 02:25 AM	#6
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	i have bought all my content from europe, and I have EVRY_SINGLE model release and id, no blackouts on the id's either

08-10-2004, 04:22 AM	#7
mrmovie So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 396	The proposed law does say that content from overseas cannot be used. People producing content overseas will tell you otherwise to save their own asses. SoBeGirl has all AMerican content with all American IDs and that is the key. The feds cannot check on IDs coming from other countires so that content is worthless. SoBeGirl has Model docs from the US and that is LEGAL> [IMG]http://www.*************/Models/S060/four.jpg[/IMG]

08-10-2004, 09:40 AM	#18
mrmovie So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 396	Bullshit. Content produced overseas will not be allowed. The US govt cannot veryify the age of the models by using some form of foreign identity. It must be a US issued passport or ID. If you want to wind up in jail that is your problem. SoBeGirl is producing content from Miami Florida USA. Legal, legit and you get model proof of age with every set. Here is an AMERICAN GIRL getting her ass busted. :-0 [IMG]http://*************/Models/S060/two.jpg[/IMG]

08-10-2004, 09:58 AM	#21
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	the US is going to go after, lets say, a British webmaster for using British models? If the other worries that they will go after webmasters who host in the states is true then with your scare story it follows along. Good luck.

08-10-2004, 10:08 AM	#23
Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	Shit, Sobe may be right.... " (b) Picture identification card means a document issued by the United States, a State government or a political subdivision thereof, or a United States territory that bears the photograph and the name of the individual identified, and provides sufficient specific information that it can be accessed from the issuing authority, e.g., a passport issued by the United States or a foreign country, driver?s license issued by a State or the District of Columbia, or identification card issued by a State or the District of Columbia." __________________ Paul

08-10-2004, 10:15 AM	#25
Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	Thank you Sarah..... But the wording sucks. It could be interpretted as meaning a Canadian driver's licence is OK. __________________ Paul Last edited by Paul Waters; 08-10-2004 at 10:16 AM..

08-10-2004, 10:19 AM	#26
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	yeah but from what that says (and I am just going on that selection) just use a Canadian passport and you are covered.

08-10-2004, 10:22 AM	#27
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	the word 'state' is confusing to people from abroad because it can sometimes be used to talk about a country. They always pair it with the District Of Columbia in that statement though so they are making it clear they mean a US State.