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wes · 08-07-2004, 04:52 PM

hi guys just got back into everything... been real busy. I am starting up a few sites and had some questions about the shoots. I have models ready just turned 18 my old school and area. Where should i do the shoot? How much should I pay? Give me some good tips and I can throw you guys some barely 18 fresh content for free. Thannks
-Wes
aim: investment

NoCarrier · 08-07-2004, 04:54 PM

Install a couple of hidden cameras inside their houses (shower, bedrooms...) and take pictures of them when they are naked.

Then use those pictures for a paysite.

That's the best advice I can give you.

Paul Waters · 08-07-2004, 04:59 PM

Hmmmm.......

Sorry to be blunt, but you are coming across as being totally clueless.

What are the themes of your sites? What do your expected customers want?

That should tell you how to shoot the girls.

Find out what the girls expect to be paid, and pay them a bit more.

Good luck. You need it.

wes · 08-07-2004, 05:05 PM

im going to have one thong/panty site, then one amatuer site, also one with toys, so yeah these girls are just 18 and some 19 but are down to do it. Should I bring them to my house to do the shoot? How many photos do you guys think should be minimum. I maybe new to this photography but not new to the game. I own my own webdesign company and work for a graphics company. I know all about starting up sites and think i can get a pretty good idea of what the customers want.

fr8 · 08-07-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by wes
hi guys just got back into everything... been real busy. I am starting up a few sites and had some questions about the shoots. I have models ready just turned 18 my old school and area. Where should i do the shoot? How much should I pay? Give me some good tips and I can throw you guys some barely 18 fresh content for free. Thannks
-Wes
aim: investment

Do the shoot where you want as long as its legal. You could stage it out in their rooms if you want. Just have good lighting. Pay as little as possible. When your making your own content you want to get the most for your buck. That way you can get multiple girls in and not be strapped for cash or if you sell it the profit is much higher.

joesmut (a) gmail dot com - If you want to throw some of that content my way.

Paul Markham · 08-08-2004, 04:06 AM

Something I wrote a little while ago.

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How many times have I heard ?It would be cheaper if I shot for myself? Well I sat and looked at the cost and I kept the bottom line as low as I could.

Here's a shopping list of essentials.

Camera, lights, light metre, locations, props, models.

Stills Camera. $1300
Video Camera $1,000
Studio Flash lights. $500
Flash metre. $300
Location. $80
Props, $20 a week.
Photography books. $100
Models $300 to $500 a day for solo girl.

Why so much?

Well you need a good digital camera that is going to take the picture when you shoot and keep taking them. Some have a delay and some even stop to download from the camera buffer to the chip. The model will think you a complete fool if you turn up with a camera that looks like you are an amateur. The Nikon D70 looks excellent value.

I also included $1,000 for a video camera assuming you want videos as well. There are a few at that range that will do the job.

Flash lights. You need to control the light and camera flash is not easily controlled, plus as the batteries run down you are waiting for the thrystor to recharge. Studio lights will fire and recharge in 4-6 seconds. Umbrellas are good; a soft box is better but more expensive. Don't try bouncing off the wall because you will pick up the colour of the wall. $500 could buy you a second hand pair of lights, I?m trying to keep costs down.

Flash metre. You have to control light to take a picture, even an amateur one. A flash metre will tell you what the light is doing, so you can set the lights and camera accordingly. Again it also makes you look professional in front of the model, essential for a newbie.

Location. Well you could use your home, it could save you a lot of money, but there are drawbacks. Every location will start to look the same, very boring for the member. You are allowing strangers, who are in need of money, into your house. Might bring a boyfriend are you going to be able to watch them ALL the time. Drug addicts will come to see if you have anything to steal. They know where you live and when Dad sees the pictures he knows who to blame and where to come. I think a hotel is best.

Props. The girls who turn up to be models are broke, they need money. So don't expect them to come up with large suitcase different clothing. You need to buy some clothes, as a back up, don't ruin a shoot because all she turned up with is the clothes she's wearing. She definitely will not turn up with vibrators bedspreads, throws etc. You need to provide them.

Photography books. You are going to need to know a little about photography and cameras so I put in $100, sound investment.

Models. Well this is varied depending on the quality of girls you want and where you are. In the mid west it would be cheaper than LA, but how many mid west girls are there who want to model nude and erotic? So I put in a figure, lets say $400 a day and it will always be cheaper to book them for the day and shoot everything then move on.

Now you have all that, practice until you have shot exactly what you want, I recommend starting out with a giant teddy, less attitude and more brains than real models. All you want to do now is get use to the equipment. Wait a little while before you get the naked women in. LOL

Then get a friend around and tell him/her you want to practice photography and see what you are like with a real person.

So I know what you are about to say, ?I only want to shoot Amateur?. Well here is the truth from a guy who can shoot amateur for a day and earn a lot of money from it. The ?Amateur? the surfer wants to see, most of the time, is the model not the photographer. The appeal is a girl doing it for the fun, kicks and sex. The fantasy is she's the girl next door being rude and fucked the shooter afterwards because she's ?EASY?.

So you need to create a certain impression with the models. The impression you're a professional guy shooting amateur style, not a pervert who gets off seeing at them naked. To look professional you need professional equipment. You have to be able to use the equipment well. It's easier to control equipment than a model, trying to work out how to use a camera, lights, direct a model and make her look ?HOT? all at the same time is a nightmare, get rid of one problem so you can concentrate on the other one.

What the model thinks of you is the look you will get on her face and we read those looks. Ever met someone for the first time and know they like you or dislike you straight away? You read them without even knowing it. Good porn is a girl looking like she wants to fuck, not just a picture of a girl with her legs open. This is the difference between a photographer and a pornographer. What the surfer does not want is to jerk off to a picture of a girl who thinks he's a total loser.

So I would say shooting 8 sets or videos a day would be maximum, getting one model a week would be a stretch but can happen. So shooting 50 models a year, 8 sets a time, you have 400 sets. Nice target but in truth totally unrealistic for a newbie to find that many girls and shoot that much ?Average? content. So let?s say you do 300 in your first year. We struggle to shoot 300 in a year.

So that works out to equipment and books $3100, props $1,000, locations I've calculated you could shoot half outdoors $4,000 and $20,000 for the models. Total cost $28,000 for 300 sets. With a few bits and pieces you are at $93 a set. Good price for an exclusive set. And look at all the naked women you got to see!

I've assumed you have Photoshop because you will need it to correct and crop the images. Plus a computer and editing program for the videos. A days shoot should take you a day to correct and resize the images, might be more if you do not get your camera and the lighting right. Plus a day to edit the videos. So what are two days a week worth? If you can convert 5 a day by submitting TGPs reckon $300 a week, another $50 a set round price $143. Still cheaper, than anyone good will shoot for.

Of course I have not included any of the ?Hidden extras? like agents fees, advertising to find models, interviewing them, a lap top for when you travel to a location and have assumed every set is saleable. Plus if you are in the US employing a lawyer, getting a license to shoot in a location and insurance. I know you were not thinking of these things, but if you have a problem you will wish you did get them. What if a girl hurts herself on a shoot and contacts a lawyer, you could be facing massive costs.

Here is the crux of the whole thing, how long before you develop a style and formula that will convert surfers into members? I'm assuming you will hit the ground running and be producing acceptable product from the start.

But you will have unique content, well unique along the other 10,000 sites doing exactly the same to the same standard. And you won't have to compete with those idiots that buy sets in at $35 and can put up 20 new sets a week for $700 and spend loads of time driving traffic and promoting their cash programs. You will be dealing with naked models instead.

And in your second year you can save the cost of buying equipment, but then in the third year you can buy it all again.

Paul Markham

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Good luck to anyone who thinks shooting porn is easy.

dubious media · 08-08-2004, 04:19 AM

Well said charly. It's definitely difficult and a lot more work than it seems.

Paul Markham · 08-08-2004, 04:32 AM

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Originally posted by dubiousmedia
Well said charly. It's definitely difficult and a lot more work than it seems.

Plus your work is totally undistinguishable from the other 10 guys who thought shooting porn for themselves would be cool, get them laid and make money at the same time.

You can see their remains in the "Photographers Graveyard"

sean416 · 08-08-2004, 04:34 AM

Don't shoot at home. You don't want pissed off boyfriends knocking on your door.

pussyluver · 08-08-2004, 05:19 AM

Nice short course. Think you aimed a bit low on pricing. If I could get a D70 with Lens for $1K, damn that would be sweet.

Live in the midwest US. Would luv to see the look on my insurance agents face when I say I'm in need of liability insurance.
Yep, I'll be shooting porn.

studio · 08-08-2004, 05:53 AM

Wes,

By reading your post... I would suggest you start at your attorney's office. Get all the legal issues covered so you don't find yourself in jail... then start thinking of the rest!

Denny,
Studio Twenty Eight

08-07-2004, 04:52 PM	#1
wes Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vegas/Pacific Palasades Posts: 3,150	photoshoots.. help hi guys just got back into everything... been real busy. I am starting up a few sites and had some questions about the shoots. I have models ready just turned 18 my old school and area. Where should i do the shoot? How much should I pay? Give me some good tips and I can throw you guys some barely 18 fresh content for free. Thannks -Wes aim: investment

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NoCarrier We need more free porn Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 16,356	Install a couple of hidden cameras inside their houses (shower, bedrooms...) and take pictures of them when they are naked. Then use those pictures for a paysite. That's the best advice I can give you. __________________

08-07-2004, 04:59 PM	#3
Paul Waters Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 4,402	Hmmmm....... Sorry to be blunt, but you are coming across as being totally clueless. What are the themes of your sites? What do your expected customers want? That should tell you how to shoot the girls. Find out what the girls expect to be paid, and pay them a bit more. Good luck. You need it. __________________ Paul

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08-07-2004, 05:05 PM	#4
wes Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Vegas/Pacific Palasades Posts: 3,150	im going to have one thong/panty site, then one amatuer site, also one with toys, so yeah these girls are just 18 and some 19 but are down to do it. Should I bring them to my house to do the shoot? How many photos do you guys think should be minimum. I maybe new to this photography but not new to the game. I own my own webdesign company and work for a graphics company. I know all about starting up sites and think i can get a pretty good idea of what the customers want.

08-08-2004, 05:19 AM	#10
pussyluver Clueless OleMan Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: ICQ - 169903487 Posts: 11,009	Nice short course. Think you aimed a bit low on pricing. If I could get a D70 with Lens for $1K, damn that would be sweet. Live in the midwest US. Would luv to see the look on my insurance agents face when I say I'm in need of liability insurance. Yep, I'll be shooting porn.

08-08-2004, 05:53 AM	#11
studio Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oshkosh, WI ICQ #251860879 Posts: 1,095	Wes, By reading your post... I would suggest you start at your attorney's office. Get all the legal issues covered so you don't find yourself in jail... then start thinking of the rest! Denny, Studio Twenty Eight __________________