Rewind your tapes back to before Bush invaded Iraq. He constantly referred to 9/11 and the need to make the country safer. You can't milk something for all its worth then turn around and say they're two completely seperate issues. Bush made the two issues relative, not me.

You are shamelessly lying when you say that agencies all over the world confirmed that Iraq had WMD. It is one thing to say he was not cooperating with the UN but if you want to say that agencies all around the world said he had WMD, prove it.

Their terms of surrender 12 years ago was to the UN. Not the US. If the UN went to war against Iraq then it would be justifiable, in this case, it wasnt.



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not even. a lie has to be intentional

lie2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (l)
n.
A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

If you believe that Columbus sailed for the New World in 1493, but in fact he left in 1492, it doesn't make you a liar.

You think you are right now, that does not make you a liar. You actually believe what you are saying is correct, even though your thoughts are based on inaccurate information. THat does not mean you lied.

*drum roll*

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/ira...es/casualties/

Read the 9/11 report. Bush was told by CIA, England, Russia, Israel (as I recall) that WMD's were a slam dunk

Would you mind telling G.W. to do the same then?

you are dumber than i thought . . .please go back to not responding to threads I am in

We're not talking about small school yard misinformed statements. We are talking about the President of the only Super Power in the world going on public television and telling people something with 100% confidence. If what you are saying was true, that we can't hold him accountable because someone gave him the wrong info.. then no political leader could ever be held responsible for anything.

Think of Saddam, what if during his trial he produced records where it said that his informants told him that all of the people he killed in his country were apart of a conspiracy to kill him and he attacked them out of self defence. We should just excuse his actions because he was misinformed? When you pull the trigger, you're held responsible no matter what your informants/advisors told you.

WRONG! The "Slam Dunk" statement came from only ONE man..George Tenant!.

MANY people told Bush that his intelligence was bad INCLUDING the man in charge of terrorist intelligence gathering Richard Clarke.

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and they would have no reason to lie what so ever.

then what if you had some information. Say that Iraq had purchased a bunch of aluminum tubes. and one your advisors tells you that those tubes are used for enriching uranium for nuclear weapons. So you contact a bunch of you nuclear advisors - people who know about this stuff. 8 of them tell you nope. the tubes are too big for that, they are probably used as missle bodies but anyone that knows how to enrich uranium would know that those tubes are not for that. and 1 of them says yes, it could be for enriching uranium. And you go on TV and say Iraq purchased aluminum tubes for enriching uranium.

I guess technically you might not be lying, but you certianly aren't telling the whole truth.

Also Bush told the people time and again, I remeber watching it a few times. That our war on terrorism includes Iraq and that they harbor terrorist and we need to remove saddam to make our country safer.

He had info before saying that, before attacking, that this was just not true and yet he still said it.

I think that's a lie.

Cheney the other day was asked what he thought of the 9/11 commision saying that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 or Osama or Al Quieda (sp) and he said " they were involved, there are connections."

Is he lying to us or did he lie to them whe he testified because if he knows there are connections you would think he would have told them so and shown proof.

after he was assured by the CIA, England, Russia nad Israel that Saddam had WMD's

Doesn't matter, Bush went on what he had been led to believe was true, and made a decision based on it

Does not make him a liar

Just wanted to make it clear that none of these COUNTRIES said it was a "Slam Dunk".

I just realized you're not who i thought you were! :1orglaugh My comments that I made earlier in the thread about you, were a mistake, I apologize. Pretty embaressing. :1orglaugh I thought you were beergood or something like that. Anyhoot, I apologize for what I said.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

You must be living in Cloud Cuckoo land along with baddog, give him my regards. That is if you can see him with those rose tinted glasses you are both wearing.

Iraq will be become a fundamentalist country, the only question is when.

The hate generated by this illegal war will be felt by the US for years. The terrorists could not of hoped for such a great recruiting tool than the US bombing innocent people.

It was founded on lies and now the appolagists are grabbing at straws. It would be a huge thing to straight accuse the President of lying, that would lead to impeachment and probably a trial as a war criminal.

But look at the facts. We were told Iraq posed a threat, they had WMDs, they were linked to terrorists, 9/11 Al Queda. So where is the proof? It never existed.

No WMDs, no effective army, no links to 9/11, no links to Al Queda (before the invasion).

Now it's not being called a lie, just poor intelligence.

Exactly how I feel about you. You aren't a liar.

He does not have to produce many records to use this defense, if he's being judged by the same criteria as Bush.

Just a couple of guys who were scared to tell him the truth will do.

One of the people who was not listened to about WMDs was Hans Blix. You remember him, he was the guy with the task of finding them. And with all this so called excellent intelligence he found exactly NOTHING.

The excuse that was being trotted out time after time was to reveal the location would give away the informant. Well it seems they never knew where they were. Iraq didn't even have conventional Scud missiles. His army was finished and useless. That's why they never bothered to bomb it, they just rushed in.

Against a force they were telling us existed, that would have been suicide.

the longer you read that the sadder it gets

A wiseman tries everything before arms. I think we need more wiseman! :2 cents: