WTF? John Kerry's Boat Crew Saying Something Totally Different.

[KRL]

Has anyone seen this yet? A friend just sent me this link.

http://swiftvets.com/

[freeadultcontent]

Does it matter really?

[Peaches]

I saw that site a few weeks ago. Yet another reason I won't be voting for him

[KRL]

Originally posted by Peaches
I saw that site a few weeks ago. Yet another reason I won't be voting for him

So who were the crew mates he was parading on stage at the convention that were speaking so highly of him

[Fletch XXX]

jealous and bitter soldiers who are pissed because he started VETS AGAINST THE WAR???

these guys are bitter old drunks, probably just like their fathers were.

scallywags

[cherrylula]

Let the hardcore trashing begin.

[crockett]

Originally posted by KRL
Has anyone seen this yet? A friend just sent me this link.

http://swiftvets.com/

that's the commerical that everyone has been talking about.. none of those guys served with Kerry .. the add is basicly a lie paid for by the republicians

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ans/index.html

[Peaches]

Originally posted by KRL
So who were the crew mates he was parading on stage at the convention that were speaking so highly of him

I'm going out on a limb here and guessing there were even MORE people on board that ship than those on stage with him AND the ones on that website.

[theking]

Originally posted by crockett
that's the commerical that everyone has been talking about.. none of those guys served with Kerry .. the add is basicly a lie paid for by the republicians

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...ans/index.html

Originally posted by theking
Your statements are incorrectly made. All of the people in the ad...except for one I think (the medical officer)...served with Senator Kerry. They did not serve under Senator Kerry but served with Senator Kerry in Coastal Division Eleven...on other boats in the Division or possibly some may have served in another capacity within the Division. Those that served on the boats...were barracked with Senator Kerry...and their boats would have served side by side of Senator Kerry's boat on some...if not all of the missions...that Senator Kerry's boat went on. Bottom line they would have personally known...or known of...Senator Kerry and the missions that he went on. They would have had their own opinion of Senator Kerry and their opinion of the actions that he took on a mission that they either participated in or heard about. They are entitled to their opinions of any individual and/or actions taken by any individual...in this case their opinion involves Senator Kerry.


Their opinions are of little import...as Senator Kerry's military record stands...as is...as officially recorded by the Navy.
His purple hearts...and other medals the Navy awarded him with... are veted at several different levels within the chain of command. The decision was made at the higher levels that the recommendations for the medals were valid...thus he was awarded the medals. What any single individual...or group of individuals offer as their opinion about the decisions made by the Navy is far above their pay grades...and should be of no import to anyone.

[xclusive]

Those men from the http://swiftvets.com/ site didn't actually serve on the same boat as Kerry that is why the Republicans are distancing themselves from them after initially going haha so don't always believe what you believe on the internet...

[wdsguy]

more republican propaganda

[crockett]

Originally posted by KRL
So who were the crew mates he was parading on stage at the convention that were speaking so highly of him

the real guys that did serve with Kerry.. shows you how low the republicains will stoop to try to win..

[Biggy2]

KRL,

there was a whole CNN article on that ad, and how it is falsified. Even Republican Sen. McCain criticized the ad. None of those veterans actually served on his boat.. a few said they were on neighboring boats, etc.

Check GFY, it was posted here.

[TheJimmy]

I'm thinking, although potentially damaging, that a lot of officers in the military are viewed as jackasses by the members of their unit...

Some military bosses have to push their troops and make hard decisions that others don't like...




Can anyone honestly think Bush had a more solid military background?

Woops, we can't really look into that though now can we, as most of his records 'accidentally' got destroyed

I wonder what Bush's peers and troops would say about him today...oh that's right he didn't have any troops under him as he was doing the pseudo military, party-flyboy guard thing....I'm guessing the other FRAT-bros thought he was just swell ;)


apples and oranges...


My gutt tells me that neither of these guys are 100% honest about anything, hell they're POLITICIANS now...

[Biggy2]

Btw, all the guys saying "he dishonored his country" .. "he betrayed his country" - they are saying that in regards to him coming home and protesting against the war..

its funny how they put in how he lied about his purple hearts, and then right after say how he disgraced his country - based on two unrelated events.. it gives the false picture.

[KRL]

So its just more fucking Republican bullshit then. I figured something wasn't right with that site.

Can't wait to clean house in November.




http://www.JohnKerry.com

[Fletch XXX]

this is so very simple.

youre a soldier, you go through the same shit kerry does. he gets a star and a purple heart. begins antiwar activism once returning home with those medals of honor.

these soldiers are whiny little jealous bitches.

imagine how jealous they are, he gets what they want to achieve, and then starts anti-war mess?

that fact alone must have gotten under their skin for decades now.

simple.
its also just more propaganda, i dislike both sides, but what can ya do?

[genomega]

This is nothing new they have been saying this for years, 60 minutes has done 2 segments on it.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Peaches
I'm going out on a limb here and guessing there were even MORE people on board that ship than those on stage with him AND the ones on that website.

you do realize what a swift boat is don't you? It's not a battleship that can hold 3,000 troops refer the the movie "Apocalypse Now"

and keep in mind that being on a Swift boat was one of the most dangerous jobs to have during Vietnam and Kerry volunteered for it.. unlike George Bush who made the lowest possible score in order to get into the Air National guard, and somehow managed to get bumped in front of guys who had better scores.

George Bush during flight training >>

[EviLGuY]

Originally posted by freeadultcontent
Does it matter really?

No, not really...

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by crockett
you do realize what a swift boat is don't you? It's not a battleship that can hold 3,000 troops refer the the movie "Apocalypse Now"

you cant explain anything about the real world to peaches

she thinks Kerry was driving the titanic in *swiftly* to pick up soldiers.

[Fletch XXX]

ive never been to war or been on a swift boat, but i am gonna take a guess.



this a swift boat right

[Fletch XXX]

most people on this board have boats bigger than these things

[crockett]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
you cant explain anything about the real world to peaches

she thinks Kerry was driving the titanic in *swiftly* to pick up soldiers.

lol well ok, but for those that don't know what one is.. here is a picture..

link hotten

[genomega]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
this is so very simple.

youre a soldier, you go through the same shit kerry does. he gets a star and a purple heart. begins antiwar activism once returning home with those medals of honor.

these soldiers are whiny little jealous bitches.

imagine how jealous they are, he gets what they want to achieve, and then starts anti-war mess?

that fact alone must have gotten under their skin for decades now.

simple.
its also just more propaganda, i dislike both sides, but what can ya do?

If it were spread all over the boards you raped and killed children you wouldnt be upset? That's what this fucker did in front of congress, accused all soldiers of killing and raping children when in reality he was the war criminal.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by genomega
If it were spread all over the boards you raped and killed children you wouldnt be upset? That's what this fucker did in front of congress, accused all soldiers of killing and raping children when in reality he was the war criminal.

i thought john kerry admitted to being part of war crimes like decades ago?

have you not seen the video?

soldiers have in fact raped and killed children in all major wars, need links to Okinawa rapes? so i doubt he was lying then or now.

*warming my hands on the flames of the flag*

[Mutt]

bad title of this thread - know facts before you get your strings pulled by the puppetmaster - ONE, count em, ONE of those vets actually was on Kerry's boat.

i'm open to hearing bad things about Kerry's time in Nam but from here it looks like his biggest crime was to make himself look more heroic than he was - uh....... the guy was on a river boat in the Mei Kong Delta - he was IN country, he was IN combat, what he was not was IN the United States safe as a kitten like the dumb drunk fratboy Bush.

Fletch has it pegged right I think - bunch of bitter old Republican vets who got pissed that Kerry came home and fought against the war.

again at it's worst you have a guy who served his country put his life on the line, did his patriotic duty fighting a war and then fighting against a war when he got home, gilded the lily of his wartime experience with a political future in his plans.

they call it a CHARACTER FLAW. if true it is. but what the fuck do you call it when you are such a pussy you get your old man to jump the line and hide you away in the Texas National Guard to avoid being drafted and serving your country? what do you call having your fucking drivers license suspended for endangering the lives of others driving drunk and high? what do you call it when you are the President of the United States and aren't ashamed to tell people God talks to you and you take your orders from him?

when it comes to character flaws there is a clear winner.

[DaLord]

It's funny that someone in this business actually would be stupid enough to vote for Bush.
He would shit down your neck if he got the chance and tell you porn is bad and invade your backyard.

So many of you would be back at running jokes sites and flipping burgers.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
*warming my hands on the flames of the flag*

Better not say that out loud, theking might come after you

[benc]

Porn is probably already doomed. All these guys bragging about their Hummers are going to be the equivalent of the dot bomb guys that were making 100 grand and playing foosball all day and then had to go back to living with their parents.


Kerry brought this on by making himself out to be George Patten and calling these guys his band of brotehrs.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Mutt
bad title of this thread - know facts before you get your strings pulled by the puppetmaster - ONE, count em, ONE of those vets actually was on Kerry's boat.

i'm open to hearing bad things about Kerry's time in Nam but from here it looks like his biggest crime was to make himself look more heroic than he was - uh....... the guy was on a river boat in the Mei Kong Delta - he was IN country, he was IN combat, what he was not was IN the United States safe as a kitten like the dumb drunk fratboy Bush.

Fletch has it pegged right I think - bunch of bitter old Republican vets who got pissed that Kerry came home and fought against the war.

again at it's worst you have a guy who served his country put his life on the line, did his patriotic duty fighting a war and then fighting against a war when he got home, gilded the lily of his wartime experience with a political future in his plans.

they call it a CHARACTER FLAW. if true it is. but what the fuck do you call it when you are such a pussy you get your old man to jump the line and hide you away in the Texas National Guard to avoid being drafted and serving your country? what do you call having your fucking drivers license suspended for endangering the lives of others driving drunk and high? what do you call it when you are the President of the United States and aren't ashamed to tell people God talks to you and you take your orders from him?

when it comes to character flaws there is a clear winner.

Correct.

Amazes me how anybody can even compare these two men. Honor, valor, and bravery only belong to one of them.

[Peaches]

Originally posted by crockett
you do realize what a swift boat is don't you? It's not a battleship that can hold 3,000 troops refer the the movie "Apocalypse Now"

So you're saying the men on the website (one, from what other posters have said) and the men on stage supporting Kerry comprised the entire crew of the swift boat? Interesting.

[MickeyG]

just another example why you cant believe everything you see on tv.

[dig420]

Originally posted by Peaches
So you're saying the men on the website (one, from what other posters have said) and the men on stage supporting Kerry comprised the entire crew of the swift boat? Interesting.

and the one person in the swiftboat group who served with him has recanted his affadavit to this group.

[KRL]

One thing I saw on that site that I imagine is true and correct is that Kerry was actually in Vietnam for 4 months and he got out of his 1 year tour of duty through some manipulation of the fact he had gotten those medals.

Correct me if I'm wrong on that. I have to admit the impression you get from listening to him is that he was there for a long time.

[Libertine]

Originally posted by KRL
One thing I saw on that site that I imagine is true and correct is that Kerry was actually in Vietnam for 4 months and he got out of his 1 year tour of duty through some manipulation of the fact he had gotten those medals.

Correct me if I'm wrong on that. I have to admit the impression you get from listening to him is that he was there for a long time.

Generally, they let you go after getting wounded 3 times (= 3 purple hearts) if you requested it.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by punkworld
Generally, they let you go after getting wounded 3 times (= 3 purple hearts) if you requested it.

yeah i would stop considering myself lucky after 3 too.

[mardigras]

Those that served on the boats...were barracked with Senator Kerry...and their boats would have served side by side of Senator Kerry's boat on some...if not all of the missions...that Senator Kerry's boat went on. Bottom line they would have personally known...or known of...Senator Kerry and the missions that he went on.

That is about the stupidest shit I have ever read at GFY. I was in the navy. Our 8 boats were nicely in a row along the dock. I didn't even know the name of everyone on mine let alone the other 7.

That is like saying that person A lives in an apartment complex, so does person B. Therefore person A knows person B and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

[hottoddy]

Originally posted by mardigras
That is about the stupidest shit I have ever read at GFY. I was in the navy. Our 8 boats were nicely in a row along the dock. I didn't even know the name of everyone on mine let alone the other 7.

That is like saying that person A lives in an apartment complex, so does person B. Therefore person A knows person B and anyone who says otherwise is lying.

A fucking apartment complex analogy? Talk about some stupid shit. These were tiny boats that travelled, worked and fought intimately together in teams. You bet they knew each other, expecially the COs.

[dig420]

Originally posted by hottoddy
A fucking apartment complex analogy? Talk about some stupid shit. These were tiny boats that travelled, worked and fought intimately together in teams. You bet they knew each other, expecially the COs.

O'Neill didn't get there until two months after Kerry was out of the country. It's been proven to the satisfaction of any reasonable person that this group is totally full of shit. Time to move on the next lying slander for the conservatives.

[Rick Latona]

That's pretty intense but I'll still vote for him. They all suck. I just want the guy in there that will let me do my business without trying to put me in jail. Oh, and the whole embryo cloning thing.

I'm sure in real life he's an asshole just like the other one.

[hydro]

like i said in another post these guys weren not on kerry's boat. They were only within close distance and non of the people on kerry's boat have said that thier story is true. The ad made for swiftvets was funded by Rick Perry, The governor of tx who served under dubya. He is of course a republican and somewhat far right wing

[slavdogg]

Here is more shit about Kerry

Kerry took no enemy fire for medal
Received Purple Heart for 'scratch' despite initial rejection
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39831

Kerry was asked to leave Vietnam
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39835

[dig420]

Originally posted by hydro
like i said in another post these guys weren not on kerry's boat. They were only within close distance and non of the people on kerry's boat have said that thier story is true. The ad made for swiftvets was funded by Rick Perry, The governor of tx who served under dubya. He is of course a republican and somewhat far right wing

"Behind the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth are veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact; eternal Kerry antagonist and Houston attorney John E. O'Neill, law partner of Spaeth's late husband, Tex Lezar; and retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as 'the classic body-count guy' who 'wanted hooches destroyed and people killed.'"

Spaeth was also involved in defaming Clinton and McCain. Nasty people, these republicans...

[dig420]

Originally posted by slavdogg
Here is more shit about Kerry

Kerry took no enemy fire for medal
Received Purple Heart for 'scratch' despite initial rejection
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39831

Kerry was asked to leave Vietnam
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=39835

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and those links you posted are to excerpts from O'Neill's book about Kerry, the same O'Neill who is discredited as the head of this swift boat group.

Most conservative news sites have all the credibility of the National Enquirer.

[Lord_Austin]

Kerry killed the Viet Cong and loved every minute of it.
He should be proud of what they made him do.

[hydro]

i heard batboy is back

[fr8]

If this makes it to television then its bush for another 4 years.

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by slavdogg
Here is more shit about Kerry

Instead of reading and posting right wing lies, why not find out the truth?

Are you scared of the truth?

http://www.mediamatters.org/

Right wingers can't defend Bush, so they attack Kerry with lies.

Then they post links to more lies.

[crockett]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


Instead of reading and posting right wing lies, why not find out the truth?

Are you scared of the truth?

http://www.mediamatters.org/

Right wingers can't defend Bush, so they attack Kerry with lies.

Then they post links to more lies.

yea isn't that the truth...


you ask a right winger why haven't we caught bin ladden and what are we doing to stop terrorism?

they answer: well well caught Saddam he was a terrorist and we caught him


so you ask when did saddam attack the US and where is his WMD?

they answer: well Saddam was a real bad guy, and I don''t like him, and he was a real bad guy and that's just how it is. And btw we caught him

You ask them to compare our national debit to when Clintion was in office and now?

they answer: we'll it's all lies it's all Clintions fault and that's how it is.. George Bush is a hero and we caught Saddam.