Let me correct that:

Black Pride = Fucking stupid
Gay Pride = Retarded
Feminist Pride = Nauseatingly dumb
White Male Pride = Laughably idiotic

Personal pride = Rarely justified

Sad thread from many perspectives.

Is the reason that you don't want others to feel pride, that you can't feel pride for yourself?

Where did you get the idea that I care if feeble-minded monkeys are proud of their pathetic lives?

And now you are resorting to name-calling.

I can play that game too.

You're an anti-White racist and an uncivil, prideless brute.

I agree with you Repetitive Monkey, and quite honestly, I'm seeing more and more people being aware of their heritage and being proud of what they were born into/raised with.

Too many people have given this a bad name to the point of where once you talk about being proud of being white, you're automatically labeled as a nazi.
But somehow it's perfectly OK of being proud that you're black or of mixed origin. Give me a fucking break.

I don't hate black people, I don't hate asian people, I just don't believe that we should all mix together. Each race brings something unique in due to living in a specific climate and having own traditions.
Am I racist because of that? Fuck no. I respect others, I just wouldn't want to mix in with them, and it's my own choice that I make.

I'm glad that the movies like Lord of the Rings are coming out to the big cinema/get media attention... if you've read the book you've seen how much Tolkien has borrowed from the European mythology, and it's great that, specials effects aside, people are fascinated by it.

Actually, I wasn't calling anyone in particular names. Didn't you just say you never said that you were proud or that you were proud because of your race or heritage?
If the shoe fits, however, it ain't my damn fault.

But if you insist, I'll gladly call you a moron. For example, because you mistake my misanthropy for anti-white racism. Or because you write "white" with a capital "W". Or, perhaps, simply because you have already demonstrated a total lack of knowledge with regards to genetics. Plenty of reasons to pick from.

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Is anyone putting a gun to your head and forcing you to fuck black chicks? No? Then stop whining.
Just like it's your right to not fuck people of other races, other people have the right to fuck with people of whichever race they want. And you know what? It's none of your damn business, so stay the hell out of it.

Exactly my sentiments. If you want a peaceful and advanced world, and not to mention diversity, you'd let all peoples have their own sovereign lands and step out of their business. If you throw them all together all you get is hate and conflict, and zero diversity in the end.

Therefore the multiculturalists are either logically challenged or have ulterior motives like the destruction of races and cultures. Who are the hateful ones, the haters of races? The answer is obvious.

You referred to me with your monkey comment, that much was perfectly clear.

Of course I did. Someone tried to make it appear that I had made this thread about pride. The thread is about the elimination of races and cultures, and I didn't bring pride into it before someone else did.

I call you anti-White because you are attacking me seemingly just for standing up for my European people and the peril that they are in. You haven't given me a reason to doubt that yet. I capitalize both White and Black both out of respect and distinction, since I am referring to races and not colors. And if you feel that my understanding of genetics is incorrect, then by all means, correct me. Evolution still is about adaptation. Adaptation still is about letting the strong have more offspring, and the weaker less.

Actually, up until now I hadn't even looked at your nick. "Monkeys" is just a generic term I use for gullible idiots. But I guess, judging by your nick, that the shoe fits quite well indeed :1orglaugh

Well then... it should've been clear to you that I wasn't talking to you. I only replied to a post by someone else about pride. If you are so insecure that you interpret someone ridiculing the idea of pride based on race, gender or sexual orientation as a personal attack, you are a troubled person indeed.

I'm not attacking you for "standing up for your European people". At first, I wasn't attacking you at all, and now I'm just attacking you for being a brainless fuckwit.

Furthermore, the kind of adaptation which is seen in evolution is not about "letting the strong have more offspring". The whole point is that producing more offspring is evolutionary "strength".

No shit, Sherlock. :1orglaugh That's semantics, when you know that I originally used the right wording. As I said in the post on this issue; "... the best among them will create more offspring and thusly influence the subsequent adaptation."

The "best" is a relative term for those who are the most adapted to their environment and thus can produce the most or strongest offspring.

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First of all, monkey, it's not just semantics. The phrase "letting the strong have more offspring, and the weaker less." implies actual intervention. You do know what "letting" means, right?
Aside from that, "strongest" and "most adapted" are two completely different things in the English language.

The reason I didn't give what you wrote a charitable reading is that you seemed to make a mistake which is made by most people talking about "preserving the white race".

And besides that, you had already demonstrated a flawed teleological view of nature:


Nature has no aim, nor does it have an "aim". There is no law of nature according to which diversity will necessarily continue to grow, nor would a law of nature of that kind imply a moral obligation to stimulate diversity in nature. Nature isn't good, or bad, or genius, or stupid. It just is.

Also, artificially keeping variants within a species apart to "stimulate natural diversity" is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard, for reasons that I think should be obvious to anyone with even half a brain.

No, it is just semantics, and anyone who knows me know that I am not a religious person. You are grasping at straws, matey. :)

What about artificially bringing them together with the opposite intent? Modern transports, governments that forces immigration and integration onto a people, is all artificial.

So who are the instigators for artificially changing nature here? Thanks for handing me that point, for free even.

Even if the roles were reversed, if we were the ones looking to "artificially change nature" (which all humans already do in many ways), how is preserving instead of destroying diversity "the stupidest idea you have ever head?" Can you elaborate on that? Is diversity stupid?

Not a religious person? What the hell does that have to do with anything?

As for the grasping at straws thing... so far pretty much everything you've said is nonsense, and I don't think I've actually seen you make a valid point with regards to anything - except maybe for the fact that I am indeed being rude to you. Then again, you deserve that for being stupid. So it seems more like you are the one grasping at straws and, even worse, avoiding the actual content of the discussion.

This discussion seems to assume that "white" achievement is a constant and that it is somehow fixed to the "white" racial genome.

I'd like to remind everyone on this thread about the following facts:


Prior to the rise of Rome: most of Europe (except for the Greeks) was a cultural backwater

Many technologies did not reach the Gothic/Germanic tribes prior to the Romans

Many "white" countries only became culturally advanced after they incorporated Greek/Latin/Asian (from Asia Minor) cultural imports



Bottomline: you seem to base your arguments on the status quo of 'white' cultural achievement. However, keep in mind that for most of its history Europe was embroiled in vicious and barbaric wars.

History is NOT linear. If you play the tape back, it might easily be another 'race' on top.

Who is putting a gun to your head forcing you to breed with black chicks? Who is making laws that people are required to have at least 1 interracial child? Who is forcing you onto the "modern transports" and shipping you to Zimbabwe?

Globalisation is no different than a dry spell evaporating a river and connecting two groups of a single species. Randomness is part of nature, and globalisation is a part of that. Ofcourse, if you think that there's a global conspiracy behind globalisation with the "intent" to mix all the races and eliminate diversity, you're probably also sitting behind your computer with a tin foil hat on right now.


No, you are. The main reason you give for why diversity is good is that it's the "aim" of nature. Your words, not mine.
Now, when nature moves the opposite way, you want to artificially stop the natural process so the "aim" of nature is followed.

That's like saying people should have freedom but wanting to take it away when they do something with that freedom that you don't consider free enough. Utterly ridiculous and hypocritical.

You said that I had a "teleological view" of nature. Teleology deals with greater aims, purposes, ends, and since that can also imply religiousness (the greater aims of God, etc), I felt the need to mention my non-religious status.

You are indeed grasping at straws. Your posts are all about semantics and insults, they are directly hateful in some instances as well. You are enfuriated that someone would want to object to the willfull destruction of races that is going on, but you dare not say it in those words.

I love diversity, and you don't like it in the case of humans because of reasons I can't fathom. We can't change eachother's views obviously, but I don't see why you feel the need to be uncivil and hateful. Are you compensating for something?

Oh hell.. We have the world's leader in blantant racism trying to have a balanced discussion! :1orglaugh

I don't think RM's beliefs can be accurately simplified like that.

It's interesting how words like SEXIST, RACIST, or HOMOPHOBE are used to silence discussions.

The point he raises (cultural identity vs. national identity) is definitely going to be a bigger issue as 'white' countries' native populations plummet

Semantics again. Obviously context and quotation marks aren't obvious enough to you. Evolution/nature has the effect of creating more diversity.

And as I said, I love it, and you say you don't like it at all. We have opposing opinions, but that's no reason to go psychopathic. People have many opinions, for many different reasons. If you are going to spend as much futile energy on every one of them as you are on me, you are going to have a very sad and troubled life.

My apologies. I see my mistake now. I should have realized that you lacked the mental capacities to fully understand the word "teleological". Good job on looking it up though, although you should realize that 9 times out of 10 it's not meant in a religious way.

Most of what you've said has been refuted already, and the rest is too stupid to even waste time on. What else can I do than just make fun of you for my own entertainment?

So you believe in the "the willfull destruction of races that is going on"... so do you also believe it's all being planned out by the aliens that rule the world from Area 51?

Where did you get the idea that I don't like diversity? I don't like stupid people, and I don't like you (the two kinda go together), but I have nothing against diversity. Hell, I ate Italian yesterday, Mexican today and tomorrow I'm probably gonna eat sushi... I love diversity :1orglaugh

You know, there would be a lot less problems with "semantics" if you would use words that come even remotely close to what you mean. Because if I'm too believe you, with every post you make every single word you've written in this thread changes it's meaning entirely. They say language is dynamic, but you're really taking it a few steps too far.


Once again, this is not a waste of energy. I enjoy making fun of the stupid little monkey and poking it with words and sentences it doesn't understand. It's really top grade entertainment :glugglug

Now, since this is the second time you've claimed I've said I don't like diversity, where did I say it? Or is the little monkey delusional too? :1orglaugh

our pursuit of the American dream at the expense of cherishing a large family has cost the white family this situation...

most would prefer to both be professionals with the smaller family than make big monetary sacrifices and have large families...

white/euro culture has also found a way to look down on the 'housewife' or 'domestic engineer' is another reason for this...



not shocking that it's happening as a result fo those things...


only way it'll change is if the white/euro cultures do some massive shifting on their collective priorities...which I seriously doubt will happen...

Are you angry that I ensured myself against being presented as a religious nut in following posts? Not only does teleological imply religious concepts in some cases, people who don't know of the word teleological might mistake it for theological, and if I don't refute that, trolls are going to have their way with the situation and further vadanlize the discussion. I have talked with trolls before, I know the drill. And you showed some potential considering you made a bunch of consecutive posts all about semantics, where you tried to make it appear I meant something I didn't.

And again with the insults and the hate. What have I done to you? Have I commited heresy by objecting to the take-over of Europe?

What you have done is refuting positions that you think you can draw from out of context, one-dimensional interpretations of single words I have used. Such as "aim," in the latest instance. You have not refuted my only point in this entire thread, that diversity more desirable than uniformity.


Governmental policies *are* willfull, and governmental policies in Europe is what is forcing this upon us. When multiculturalists say that the goal is to integrate our countries with foreign races (the PC interpretation of "diversity"), that kind of adds to it, don't you think?

Therefore what is going on in Europe is willfull, but whether is it with malicious or naive intent I don't know.

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What the HELL are you talking about?
You might want to consider just admitting that comprehending the word caused you some major trouble, because this idiotic rambling is making you look even more stupid.

What hate? I don't hate you. I despise you, true, and I enjoy ridiculing you, but I don't hate you. You're too meaningless and amusing for that.

Not single words, sentences and paragraphs. Basically, key flaws in your argumentation.
I quoted the entire "aim" paragraph, remember? And it most certainly wasn't taken out of context, you just said something really stupid and later on tried to convince the world that "aim" means "effect". Unsuccessfully, ofcourse.



Once again you prove your ignorance. Nearly every European country is doing as much as it can to keep immigrants out. If you're from Europe, you should know that.
Nobody specifically wants the races to mix - they just want the people in the country to live together peacefully and with equal rights. If people of different races mix is their business, not that of the state or idiots like you.

Like I already said in this thread, people like you should keep your noses out of other people's business. Nobody is forcing you to to become the newest blonde on the blacksonblondes site, so stop whining.

Yes I agree:thumbsup

You forgot national pride.

I don't mind mixing of the races it's the people that are trying to say thier race is the only one that matters that is the problem and that is the muslims in europe and mexicans in the south west u.s. just my :2 cents:

I am talking about common trolling techniques. You have proven yourself quite willing to use them. It is better that I throw in that I am not religious, than having a troll make ten long posts claiming that I believe in a higher aim of nature, i.e. a higher consciousness or God, and therefore is a bible-thumbing facist. Don't act like this is completely unrealistic, you have already made damn near 10 posts with argumentation based on your literal interpretation of my obviously not literal use of the word "aim." Regardless, it is irrelevant. I ensured myself because I believed it was potential troll food. Whatever you think of it doesn't matter.


And why is that? I haven't done anything to you. You are hateful and prejudiced.


I never said that aim means effect. Here you go building a strawman again. I used aim in context and with quotation marks, of course I didn't mean to say that nature has a consciousness or anything like that. I used "aim" because evolution and subsequent diversity is what is enriching nature. Without it, nature would consist of a bunch of single-celled organisms, if even that (unless you believe animals were created and placed here - lol). Therefore I used the word "aim," with quotation marks to show that I didn't mean it in a literal sense.


I live in Europe, and I experience the laws and the governmental policies every day. The media and the politicians are constantly reminding us that if we don't take in more immigrants, then they will all die gruesome deaths and we will be even more evil than we already are for being White. Only nazis would want to opposite immigration, in their opinion, and anyone who speaks in a negative way of immigration is automatically, and I do mean automatically, labelled a racist.

And what is that you speak of equal rights? I think you will find a fair number of people will disagree with you on that. What is currently called equal rights really is unequal rights, because in most European countries, non-native ethnicities automatically get higher social welfare and employment preferences among other things just by virtue of their race and immigration status. No matter what you say about that, it is not equal rights by any stretch of the imagination. It is unequal rights.

The reason gay and black and other prides that people do not have an issue with and why people have problems with WHITE PRIDE is because those who shout it often switch pride for power. Simply the people who are behing the white pride movement often push it past pride and dead into prejudice. There are whites holding major positions in the NAACP and comparing them to the KKK or NOFEAR is apples and oranges, the organizations just have drastically differant members and goals. Blacks and Gays who get together for ralleys do not hold anti white or anti hetero emblems or feelings as a whole while most white pridist do, the problem is with the members of the groups not the ideals they SHOULD represent.

European culture is crammed down the throats of all american students as well as students in other countries so I do not see where you are coming from on loss of culture. African American history is taught as a supliment in one month out of the year here and probably even less in foreign countries and the history of other races is barely even taught untill you get into higher education. All other cultures are passed on through popular media weither the real deal or not which is really sad.

American Indians were not bred out of existance they were killed off in large numbers and then herded into the west, their numbers are higher than you think, they are one of the few cultures left on the planet that breeds almost exclusively within their own ranks (asians are the other)

There is nothing you can do about genetic crossing, it will happen no matter what you do about it because people will fall for people or they will simply have a preferance for things. Culture is evolutionary which is something you have failed to realize, learning history is the resonsibility of the person but culture inevitably changes with time.

Since you used the arguments that races inevitable cross (of course, if they are put into the same population) and that culture is changing (naturally it does, what I objected to was global monoculture) against my opinion that Europe should be for Europeans, Africa for Africans, and so forth, would you then agree to if the sitation was reversed, and Whites were demonstratively out-breeding other races in their own homelands? Add to it that the non-Whites the Whites were replacing were not allowed to publicly talk about or hold a national vote on the issue. Would you still be perfectly ok with that? Somehow I get the feeling that you would not.

And the stereotypes of White people who have pride in their backgrounds as well is just that - stereotypes. And they are perpetuated in the extreme by western media. Every police show for example has at least a few episodes where a group of dumb White people come around and start lynching non-Whites for then to laugh with evil grins. Do they ever portray Black people with pride in their backgrounds like this? No, they don't. And that is despite the fact that Black people murder White people at a higher rate than the other way around, according to statistics in USA at least. Interesting, wouldn't you say?

Of course there exists idiots who don't know how to make productive advances for their views, and instead resort to needless violence, but every race has them, and only White people are collectively punished for it.

That is a pretty long piece of nothing you wrote there.

I don't like you because you are stupid. An example: you call me prejudiced because I ridicule you for the things you say.

Not only are you stupid yourself, you also seem to think the rest of the world is. Typical.

Obviously, I realize that with the quotation marks you meant to exclude the idea of a consciousness, i.e. a literal "aim". That's why I never said anything about a consciousness, but instead spoke about a law of nature concerning diversity and especially a teleological view on that. Duh.
Like I already said in my first post about this, what I was arguing against is the idea that there is a law of nature which by it's very structure makes an ever-increasing diversity a necessary result of evolution. Which, by the way, is something that is implied by your "aim", as well as by stuff like:
Oh, and wasn't that you attempt to change aim into effect as well? The one you just denied making?



You must live in a different Europe than I do. The Europe I live in has strict numbers for the maximum allowed amounts of immigrants and refugees, and does pretty much everything it can to keep them out if at all possible.

That's just a rather stupid strategy to try and achieve equal rights and opportunities within society. Since people of other ethnicities traditionally have a big disadvantage in the job market, they figure doing this for a few decades might help create more equality.
A dumb-ass strategy, absolutely, but most certainly not an attempt to "oppress the white man" or anything of the sort.

I live in the United States and all that are non white are are called minorities so your argument does not work so well with me. Only the American Indians and the mexicans can claim they owned this land based on length of occupancy. I suppose you could ask South Africa about things like outside cultures coming in, let's see if these outsiders ever exert the control over Europe that Europe has exerted on India, Persia or Africa. I know you are not saying that that is right either as you have said that Africa should be for Africa etc.

I also live in the south so your second argument does not work so well, white pride and white power are synonymous with most people down here. Preaching to me about stereotypes is also going to be pissing in the wind my friend, I am viewed everyday based on stereotypes, of couse within moments those views are shown to be misplaced with me but the fact is stereotypes are all based on something in the past, your job is not to exemplify them.
You can blame people looking down on you for being a seperatist on the fact that the majority of people who would agree with you have much stronger intentions than perhaps you do (giving you the benifit of the doubt) Remember this, Hitler at first just wanted seperate states for arians and jews, this is how the majority of people view things that you are talking about because the majority of people have that in mind when talking about pride and seperation (segregation). Remember that western ideals and eastern ideals are differant, what you are talking about is not heard of in such a innocent mannor here and most people will base it on western ideals and history of seperatism only using european negatives such as the nazi party.

Even the most radical of pro black movements have always had whites involved in them such as the black panthers. Sorry man your argument is just not very strong when it comes to the differance in common pro white and pro any other group of people, especially here in America. It really sucks that the loudest and most ignorant are the people are payed the most attention to and others get labeled as the same, I know first hand. There is no part of pro black anything that says that the killing of whites just because they are white is good or acceptable. No "The only good cracker is a dead cracker" on shirts or flags. Police shows, and by this I am guessing you mean shows like C.S.I and Law and Order more than C.O.P.S. pull their ideas OUT OF THE PAPERS AND WORLD EVENTS. There are plenty of cases of "white pride" activists killing blacks, I would boost your argument to the unfair and undeserving level of strong if you could show me at least 3 stories of pro black activists on a large scale killing whites and preaching about the superiority of the black race. I will be waiting.

There is a HUGE flaw in your kill count methodology. Blacks kill more blacks than they kill whites hands down which you seem to have not mentioned. Also blacks are a minority so you have to base things like that on per capita meaning there has to be a ratio using the amount of incidents and using a common denominator because of the differance in the total of all individuals in the races.

The funny thing about it all is that race is a word that also defines a competition between 1 or more compeditors to reach an end, unless we all launch a war with defined racial lines the races will never finish the race. I see where your argument comes from and I also see that you are not what people may think you are based on those comments because they will see it as i said before, western ideals and eastern nazi mentality. But it is inevitable that all races will cross on a grander and grander scale, cultures will inevitably be bred out and history will remain to tell us about them only. All called progression.

I enjoy the consequences of cultural diversity on many levels, so to that extent I regret globalisation. But I don't agree with attempts to force the separation of "cultures" and I believe that such attempts are similar to King Canute trying to hold back the sea.

More than that, people talk in many different contexts about national, cultural, ethnic pride and the like. But they almost always ignore how transitional the specifics are. For example, my family landed in England with William the Conqueror. Should I be proud to be English or long for a return to northern France? Or am I a rootless person because I don't know where we were before Normandy?

And by "my family", I mean my father's family. My mother's family (which would be considered more important if I were Jewish), was originally Viking. Is my soul eventually going to be transported to Valhalla? Heaven knows what other bloodlines have got mixed in along the way...

Not only are we all mongrels, but even if we are born in the same country as our recent ancestors, it isn't necessary to go back too far to find people with whom we have absolutely nothing in common. How many Americans could even hold a conversation with their great-great-great grandparents? Although Geoffrey Chaucer and I nominally speak the same language, I could never have read his Canterbury Tales without the help of a teacher.

Even if you ignore all that, at what point does the basis for your pride begin? Can I be proud to be part of a nation which not too long ago ruled large parts of the globe, or would it be more appropriate to be ashamed that my more distant ancestors were still wearing skins and blue paint when the Romans already knew how to build roads and had developed the basis of modern law?

This kind of pride isn't logical and it has to be very selective. Nationality, even ethnicity, is as much an accident of timing as place. And arguments that we should someone try to stop the world's development are ludicrous on so many levels...

Isn't it sad how people always will call you a racist...? I give you :thumbsup for posting such a thread and keeping it clean...
It is totally taboo?

I?m from Denmark and I love my culture, and my history ( and it?s not flawless I know )
I wouldn?t want to see that go away? If I was to like another culture better, I could simply move to whatever country or part of the world where that culture is practice?
That is what makes a continent like Europe so special? so many cultures in so little space, BUT it?s kept apart ? which I like?
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Wow that was deep... :2 cents:

Good thread all around. We need some intellectual honesty around here from time to time.

Uhmmmm.... I'll sleep with my butt against the wall, thanks.:1orglaugh :thumbsup

South park reference guess you missed that one.

Oh please. :1orglaugh My bullshit detector just about exploded when I read this one.

No kidding, I think the guy just as better go piss on his Grandfathers grave. People faught for the nation you have, yet ignorant, out of touch fools are so eager to give it away to the hordes of muslims and the like. This is not about hating or killing other peoples, this is about preserving the identity and culture with which you have been surronded your whole life. People believe that this is insignificance, but shall the hordes continue to grow and the seemingly inevitable happen (i.e. they become the majority) we shall see how insignifcant it is. Look at the bigger picture people.

Proud to be Irish. Don't give a shit what anyone thinks of me for feeling like that.

It's amazing how obsessed people are with race, there is only one human race, sientifically speaking. With dogs a Great-Dane and a Chihuahua are different races with in the species. With humans the DNA never reaches over 5% (give or take fractions) difference between people no matter where they're from or what colour they are. This is not nearly enough to classify as a different race.

Cultural differences do of course exist, but this bullshit about other cultures taking over the western world is simply just stupid.
Go to places like London, there you will find 5-6 generation "immigrants" (clearly not immigrants anymore), and see if they are not adjusted to society, I can guarantee that they're great grandparents were not as well adjusted.

It takes time for everyone to adjust, and it doesn't heppen in a matter of years, but decades. And like everything else, things always work out in the end (at least that is my philosophy)

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EU Constitution says

The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, liberty, democracy, equality, the rule of law and respect for human rights."

He is right, there are 150 million of non white Europeans.

Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Malta, Cyprus.

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Liberty, democracy? Yeah right. It works well so long as you are saying things they like.