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brizzad · 08-05-2004, 11:08 PM

50 wrong doers

Black Dog · 08-05-2004, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i agree with not supporting people that don't have 2257 - and MANY TGPs don't, but my site has the same or better 2257 as most paysites and other advertising sites like sex.com

Frankly I don't see why 2257 compliance should have anything to do with it either. A 2257 notice is no guarantee that a site does not contain child porn. And does obeying an arbitrary American law make you a better webmaster?

I thought ASACP was formed to enable the adult webmaster community to regulate itself. Making 2257 compliance a requirement for membership merely passes that buck right into the hands of the US government.

B

SleazyDream · 08-05-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Black Dog
Frankly I don't see why 2257 compliance should have anything to do with it either. A 2257 notice is no guarantee that a site does not contain child porn. And does obeying an arbitrary American law make you a better webmaster?

I thought ASACP was formed to enable the adult webmaster community to regulate itself. Making 2257 compliance a requirement for membership merely passes that buck right into the hands of the US government.

B

a 2257 notice isn't a guarentee but at least it says model IDs and contracts exist. all respectible sites follow these guidelines at a min

Black Dog · 08-06-2004, 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
a 2257 notice isn't a guarentee but at least it says model IDs and contracts exist. all respectible sites follow these guidelines at a min

I hear you but all I'm saying is that anybody can put a bogus 2257 notice on their website. It's existence proves nothing. And only respectible AMERICAN sites need to follow these guidelines. The problem with using 2257 as an ASACP membership requirement is:
a) anybody can fake a 2257 notice
b) it forces non-American webmasters to obey a foreign law

I think a better condition to ASACP membership would be a pledge to not promote "lolita" and other borderline content (not to mention the illegal stuff), or use certain keywords, that is diligently enforced by ASACP and its members.

B

wdsguy · 08-06-2004, 01:53 AM

I would cept I ain't gonna be there :-(

SleazyDream · 08-06-2004, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by Black Dog
I hear you but all I'm saying is that anybody can put a bogus 2257 notice on their website. It's existence proves nothing. And only respectible AMERICAN sites need to follow these guidelines. The problem with using 2257 as an ASACP membership requirement is:
a) anybody can fake a 2257 notice
b) it forces non-American webmasters to obey a foreign law

I think a better condition to ASACP membership would be a pledge to not promote "lolita" and other borderline content (not to mention the illegal stuff), or use certain keywords, that is diligently enforced by ASACP and its members.

B

ok, i can accept that. that being said, why exclude a site like sleazydream then if I'm capable of total compliance to those terms and accept another advertising site like sex.com?

Eric · 08-06-2004, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
joan doesn't love me - joan doesn't care.

had she asked i would have donated my time.

but i've offered money too and they didn't want that either.... TGP is just bad i guess.

No no Sleazy... Finger good... Tongue Better... DILDO BAAAAADDDD... Not TGP!

Jman · 08-06-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
now i'm not saying the asacp is a bad thing, i agree with what they are trying to do and I link to them on my site and have even tried to give them money but was told i couldn't cause i was a TGP- and have been told by them that I'm one of their largest traffic senders, but i'm curious - why does a tgp like 'mine' (and that's the key there as my TGP is unlike many others out there) where i have 2257 on all my own images and i have advertising agreements backed by financial commitment agreeing to the existance of 2257 on all my advertisers not get accepted by the asacp and sites like sex.com that operate in a very similar fashon with their advertisers do? As well as all the paysites that belong to the asacp that have plug in feeds and upselling within their sites..... How is that any different than my situation?

I'm very curious as to the answer to that.

I agree with Sleazy, is this a matter of who knows who and all or to they have a valid point bout nor accepting Sleazydream money.

I heard they told Sleazy he could donate anonymously... Now that is a joke. Whom would want to donate a substantial amount of money without getting noticed ???

Hopefully we can get an expplanation in this thread. I support ASACP 150% but am very curious on why do they reject someone as involved in our industry as Sleazy ???

Yo Adrian · 08-06-2004, 11:30 AM

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Originally posted by Aly-Python

Adrian (Silvercash)

I hear this guy is a STUD!!

Black Dog · 08-06-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
ok, i can accept that. that being said, why exclude a site like sleazydream then if I'm capable of total compliance to those terms and accept another advertising site like sex.com?

That is a good question. Joan?

B

TDF · 08-06-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
ok, i can accept that. that being said, why exclude a site like sleazydream then if I'm capable of total compliance to those terms and accept another advertising site like sex.com?

good question

Zoe_Zoebaboe · 08-06-2004, 01:17 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i agree with not supporting people that don't have 2257 - and MANY TGPs don't, but my site has the same or better 2257 as most paysites and other advertising sites like sex.com

I'd like to know why sex.com is accepted and sleazydream isn't

Huh. That's messed up. I understand double standards on somethings...but why with this? Doesn't make any sense

chAos · 08-06-2004, 01:18 PM

alright ... dealing with as much content as i do .. 2257 is a law that was to verufy that the girl was over the age of 18 at the time of the performance.

with that being said ...

I can buy keywords from sex.com and redirect the traffic to an illegal site for a long time before i am caught ... although on most TGP's especially Sleazy it is not allowed and is kicked off the site in a matter of min... if it even makes it .. i think that guys like shemp and sleazy have made grave efforts to live within the standards of the internet and should not be disallowed to join a coalition that is made of of people that want to stop illegal acitivities....

working together and allowing them into something that is important like this would further help all of the community and maybe give asacp some insite to the TGP world...

now i am getting off my soapbox later....

webgurl · 08-06-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Yo Adrian
I hear this guy is a STUD!!

stud muffin that is

speakthetruth · 08-06-2004, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i agree with not supporting people that don't have 2257 - and MANY TGPs don't, but my site has the same or better 2257 as most paysites and other advertising sites like sex.com

I'd like to know why sex.com is accepted and sleazydream isn't

Gary has more $ than you. You have to brag about your new amex card. Gary has real $ not kids $. Maybe you had $ before your wife left you high and dry.

Evil Chris · 08-06-2004, 01:21 PM

pass the popcorn

speakthetruth · 08-06-2004, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by JMan
I agree with Sleazy, is this a matter of who knows who and all or to they have a valid point bout nor accepting Sleazydream money.

I heard they told Sleazy he could donate anonymously... Now that is a joke. Whom would want to donate a substantial amount of money without getting noticed ???

Hopefully we can get an expplanation in this thread. I support ASACP 150% but am very curious on why do they reject someone as involved in our industry as Sleazy ???

Truth is that they do not accept amex and that is all he has.

4Pics · 08-06-2004, 01:23 PM

Doesn't make any sense to me why they'd exclude you Sleazy and not Sex.com

maybe sex.com helps them?

If i were you'd i'd pull any links to them.

chAos · 08-06-2004, 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by 4Pics
Doesn't make any sense to me why they'd exclude you Sleazy and not Sex.com

maybe sex.com helps them?

If i were you'd i'd pull any links to them.

youa re not understanding the fact that this is not a "hey let's drop them thing" this is a we need to educate them. TGP's are different than most sites... and the fact is that there is no understanding on what or how to treat them in respects to some of the laws that govern us. so if we actually take some time to get some education then we might all benefit

JFK · 08-06-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by JMan
I agree with Sleazy, is this a matter of who knows who and all or to they have a valid point bout nor accepting Sleazydream money.

I heard they told Sleazy he could donate anonymously... Now that is a joke. Whom would want to donate a substantial amount of money without getting noticed ???

Hopefully we can get an expplanation in this thread. I support ASACP 150% but am very curious on why do they reject someone as involved in our industry as Sleazy ???

baddog · 08-06-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Yo Adrian
I hear this guy is a STUD!!

That's what the guys at Cybersocket all say

born · 08-06-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i agree with not supporting people that don't have 2257 - and MANY TGPs don't, but my site has the same or better 2257 as most paysites and other advertising sites like sex.com

I'd like to know why sex.com is accepted and sleazydream isn't

Sleazy,

I agree with you..... It makes no sense to me too.

Jman - I think you hit it on the head by saying it is probably a who knows who.....

Born

Rick Latona · 08-06-2004, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JMan
I agree with Sleazy, is this a matter of who knows who and all or to they have a valid point bout nor accepting Sleazydream money.

I heard they told Sleazy he could donate anonymously... Now that is a joke. Whom would want to donate a substantial amount of money without getting noticed ???

Hopefully we can get an expplanation in this thread. I support ASACP 150% but am very curious on why do they reject someone as involved in our industry as Sleazy ???

That was my point a few weeks ago. I wanted to give them lolittas.com and all I wanted was a receipt or some sort of credit. I support their cause, etc. All I got was bitched at for being oportunistic. God forbid I'd like to help a causee and get something in return.

Rick Latona · 08-06-2004, 01:53 PM

Come to think of it, they might have turned me down because of CJ and the same TGP ruling they gave Sleazy. Heck, I don't know what their rules are but if they are Adult Sites against Child Pornography, they should tell the Adult Sites what the rules are.

SleazyDream · 08-06-2004, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
Come to think of it, they might have turned me down because of CJ and the same TGP ruling they gave Sleazy. Heck, I don't know what their rules are but if they are Adult Sites against Child Pornography, they should tell the Adult Sites what the rules are.

no kidding - i wasn't pissed at being turned down till i realized that they accepted sex.com.

what the fuck is the difference between sex.com and a site like sleazydream or cj?

Rick Latona · 08-06-2004, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
no kidding - i wasn't pissed at being turned down till i realized that they accepted sex.com.

what the fuck is the difference between sex.com and a site like sleazydream or cj?

I believe Sex.com was a founding member and Gary is on their board.

SleazyDream · 08-06-2004, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
I believe Sex.com was a founding member and Gary is on their board.

Jman · 08-06-2004, 02:40 PM

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Originally posted by Rick Latona
I believe Sex.com was a founding member and Gary is on their board.

So it's a who knows/is who type of deal ???

baddog · 08-06-2004, 05:39 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

what the fuck is the difference between sex.com and a site like sleazydream or cj?

okay, now you know I support you in your quest to be allowed to be an acknowledged sponsor of ASACP, but please, did you stop and think before you hit submit on that question?

NichePay_Manny · 08-06-2004, 05:43 PM

SleazyDream · 08-06-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
okay, now you know I support you in your quest to be allowed to be an acknowledged sponsor of ASACP, but please, did you stop and think before you hit submit on that question?

well it seems after the icqs i've gotten today i'm not the only one excluded..... i would think a professional organization like the asacp would at least grant me an attempt at an answer to this question - i thought it was a reasonable one - maybe i'm wrong????

baddog · 08-07-2004, 01:40 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
well it seems after the icqs i've gotten today i'm not the only one excluded..... i would think a professional organization like the asacp would at least grant me an attempt at an answer to this question - i thought it was a reasonable one - maybe i'm wrong????

I agree that ASACP should answer the question, and I am quite surprised that no one has seen fit to do so . . . however, comparing CJ to sex.com, or even comparing you to either of them seems like comparing apples, to oranges, to walnuts.

2HousePlague · 08-07-2004, 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by JFK

Yeah, that's an important question to resolve.

I mean, here WE all are standing together, in support of progressive change in the industry and sensible legislation. But some of us are being discrminated against for our BUSINESS MODELS.

Sleazy is simply the warmest, most giving person I have ever met. Second only to my mom. It hurts me that he should ever be made to feel ashamed of what he does.

j-

maxjohan · 08-07-2004, 02:20 AM

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Originally posted by Black Dog
Seems to me that if ASACP wants to represent the adult industry, that should include the TGPs.

B

Isnt it better that the big boys take care of this. Atleast I think so... program owners and big wealth Gary is fine.

It's not hard to figure it out.

Elite only.

TGP?

pornstar2pac · 08-07-2004, 03:02 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
well it seems after the icqs i've gotten today i'm not the only one excluded..... i would think a professional organization like the asacp would at least grant me an attempt at an answer to this question - i thought it was a reasonable one - maybe i'm wrong????

this all could be a april's fools joke on you.

realed · 08-07-2004, 06:58 AM

Sleazy is one of the biggest players in this industry and contributes a lot to the overall community... I can't understand

(a) why they wouldn't want his donation

(b) why is is taking ASCAP so long to give him a serious answer to his question....

This just seems bad to me.... hopefully we will get an answer soon...

Terry
www.projectvoyeur.com

SleazyDream · 08-07-2004, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
I agree that ASACP should answer the question, and I am quite surprised that no one has seen fit to do so . . . however, comparing CJ to sex.com, or even comparing you to either of them seems like comparing apples, to oranges, to walnuts.

since the asacp doesn't think it's neceassary to explain this, maybe you can.

revenue aside, what's the difference between a site like sex.com and sleazydream when it comes to dealing with advertisers and 2257 compliance in how our sites operate?

SleazyDream · 08-07-2004, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by realed
Sleazy is one of the biggest players in this industry and contributes a lot to the overall community... I can't understand

(a) why they wouldn't want his donation

(b) why is is taking ASCAP so long to give him a serious answer to his question....

This just seems bad to me.... hopefully we will get an answer soon...

Terry
www.projectvoyeur.com

thanks terry - but i'm FULLY aware that i'm a small fish in a BIG pond.

eddiek · 08-07-2004, 02:38 PM

Hey Aly

I spoke to Gracie on Friday and I am going to help- out on Saturday afternoon!

Look foward to seeing ya there

baddog · 08-07-2004, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
since the asacp doesn't think it's neceassary to explain this, maybe you can.

revenue aside, what's the difference between a site like sex.com and sleazydream when it comes to dealing with advertisers and 2257 compliance in how our sites operate?

First off, I think you totally misinterpreted what I was saying, and I am not about to try and make excuses for ASACP, primarily because it is not my place, and secondly because I do not know why they refuse your money.

However, the differences between a TGP and a SE should not be that difficult to see.

Comparing either to CJ was really stretching it IMHO

onlymovies · 08-07-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
ok, i can accept that. that being said, why exclude a site like sleazydream then if I'm capable of total compliance to those terms and accept another advertising site like sex.com?

Bump for this very good question.
I would have thought an answer would have been given by now.

So it says,
"ASACP is the organization that helps the adult site industry make a difference in the battle against child pornography"

I can't say I understand fully on what their reason would be. But from their slogan above, I would think ANY adult site, given that they had proper compliance, is more then welcome to donate and support the cause. But why a site would be turned down if the site met the rules and proper compliance, make no sense.

Sounds like politics to me.

I'm very curious to hear the answer to this question.

tony286 · 08-07-2004, 04:08 PM

Isnt that group also for the .xxx fiasco?

Chris · 08-07-2004, 06:26 PM

I ran into the same problem but it wasnt with the TGP issue
It was because I ran a pill program. No other reason other than that My affilate program is a pill program.

I guess the money has to come from PORN to be used with them

Still a good cause but i think something needs to be re thinked
turning down good money

SleazyDream · 08-07-2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
First off, I think you totally misinterpreted what I was saying, and I am not about to try and make excuses for ASACP, primarily because it is not my place, and secondly because I do not know why they refuse your money.

However, the differences between a TGP and a SE should not be that difficult to see.

Comparing either to CJ was really stretching it IMHO

i would like to know the difference from a 2257 standpoint between a SE an TGP

WiredGuy · 08-07-2004, 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
i would like to know the difference from a 2257 standpoint between a SE an TGP

I agree. I don't have a single 2257 nor any links to them. I simply link to paysites much in the same way that a TGP would so why would a SE like sex.com be treated any differently than a TGP?

WG

SleazyDream · 08-07-2004, 09:55 PM

I'm going to be VERY clear here.

I told the asacp (joan) that i'm not able to controll what other people have on their sites that I link to, but before i link to them I have a contract that states they are 2257 compliant backed by financial commitment on their part. I assumed all their members were paysites and controlled all their own content. Under that assumption i was ok with not being a member - but learning sex.com was a member I realized that they are in a VERY similar position as I am (a site that links to other sites that pay them for the links)- yet they are a member and I can't be. I don't understand that and would like an explaination on it - as I still havn't got one yet.

Jman · 08-07-2004, 11:03 PM

I went cow tossing tonight..... BUMP

WiredGuy · 08-07-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally posted by JMan
I went cow tossing tonight..... BUMP

Did the cow cooperate?
WG

SteveLightspeed · 08-07-2004, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by JMan
I went cow tossing tonight..... BUMP

I hear that the cows there are easier to toss, wanna get in a 6 page discussion about it? ;)

Steve Lightspeed

Black Dog · 08-08-2004, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by speakthetruth
Gary has more $ than you. You have to brag about your new amex card. Gary has real $ not kids $. Maybe you had $ before your wife left you high and dry.

hater

08-06-2004, 01:18 PM	#63
chAos Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: hell Posts: 1,348	alright ... dealing with as much content as i do .. 2257 is a law that was to verufy that the girl was over the age of 18 at the time of the performance. with that being said ... I can buy keywords from sex.com and redirect the traffic to an illegal site for a long time before i am caught ... although on most TGP's especially Sleazy it is not allowed and is kicked off the site in a matter of min... if it even makes it .. i think that guys like shemp and sleazy have made grave efforts to live within the standards of the internet and should not be disallowed to join a coalition that is made of of people that want to stop illegal acitivities.... working together and allowing them into something that is important like this would further help all of the community and maybe give asacp some insite to the TGP world... now i am getting off my soapbox later.... __________________ chAos Email Solutions - Traffic - Domains email: [email protected] skype: marketingguruchaos icq: 101955210 Last edited by chAos; 08-06-2004 at 01:22 PM..

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08-06-2004, 01:53 PM	#74
Rick Latona The Best Ideas Start Here Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,037	Come to think of it, they might have turned me down because of CJ and the same TGP ruling they gave Sleazy. Heck, I don't know what their rules are but if they are Adult Sites against Child Pornography, they should tell the Adult Sites what the rules are. __________________ Regards, Rick Latona http://latonas.com Latona's - We Sell Money Making Web Properties Note to buyers of websites and traffic: please check our inventory at http://latonas.com/websites-for-sale. If you would like to make an offer on something, just let me know.

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08-07-2004, 06:26 PM	#93
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	I ran into the same problem but it wasnt with the TGP issue It was because I ran a pill program. No other reason other than that My affilate program is a pill program. I guess the money has to come from PORN to be used with them Still a good cause but i think something needs to be re thinked turning down good money __________________ [email protected]

08-05-2004, 11:08 PM	#51
brizzad holla Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: KFC Posts: 11,769	50 wrong doers

08-06-2004, 01:53 AM	#55
wdsguy Ryde or Die Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California-Shanghai Posts: 19,568	I would cept I ain't gonna be there :-(

08-06-2004, 01:23 PM	#68
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	Doesn't make any sense to me why they'd exclude you Sleazy and not Sex.com maybe sex.com helps them? If i were you'd i'd pull any links to them.

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08-07-2004, 06:58 AM	#86
realed Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: worldwide Posts: 834	Sleazy is one of the biggest players in this industry and contributes a lot to the overall community... I can't understand (a) why they wouldn't want his donation (b) why is is taking ASCAP so long to give him a serious answer to his question.... This just seems bad to me.... hopefully we will get an answer soon... Terry www.projectvoyeur.com

08-07-2004, 04:08 PM	#92
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Isnt that group also for the .xxx fiasco?

08-07-2004, 09:55 PM	#96
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	I'm going to be VERY clear here. I told the asacp (joan) that i'm not able to controll what other people have on their sites that I link to, but before i link to them I have a contract that states they are 2257 compliant backed by financial commitment on their part. I assumed all their members were paysites and controlled all their own content. Under that assumption i was ok with not being a member - but learning sex.com was a member I realized that they are in a VERY similar position as I am (a site that links to other sites that pay them for the links)- yet they are a member and I can't be. I don't understand that and would like an explaination on it - as I still havn't got one yet. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

08-07-2004, 11:03 PM	#97
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