that's double jeopardy, nobody will ever convince me otherwise. We set a bad precedent with OJ. Now if the po po can't get you in state criminal, they'll go after you in federal criminal court. If they can't get you in either one of those, they'll go after you in state civil court. It's a never ending fucking cycle once they decide they want you, your life is fucked if you don't have several million to spend on Johnny Cochran.
This chick already took 20k from a victim's compensation fund. This rape accusation has never smelled right to me.
Originally posted by PussyMan Because of that stupid slut, real rape victims went backward
I've been certainly put off by some of the activists on TV using this case as their cause de'jour (and air-time). I think they set things back a little too
Ugh ? Don't calif laws STATE that you cannot retract it ??? I don't think this is retractable
Originally posted by rayadp05
I rebooted, deleted temp files, history, cookies and everything...still cannot view the news clip. All I see is that fucking gay ass music video from "Rick Roll". Anyone else have a different link to the news clip?
Originally posted by dig420 that's double jeopardy
Double jeopardy means that once a criminal case is dropped or a person is acquitted they can't be charged again criminally, it is entirely separate from civil courts. Many, many people file civil suits on someone whether or not they were charged criminally and regardless of whether they were found guilty or innocent in any criminal proceedings.
Originally posted by PussyMan Because of that stupid slut, real rape victims went backward
I agree to a point, but the rape shield laws are very biased and therefore, dangerous.
There was talk yesterday of bringing in another woman who would testify that Kobe was agressive towards her.
Fine, I have NO problem with that IF it shows a pattern and is relevant.
But the rape shield laws prevented (prior to this case) the defense from bringing up things that may have shows that SHE was someone with a history of lying or serious mental problems. Her past mental problems MAY BE relevant as well.
There needs to be a balance and this case may have helped.
Unfortunately, you're right in that alot of REAL rape victims (I'm not saying she WASN'T a real rape victim, I haven't heard any real evidence), won't come forward as easily as before.
Also, in rape cases, the laws are usually so slanted towards the prosecution that it's more a case of the defendent having to prove HIS innocence. That's not the way the legal system is supposed to work.
Also, in rape cases, the laws are usually so slanted towards the prosecution that it's more a case of the defendent having to prove HIS innocence. That's not the way the legal system is supposed to work.
Dont forget court clerks handing out the transcripts of the trial so far.
how can a court clerk be bought off and no one says a damn thing?
this type of shit pisses me off.
some court clerk releases her full sexual/medical history, complete name address etc... this is protecting?
shield laws?
bullshit.
court clerks are not even named after selling documents.
Now there is a possibility of a case being dismissed "without prejudice". If that happens then there is the possibiliy of reopening criminal charges if compelling new evidence is uncovered. It's an uphill battle for a prosecutor to get that and if they do uncover "compelling new evidence" they will have to convince a judge that it is strong enough to reopen the case, again, very uphill.
Originally posted by mardigras Now there is a possibility of a case being dismissed "without prejudice". If that happens then there is the possibiliy of reopening criminal charges if compelling new evidence is uncovered. It's an uphill battle for a prosecutor to get that and if they do uncover "compelling new evidence" they will have to get a convince a judge that it is strong enough to reopen the case, again, very uphill.
as I said, Jayson Williams kill a limo driver in front of 10 people, goes to trial for wreckless manslaughter, gets off, innocent.
basketball players never go to jail.
only rappers (mystikal) and boxers (tyson) can go to jail for rape.
i still dont know why people arent going after this court clerk who jeopardized the entire case
Can you imagine the pain if you were anally raped by a guy the size of Bryant? Now, with that in mind, that same person who got her ass torn up is going to have sex with a couple of other guys and will not even bother to change her panties
I don't call her a rape victim, I call her a Slut !
PS: I don't give a rat's ass about basketball or the lakers or the heat
Originally posted by ronaldo
Whether they are found guilty or INNOCENT, they will FOREVER be associated with it and they will never convince everyone that they didn't do it.
Maybe the married father should keep his dick in his pants and he wouldnt have been involved?
rich people should KNOW they are a target.
I dont feel sorry for the honorless.
Im fromt the south, in NOLA there is MANDATORY LIFE for rape.
Originally posted by Fletch XXX in case you people forgot, this is a war AGAINST this victim.
how does a curt clerk ACCIDENTALLY release all her private info to the news??
This girl has death threats, and is now being moved around yet again because some news reporter paid off a court clerk.
if you think this is justice you are silly.
kobe is huilty as jayson williams was killing that limo driver.
you people just love basketball and these rapists so much you cant see it.
you all still love Tyson and he already been proven to be a rapist.
hope all your mothers and sisters are raped by biig black men.
I would like to humbly show the flip side to this scenario...maybe someone involved was witnessing someone (Kobe) being railroaded by an obvious liar and overzealous prosecutor. There are only 2 people who really know what happened and neither will be 100% honest.
Remember...3 sides top every event...your view, my view and the truth
Originally posted by mardigras Double jeopardy means that once a criminal case is dropped or a person is acquitted they can't be charged again criminally, it is entirely separate from civil courts. Many, many people file civil suits on someone whether or not they were charged criminally and regardless of whether they were found guilty or innocent in any criminal proceedings.
double jeopardy is INTENDED to mean that once you've been tried for a crime in ANY court, that's it. Over. Done with. Now they can hound you and hound you until you die.
Fletch, that bitch went to Tyson's room in the early morning hours, took off her panty shield in his bathroom and left it on the counter for him to see, PLUS she had already made false rape accusations before against other dudes. Totally unfair that this wasn't allowed to be brought up in court as I can't think of ANYTHING more relevant to credibility in a rape trial.
Originally posted by cherrylula Maybe she just wants her privacy back and to get on with her life.
Kobe fucked up and made the Lakers lose and Shaq leave.
No doubt he will rape again.
cherrylula,
you have to understand something from an athletes point of view - there are many women out there who definately cry foul on this - it is well documented. I remember being recruited out of highschool for football and the coaches warning you not to sleep around - because of girls like this. There has been cases of girls waiting unitl an athlete gets drafted and then crying rape. It's ridiculous. I have friend who play professional football now - and I have been in their locker rooms after a game - girls are just waiting outside. Why would you need to rape a girl when there are groupies waiting for you. This is small time Canadian Football League - I can just imagine the groupies at an NBA level - if you ask me this whole case smells like bullshit
Originally posted by dig420 double jeopardy is INTENDED to mean that once you've been tried for a crime in ANY court, that's it. Over. Done with. Now they can hound you and hound you until you die.
Fletch, that bitch went to Tyson's room in the early morning hours, took off her panty shield in his bathroom and left it on the counter for him to see, PLUS she had already made false rape accusations before against other dudes. Totally unfair that this wasn't allowed to be brought up in court as I can't think of ANYTHING more relevant to credibility in a rape trial.
you have to understand something from an athletes point of view - there are many women out there who definately cry foul on this - it is well documented. I remember being recruited out of highschool for football and the coaches warning you not to sleep around - because of girls like this. There has been cases of girls waiting unitl an athlete gets drafted and then crying rape. It's ridiculous. I have friend who play professional football now - and I have been in their locker rooms after a game - girls are just waiting outside. Why would you need to rape a girl when there are groupies waiting for you. This is small time Canadian Football League - I can just imagine the groupies at an NBA level - if you ask me this whole case smells like bullshit
I wish all rapists would film it like Mystikal!
do you guys deny mystikal is a rapists or is he innocent too?
hahaha
this reminds me of the south park with condits and OJ.
you have to understand something from an athletes point of view - there are many women out there who definately cry foul on this - it is well documented. I remember being recruited out of highschool for football and the coaches warning you not to sleep around - because of girls like this. There has been cases of girls waiting unitl an athlete gets drafted and then crying rape. It's ridiculous. I have friend who play professional football now - and I have been in their locker rooms after a game - girls are just waiting outside. Why would you need to rape a girl when there are groupies waiting for you. This is small time Canadian Football League - I can just imagine the groupies at an NBA level - if you ask me this whole case smells like bullshit
I can't recall if it's the NFL or the NBA...but one of them (or both) has a MANDATROY seminar for rookies regarding just this...women who will sleep with them in an effort to get knocked up so they are set for life
i still dont know why people arent going after this court clerk who jeopardized the entire case
i agree, District Judge Terry Ruckriegle should be sanctioned by the US court after releasing 200 pages of transcripts from a closed-door hearing in June, and was also mistakenly sent to
Associated Press and other media organizations. What a dumb-ass...
The documents include testimony from a DNA expert for the defense, Elizabeth Johnson, who says she is convinced the woman had sex with someone after Bryant and before she contacted authorities.
This mistake alone has caused the sudden turn-around on the victims fate.
Originally posted by dig420 what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Two white bitches crying rape for cash does not equal innocence for Willie Horton. You're smarter than that.
let me rephrase, all black celebrities on trial are innocent.
Originally posted by ronaldo I agree to a point, but the rape shield laws are very biased and therefore, dangerous.
There was talk yesterday of bringing in another woman who would testify that Kobe was agressive towards her.
Fine, I have NO problem with that IF it shows a pattern and is relevant.
But the rape shield laws prevented (prior to this case) the defense from bringing up things that may have shows that SHE was someone with a history of lying or serious mental problems. Her past mental problems MAY BE relevant as well.
There needs to be a balance and this case may have helped.
Unfortunately, you're right in that alot of REAL rape victims (I'm not saying she WASN'T a real rape victim, I haven't heard any real evidence), won't come forward as easily as before.
Also, in rape cases, the laws are usually so slanted towards the prosecution that it's more a case of the defendent having to prove HIS innocence. That's not the way the legal system is supposed to work.
Great post.
I seriously to not understand why people do not get this concept.
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Originally posted by Fletch XXX Maybe the married father should keep his dick in his pants and he wouldnt have been involved?
rich people should KNOW they are a target.
I dont feel sorry for the honorless.
Im fromt the south, in NOLA there is MANDATORY LIFE for rape.
id hang him if he was guilty.
oldschool, let the fuck swing.
Dude, IF he's guilty, then I agree 100%.
I'm not just talking about the rich and famous. Again, I do agree they're under much more scrutiny.
Imagine that it's your father, or your brother or your son though. Not someone rich and in the public eye. The same rape shield laws apply. Any woman or man for that matter can accuse anyone of rape and they're name SHOULD never be released. The accused on the other hand will be in the public eye, not of his own volition, even if he's innocent.
My point is it's no different than someone coming on GFY and talking trash about someone or someone's business. They can do it under an alias and YOU are then required to defend yourself, even if YOU'VE done nothing wrong.
Originally posted by dig420 yep, the way rape cases are set up now you're guilty until proven innocent. Any mentally unbalanced bitch can ruin your life with one phone call.
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