The quote fromthe regts that you keeprefering to doesnt state that an employee can keep the records, it states that the producer in either his role controling this information or his role as an employee is responsible. Also I believe that the Custodian of Records MUST BE an owner of the company.

If you can show elsewhere where I am wrong, please correct me.

If you read 75.4 it sounds like you are right, but if you continue to 75.6 then you can see the loophole.

Sec. 75.4 Location of records.

Any producer required by this part to maintain records shall make
such records available at the producer's place of business. Each record shall be maintained for seven years from the date of creation or last amendment or addition. If the producer ceases to carry on the business, the records shall be maintained for five years thereafter. If the producer produces the book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other matter (including but not limited to Internet computer site or services) as part of his control of or through his employment with an organization, records shall be made available at the organization's place of business. If the organization is dissolved, the individual who was responsible for maintaining the records on behalf of the organization, as described in Sec. 75.6(b), shall continue to maintain the records
for a period of five years after dissolution.


Sec. 75.6 Statement describing location of books and records.

part 3 secion c:

If the producer is an organization, the statement shall also
contain the name, title, and business address of the individual
employed by such organization who is responsible for maintaining the records required by this part.


So, by the statement of "If the producer is an organization" they seem to be saying that the organization may employ someone strictly to keep the records.

75.4 and 75.6 do seem to be conradictory. But so do many parts of this whole mess as did the original 2257.

After going through all the million 2257 threads, reading the many mispresentations and misunderstandings on 2257, and doing alot of talking with legal folk, I have compiled a summary that touches upon a number of issues.

You can read the 2257 summary at:
http://www.2257lookup.com/2257Summary.html


Hope it helps,
brandon



ps. keepmyrecords.com is not a competitor to 2257lookup and serves a different niche

That site has no content on it so I have no reason for a Custodian of Records, however I already am carrying the tag on all my sites I have put up recently.

Address, location and phone number are listed on the site already including two landmarks so they do not even have to look for the street number.

Tony

I think that with some of the new proposals that they have, there is going to be some major conflicts with the old laws.

I also believe that this is being done for a reason.

It will make it much easier for the feds to make some arrests and put a few people into jail. The you will see small companies bailing out of the adult business very fast.


:2 cents:



PG

Don't try to feed me this bullshit. You have been spouting off about the new 2257 regs for a few weeks now and there were plenty of instances where you came across like you were speaking "facts" and freaking people out about record keeping...and this isn't even law yet, not to mention how misguided it now seems you were all along.

Of course I am pissed about you deciding you are the judge and jury on what qualifies as a bbw and trying to hurt my business saying my bbw content doesn't meet your qualifications. Maybe your "opinion" is bang on or maybe you are a lunatic who only sees super size bbws as true bbws, but regardless, you never said it was your "opinion", you made a statement as if it was "fact" like you are a know-it-all, just like you have been doing for weeks on 2257. If I was vengeful, I never would have mentioned this incident with my content store, but thought it just supported a theme when it came to your "opinions" and how you present them on GFY .

Good discussion here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...adid=336306&s=

I would imagine every attorney would have a different opinion here. Our attorney states that we must list a custodian of records, and that it need not be at our physical business address. In our case, we list our attorney as our record keeper and he has all of our records.

This site was posted on GFY a few days ago and I looked them over. They are records storage company, not a law firm. They store your records, but I don't read anything about them making sure you are legal in regards to 2257 laws.

Couple quick things, in regards to Looking at if a client is legal we will be reviewing their records but we are not attorney's that is true if you were referring to Keep My Records.

I also have installed Live Chat on the site for those that would like to talk to us without calling.

Look forward to talk to lots of you soon.

i am done chatting about the 2257 shit in GFY, cause I will have my own lawyer, and those that don't can suck my nuts....

but dude, your bbw is just heavier girls, IT AIN'T BBW BY ANY MEANS....just cause a girl has some big tits and flabby thighs, doesn't mean she is BBW...ROFL

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I see this another way...which is why this law needs to be clear. The way I see it is:

Joe Black the Photographer. Joe is the photographer, he does it all himself...basically a one man show..he is responsible for all of the records.

Black Photography: It is a business with several employees. The owner of the company (organization) decides that Bill Bland will take care of the 2257 documentation. So on the sites it would say "Black Photography, Custodian of Records Bill Bland" etc. It would also list the company address, which would be the address of Black Photography.

I am not sure where people are getting the "you can hire an organization to keep the records"

This is a quote from another post:
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Sec. 75.6 Statement describing location of books and records.

part 3 secion c:

If the producer is an organization, the statement shall also
contain the name, title, and business address of the individual
employed by such organization who is responsible for maintaining the records required by this part.


So, by the statement of "If the producer is an organization" they seem to be saying that the organization may employ someone strictly to keep the records.

75.4 and 75.6 do seem to be conradictory. But so do many parts of this whole mess as did the original 2257.

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Now they seem to think that the producer can HIRE an organization...but read it....it says if the producer IS an organization...then they must list the name and title of the person that works for the producers organization that is responsible for maintaining the records.

Just wondering what happend with this site it looks like it's down?:warning

I think we have something better. Coming soon. :thumbsup

Do you want to share.

Just wondeing what happend with them? Someone must know....

Well first off someone cant keep your records for you and secondly imagine if you gave them your records to hold and now they are gone.

finally someone understands this.

the DOJ is trying to make a simple clerical error into a felonious event, so it can put the cuffs on that real person, charge them, and take them away in an unmarked government Ford.

most of you guys fail to get this.

of course, in no other scenario in american history has a simple mistaken clerical error ever been a felonious event, so i am very interested in what the courts will do with this on appeal.

keepmyrecords.com is down...???

ADG Webmaster

What a great idea, let me just summarise this.

You get the records with the content and check them properly. You then send them to this guy, whose site is not working, because you have visited his location, checked his record keeping, seen he has the right types of filing systems, back ups and computer records to help if the police ask to see the documents.

You then go to sleep happy and confident that in the event of the police turning up at your home or place of business this guy will be able to produce the goods.

Should this happen the police might ask you to site in a cell while they ask the local police to wesubmit to pop over there and see if the records are there. Then they will need to send them back to your district, should be all done in a day or two.

But no fears you will not be lonely in the cell, I'm sure there will be lot's of nice people you can talk to about what you do for a living.

Can I have some of the stuff you are smoking, it has to be real strong. :disgust

OK I'm not going to mince my words here and will be blunt, because there's a lot of morons in this thread.

2257 WAS THE BEST THING TO HAPPEN TO THE PORN BUSINESS Not for those that shot/fucked Traci lords, but for the rest of us.

It means we can demand two legal IDs from a model or a supplier, we just say "It's the law"

It allows us to check if the models were over 18 at the time of the shoot, it allows us to see if the name used on the model release is the name on the IDs, it allows us to check the signature on the ID against the signature on the model release.

This means we know we're legal.

2257 was from day one a fuck up as a law, it was writen by fools in response to Traci Lords doing porn under age. She had one forged ID. So the ass clowns who wrote the law said one ID was good enough.

Why you need the documents close to hand.

As one of the very few people on this board who has had a visit by the police let me tell you the truth and what actually happens.

They turn up around 5.00 in the morning, if you sleep odd hours they will try to turn up before you wake up normally, they want you off guard. They will have a reason to turn up, it may be bullshit but they do not have time to waste, maybe a neighbor/competitor reported you for under age porn or you found yourself on a site they are investigating for under age porn. They will have a search warrant, this in effect means they own your arse.

You need to get your attorney out ASAP, he knows the law, is not scared of them and will put the police on a back foot.

They will then start asking you questions about things around why they are there. They will get to the reason later. When they do you need to go to a filing cabinet and pull out proof the records exist and you are legal. Proof the model was over age at the time of the shoot, proof that it was a professional shoot, proof the model was paid and left happily.

You chose to earn a living in porn so allow me to let you into a little secret, we are the target.

Giving copies the documents to someone else as a back up in case of fire, theft or something else is fine. giving them to this guy as a front line document keeping service is one of the most stupid ideas I ever heard.

I even giving it to a lawyer is dumb. Because if the police come while your lawyer ' in the Bahamas, on the money you pay him for this service, you could be keeping some strange company down in the local jail until he returns. Sorry Richard but that's the facts.

OK so some of you are arguing points of law. Unless you have $10,000 to spare SHUT THE FUCK UP. Because points of law are argued in court and this is what it will cost to get you there for the first day.

I'm talking worse case scenario and reality, not 2257. This law allows me to cover my arse and keep it away from some big nasty fucker who might think it's cute.

Pornguy & latinasojourn have it right, this law allows them to come in and fuck with you while they look for something real to nail you to the wall with.

It very likely will get turned down on appeal after some guy has spent $100K on appeal. Do you really want to put yourself at that risk when the alternative is a filing cabinet drawer and a back up at home?

Nice old thread.....Fucking morons......

some lawyers just arent the type of people that will think up loopholes, they will tell it out of the book. get a specialist in that area, who knows the biz.

My lawyer is AJ Comperetto he does tons of adult law and he says imagine the doj is a bear do you want to be a rabbit or porcupine? This isnt real estate or contract law ,we are in the porn business you want to fuck around with loopholes .You better have a shit load of money to go fight in court.