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08-04-2004, 03:43 AM

a photographer/content provider of us got our new 2257 law email and this is what he said : i dont have copies of passports etc, i just need to check their ID and see if theyre 18+

mind you hes dutch and our company isnt american/european, we DO host in the states though

what he wants to do is : send us a written confirmation all models he delivered pics of are 18+

i already told him not having IDs on file is REALLY tricky, and im not too happy he told this after yrs, so : what can we do ? is this written confirmation ok for the new 2257 rules ?

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08-04-2004, 03:48 AM

his written confirmations/affidavits are completely useless as far as 2257 goes.

but i don't know why you're so concerned about 2257 for, you're not American so you're not subject to American laws. if you're giving that content out to American affiliates then that's a problem for the affiliates but that's their business to worry about.

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08-04-2004, 03:49 AM

Originally posted by Mutt
his written confirmations/affidavits are completely useless as far as 2257 goes.

but i don't know why you're so concerned about 2257 for, you're not American so you're not subject to American laws. if you're giving that content out to American affiliates then that's a problem for the affiliates but that's their business to worry about.

its hosted in the US and yes we do give out content for our affiliates obviously... thanks for the 2 cents

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08-04-2004, 03:49 AM

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... what he wants to do is : send us a written confirmation all models he delivered pics of are 18+ ...

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08-04-2004, 03:50 AM

This is Paul Markham posting on Eva's computer.

I WOULD DROP HIM IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL HIS CONTENT FROM MY SITE AND IF ONE GIRL LOOKED CLOSE TO BEING AROUND 18, DESTROY HER PICTURES/VIDEOS.

Because you met a guy on the Internet and he sounded reasonable does not make him honest.

I would also name him.

There is no reason to not give documents with content, you can remove contact details, except they do not exist.
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08-04-2004, 03:52 AM

evie this guy provided over 8000 euros of content last 2 yrs, its not an option to delete it... i know you guys take care of IDs way better but id like to sort out if he can get away with a confirmation like that

any dutch ppl here ?

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08-04-2004, 03:55 AM

allow me to elaborate - im sorry but i found that absurdly funny.

any (good) content provider knows his/her responsibility is to get passport copies and a second ID, and a signed model release form. 2257 is there for a reason although it may be a pain in some of your asses - it is to protect children.

when you cry out about how you want to lynch someone who pushes cp, remember thats why 2257 was implemented.

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08-04-2004, 04:00 AM

youre right but as far as i know there is no dutch law that says he needs to have IDs... trying to figure that out now

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08-04-2004, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Mutt
his written confirmations/affidavits are completely useless as far as 2257 goes.

That's what I think too ... what's the big deal about getting copies of the IDs while you're shooting her. Takes 5 minutes to do the model release and shoot the IDs.

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08-04-2004, 04:13 AM

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That's what I think too ... what's the big deal about getting copies of the IDs while you're shooting her. Takes 5 minutes to do the model release and shoot the IDs.

youre 200% right, but hes not forced to do that, like many other EU countries weve got a privacy law stating thats not something someone can ask

the whole tricky thing now is we host in the US...

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08-04-2004, 04:37 AM

How can he prove he even owns the pictures ? the model release ain't worth shit if he doesn't have the photo id with the matching signature !

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08-04-2004, 04:43 AM

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How can he prove he even owns the pictures ? the model release ain't worth shit if he doesn't have the photo id with the matching signature !

i checked some lawyerphone here and they said yes hes only obliged to check, so VIEW passports etc

but youre right modelreleases are shit then... they also said theres a law in preparation EU wide to change this

plus when this law is active he needs to come up with IDs anyhow, if not i gotta take the pics offline and sue him for the money... this is gonna be fun

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08-04-2004, 04:58 AM

Originally posted by thinkx
evie this guy provided over 8000 euros of content last 2 yrs, its not an option to delete it... i know you guys take care of IDs way better but id like to sort out if he can get away with a confirmation like that

any dutch ppl here ?

So you bought 8000 Euros of content without IDs, lifes a bitch when you screw up ain't it.

Deal with content providers who know what they are doing is my advice.

You could be posting illegal content and have a strangers word that it's not.

But I guess you thought it was a good deal at the time.

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08-04-2004, 05:02 AM

Originally posted by thinkx
youre 200% right, but hes not forced to do that, like many other EU countries weve got a privacy law stating thats not something someone can ask

the whole tricky thing now is we host in the US...

Bull Shit.

Photorama will not take a picture into their library without 2257 documents. Same with most of the British magazines as well. And the Dutch shooters provide them.

Tricky thing is not the hosting, it's what's the law in your country about publishing under age girls?

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08-04-2004, 05:10 AM

paul, youre right, but ofcourse i didnt buy that much (its over 12k euro i calced it) without licenses, he mailed me one ID long ago told me everything was taken care of, now it turns out he didnt

i already emailed him if this turns ugly i get to sue him for 40k euros meaning bankruptcy since he has no Ltd etc its a privately owned business..

yeah i know stupid stupid... ive learned since then but with this new 2257 law some ugly things turned up unfortunately

i know photorama takes good care, you do too...

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08-04-2004, 05:12 AM

btw the 16yo age law isnt there anymore, they changed that EU wide, same as the UK its forbidden to shoot under 18 now in Holland as well, nudity im speaking off

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08-04-2004, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by evie
This is Paul Markham posting on Eva's computer.

I WOULD DROP HIM IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL HIS CONTENT FROM MY SITE AND IF ONE GIRL LOOKED CLOSE TO BEING AROUND 18, DESTROY HER PICTURES/VIDEOS.

Because you met a guy on the Internet and he sounded reasonable does not make him honest.

I would also name him.

There is no reason to not give documents with content, you can remove contact details, except they do not exist.

Paul, that is what I would do too. I'm Canadian, host in the U.S. Now from what I can tell about these new 2257 laws is that I am fine without the 2257 documentation because hosting companies are not responsible....but...I'm going to follow the 2257 laws the same as the U.S. people are. I have the model releases, license and copies of their photo-ID for all the content I have ever purchased except for the copies of the I.D.s for about 20 sets I just recently bought...but they are from someone very well known and reputable so I know I won't have a problem getting that kind of stuff. If I do...then I don't use the content...simple as that.

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08-04-2004, 05:25 AM

k checked again as it looks now theyre gonna change the law EU wide and do something like they did with the 2257, so all pics taken before a certain date dont have to comply

what ill do is keep modelreleases with dob irl name and sigs online for the past pics taken, ive adviced the photographer to get copies of IDs

to my astonishment it turns out that major mags like Passie and Aktueel here in Holland dont require IDs as well, just the "inzagerecht" meaning the photographer has to VIEW the ID

this is gonna be a nice mess when this EU law passes...

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08-04-2004, 05:28 AM

Dude it dosnt matter where he is from...dutch or otherwise, if he dosnt have copies of ID's then you got a problem. The American aspect is only a small part of it, what are the laws where you are concerning the displaying of underage girls doing porn. It dosnt even matter if they are of legal age or not you can still be asked by your local law to provide ID and if you dont have it your in the shit.

The world as a whole has a very dim view on CP and anything that even looks close could put you under the spotlight, even if your 100% correct and they are all over 18 is it really worth the hassle.

The fact that you have spent so much money and not worried about proof of age i personally think is stupid and you deserve everything you get but you ask for advise on what to do and not a moral judgement so i will save my opinions on your actions for another time.

The US 2257 laws dont directly apply to me either where i am located but we abide by em...wanna know why....IT COVERS OUR ASSES.

So my advise to you, be thankfull for the money you have made, remove the content that dosnt have 2257 compliance and put it down to a costly mistake. Then go out and buy some new content that fits the requirements and sleep peacefully.

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08-04-2004, 05:31 AM

what should i say - paul is probably right with what he says. i would not buy content from a provider who doesn't deliver all the papers right along with the pics. here they are, my

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08-04-2004, 05:32 AM

Uhh.. I believe it states RIGHT IN the new law that it's not retroactive? Silly me though, I went and read the thing instead of running around like a chicken with my head cut off...

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08-04-2004, 05:32 AM

Hit my sig. YOu will see all photo IDs on the site..
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08-04-2004, 05:35 AM

Something to remember about US law enforcement is it is often "shoort first, ask questions later". If the US goverment tackles you on this, they can take your servers and anything else in the US, then force you to prove that your content is legal to get them back. I would not keep any content that is not 2257 compliant on a US server, hosting loop hole or not.

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08-04-2004, 05:36 AM

Originally posted by mrmovie
Hit my sig. YOu will see all photo IDs on the site..

thanks obviously the last photoset was bought at this guy last month...

its a tricky situation i know thats the problem with the internet, its bigger then the US or the EU esp when the law regarding cp or 2257 stuff differs

this will always be a pain, im pretty sure, i mean what bout offshore servers etc, trouble trouble...

i know for a fact that from now on every model we use has to have IDs and a release

PS dont worry all our new sites are models WITH IDs etc

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08-04-2004, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Mikey_219Inc
allow me to elaborate - im sorry but i found that absurdly funny.

any (good) content provider knows his/her responsibility is to get passport copies and a second ID, and a signed model release form. 2257 is there for a reason although it may be a pain in some of your asses - it is to protect children.

when you cry out about how you want to lynch someone who pushes cp, remember thats why 2257 was implemented.

Some of the new regs (secondary webmaster) are gonna bring out some ugly messes.

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08-04-2004, 07:18 AM

If you go went to our shop and check our main URL for checking usc 2257 compliance

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you would have gotten those ids with the coresponding mpegs or pics.

As you can see, matching adresses on passsport and custodian of records on the main URL

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08-04-2004, 08:01 AM

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Uhh.. I believe it states RIGHT IN the new law that it's not retroactive?

See how long that lasts...once its all swinging on the new stuff you watch em go after the old.

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08-04-2004, 08:33 AM

Get another server ... not that hard...

Remove all content for affiliates where you don't have 2257 ...

and buy a lot of new content for hosted galleries and other things like that

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