Patrick
Tell us more when you know more ok ?
I don't know this guy so....

I just want to add that Andrej is an applied webmaster and an honest person. It's quite obvious by now that he had some server issues, not a good enough reason to get him blacklisted.

i hope andrej doesn't get fucked cause of this.

andrej is a straight shooter, i'm inclined to believe him that this is a royal fuckup on someone elses part.. :2 cents:

I don't know andrej but I am inclined to side with him. I can't imagine that anyone who buys spots regularly (especially $$$ #1 thehun spots) would deliberately jeopardise his rep by temporarily sending to an exit broker who will give him a few hundred dollars MAX for that traffic.

If he's a repeat buyer then he's obviously a smart guy who knows how to consistently profit from these spots. Why would he shoot himself in the foot?

Consider this scenario.


1. The domain that he hosts his galleries on has htaccess set up to redirect 404's to the page you saw. Pretty standard stuff.

2. The hosting company has a HD failure and restores from an older backup where the gallery he submitted did NOT yet exist on the server.

3. The gallery URL is now 404, so it redirects.


Doesn't seem too implausible to me. If this is what happened then Andrej is certainly not at fault. Please give the guy a break.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation to me.

Lots of explanations, guy is still BANNED at the Hun

Looks like lots of webmasters know this guy so I'd say give him a break Mr Hun :)

well - buying gallery spot at freeloaders(bookmarkers) site - dont make good profit.

as i know - this guy from Bratislava - good guy who follow rules. sure - he dont have too much expirience as i see and can make mistakes with host etc.

btw, thehun, i have similar problem with one host some years ago - even much bigger problems - these fuckers just redirect ALL traffic from my sites to their own 404 with nice dialers and consoles, and their sites.

this company not exist anymore.

i dont care - does hun unban this guy or not - but thinking what he know all what can be possible - wrong.

so - if our lovely mrhun post what it cannot be - he just telling bullshit and his asslickers, as i feel, be follow and post same shit too.

tell us, mrhun, you have networking related MDA or you just think what you right because you hear this from someone?

Sure, that's 100% true. But that is not what happened here... When I clicked the link that was posted on the GFY I got the gallery as it was linked to when we reviewed the link. So I thought it could have been an error. I clicked back to the GFY and wanted to see the SAME PAGE again (to see if there were any hahahahahahahahahaha things or there), THIS time I didn't get the page, I was redirected to b-a-b-e-s.com/join.html. That's not a 404 scenario! That file was there the first time! And the second time it wasn't. Later I tried the same thing again, with the same results... So, the explanation of a normal 404 scenario didn't apply

Have you checked out that page? the one on b-a-b-e-s.com I mean, Hell, there's a loop of consoles that take over your machine. Don't forget that a shitload of people don't know ALT-F4 closes a window, but these windows maximize 'emselves so the regular way to close 'em is not an options. Those things piss me off to begin with. Anyone redirecting traffic there, even his 404 traffic (which wasn't the case 'cause the page I saw initially had a regular 404) doens't show too much respect for the surfer, which doesn't fit in with the policy we carry at The Hun's

It sounds more to me that there was something going on. Users were redirected to a page (since the free listings Andrej had at the hun's all came from [email protected] I know it's the same owner). My guess is that Andrej does run BS on surfers at some sites. The ONLY screwup I could think off is that the redirecting stuff was accidentally installed on the server used to submit to The Hun's... But if that's the case, why not say that right away? It's not a 404 issue, that's for sure...

I'm willing to take Andrej off the blacklist, but right now I don't see how this was an honest mistake that couldn't happen again some day in the future. In this case I found out after an hour. If 240K click the top link in a day then that's 10K in that our. If half of those got redirected I'm stuck with 5000 angry surfers than blame this on me for not checking the links correctly...

Dispite your arrogant tone and your 'brillian' first line of your post... I based this decision on what I saw with my own eyes.

And so far no harm is done 'cause it still seems we're in discussion over this thing...

the domain allnextdoor.com had a 404 sponsor page like all the other webmasters use, there is nothing bad about it. The pop-up hell you are talking about is just a simple entry pop-up from FPC traffic, these guys are fair in my book, and they also need to make money to pay out money to webmasters. When the host moved the domain to the new server, they moved also the .htacces file with the 404 error settings. The first I did when I woke up I was contacting the host again and again. I got this reply from one of the guys yesterday evening after tons of messages that allnextdoor works fine for a while and then go directly to 404 again:

"i move it to the old ip because datacenter not add ip 207.150.170.31-39 in them router and they can\'t to ping . When they add ip i will change it in DNS. "

Im not a server guy, so dont know exactly what problems this can cause, but you probably know it.



Your guess? You tell something like this, only because you guess it. Dont think I let you destroy my reputation. So all the people who know me, who I worked for cannot say anything bad about me, because I never broke 1 rule, and you guess? How would you feel, when I talk BS about you and have no facts to prove it?

And I had to deal with my members, BTW most of them cancelled their subscription within the 2-3 hours down time during the night.

I was polite each time I wrote to you. Do you remember one of my last #1 spots? You made me a totally inaccurate description and I got 30% of my usuall traffic on the #1 spot, and also untargetted, $500 investment was lost. BUT, wasnt I polite with you then? I was. Show me one guy who wouldnt be mad about this.

I'm not ruining anybody's reputation... I'm GUESSING... which is why I very carefully choose the word 'guess'... So, Andrej, no, I'm not telling everybody you're cheating, I'm just making up a perfectly rational explanation.

I have a degree in computer science. I do grasp the concept of a 404. What I saw on this page was NOT a 404. A 404 comes up every time a file is not found. It doesn't come up the second time you try to load a gallery.

I'm not accusing you of anything, like I said, I'm trying to come up with an explanation. It could also be you're with a crooked host. The only thing I know for sure is there was something redirecting people to www.b-a-b-e-s.com/join.html, a site packed with consoles. That page was NOT a 404...

I stay polite Andrej, I don't call you names and as I mentioned in my last post, we're still talking and figuring out what is going on. But no one will be able to convince me this was a 404 issue... it wasn't. We're still in a discussion about this thing. Talk to some people on this board, 12 clicks for instance, he got totally frustrated with the fact he couldn't get me angry. I stay polite, that always leaves all options over for the future. Sometimes it's tough, but it got me where I am today. So... now that we know we're both still polite, what was going on with that gallery? 'cause it wasn't a 404 problem (see the descriptions on what people saw in the first few posts of this thread)

500 screwups

man, to be honest, I have no clue about how to run a server, how to fix problems, etc...I told only about what I saw, I waked up, clicked the link and saw my 404 page, the page on b-a-b-e-s.com is my 404 page for 2-3 years already. The problem started when all my domains on the host(10+) were down in the night for 2-3 hours, I lost almost all my members on the paysites, they cancelled. If you check AWI, you will see, that the people told me, that my server is very slow, I told them this is because your listing and my host is already working on a new server. I told my host to transfer the domain allnextdoor.com to the new server, so the paysites are faster and also the gallery. I discussed the gallery with Andre from dieselaction and told him before I went to bed, that the gallery is doing great so far. Then when I awaked, I got an email from the host, that the gallery is already on the new server, I tried to load that domain and got my 404 page everytime. Whatever URL I tried, none worked, I wanted to change the .htaccess file and delete the 404 and 403 error page which leads directly to the b-a-b-e-s.com domain. I spent a lot time, till I found out the login info for the new server and uploaded a new htaccess without any error pages, a friend told me to write there something like rewrite engine off. It didnt worked, so I contacted my host again and again, that a 404 page comes up everytime, they told me each time, the domain load fine for them , they dont see any problems. And in the evening I wrote them again and another guy from support was there and I got this email from him:

"i move it to the old ip because datacenter not add ip 207.150.170.31-39 in them router and they can't to ping . When they add ip i will change it in DNS."

I dont know it this affected it, honestly, but its the only explanation I got. Im sorry for your surfers but I also lost members, members who are paying for memberships and I had to explain it to them and accept that they have the right to cancel. A new host is already setuping a server for me, so Im moving all my staff away and hope I never have similar problems with the new host, now I need to start from the beginning again.

Well, that DNS change could explain why there was sometimes a gallery (from the old server with correct files) and sometimes you got a 404 page from the "new" server with bad transfered files.
The host fucked up this thing really badly. :ak47:

It's not my place to get involved in this issue. I have no opinion, I'm not taking any one side and I was reading this thread only for amusement sake.

However, if it were a DNS propogation issue that would only cause some people to see one page and other people to see another. It would not explain why the same person would click once and get one page then click again and get a completely different page.

This is shit. Andrej is a good guy and he will never risk his reputation for few bucks from redirection surfers...

This is simple idea and everyone should understand it, without writing that soap operas above...

No one would buy #1 spot on thehun to redirects surfers and get bann. Think about it...

i think that hosting took backup copy of Andrej's websites from previous day and duplicated it on the new server.
And in that copy wasn't included new gallery posted on thehun.net.
so, if somebody was redirected it was becouse of missing that gallery on the new server, but it was ok on the old one.
I'm curious in hosting explanation.
I know that Andrej is a straight guy, and if he bought paid spot he will not redirect traffic like idiot and got caught by hun's spider after few minutes.. there is no logic

100 Biatch !! :321GFY

Not true, it might depend on how the servers update and the dns server configuration for Patrick when he accessed the page.
I would let it pass with a warning considering prior biz, but that's just me.... :2 cents:

most isp`s have dns cache what updates each some period.

when last time i doing domain tranfer and switch off my local DNS cache - i about a day got different sites from each link click.


person who call himself "The Hun" - "GUESSING".

so - he can be wrong.

especialy because he dont have technical education. he "GUESSING" and his asslickers scream - "wow - it should be truth if he said this"

nothing personal - only my opinion.

and i dont like homepages with yellow background.

no one here knows exactly what happened. Therefore all these guys only can guess what may have caused these weird click behaviour. I'd love to say it's just DNS issues. However then the click patteren would be different. If you'd have read the thread you'd have seen that always the first click of each person went to the gallery and the second to the 404. That's really strange. There are a few things that can cause this. But if you're a TGP owner your alarm bells are on. And nothing's bad 'bout that. Most interesting would be to read the host's explanation... an in detail explanation and not only a one sentence that some IP hasn't been added to a router.

And why the rude words? You're guessing as well... you're even wrong in one point cause Hun stated he has a 'technical education'. And it's getting personal and is no more only an expression of your opinion if you use this sort of language. LOL, OK 'asslicker' is an opinion about someone but you're offending people as well. In my opinion you only can lose respect of others. And that means in the worst case business and money too.

Andrej, this is not the problem that 'caused the domain to be blacklisted... this is a 404. Many people on this board (including me) were redirecting to www.b-a-b-e-s.com/join.html, a page you are the owner off. Your 404 didn't redirect those people there. The gallery was up and running, upon the second load it redirected. It wasn't a 404 problem. There was more going on...

yes - you right. i been too angry when i wrote this.

the b-a-b-e-s.com/join page is my 404 page, its not a redirect, that page is in my .htaccess as 404 error page

you know its all about trust, eighter you trust me, that this happened without knowing about it or you just dont trust me. I can give you the contact of the host and you can ask them or just leave it like it is...

I got the same shitter time after time at Raven TGP. So he buys a lot of domains, and he changes everything after submit. Sometimes it's a day, sometimes 2-3. Because of that fuckhead i do a gallery scan every day...

same here :thumbsup

That said...i also saw this result after a server was infected by a download.ject or dialer types of trojan. At least it happenned one time with one submitter.

I am still redirected.

Maybe the host is playing you...and redirect only certain IPs or country. Or your domain or server is infected with some shit.

Welcome to the world of browser hijackers... you sure it's not you who have the problem??? :1orglaugh

you cannot be redirected anymore, Im on new servers now, new hosting company. I changed my DNS yesterday after they moved all the content there and I can already reach the domain from the new server. Maybe your cache.

working now :) .