New 2257 REGS & using banners??? - GoFuckYourself.com

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:03 PM

I was told by my lawyer today that if the new regs go through, and you run a thumb TGP, you would be responsible for the records of every single thumb you show on your own site.

So how does this hold up for banners?

Theoretically, for every sponsor banner you use, if there is hardcore sex in the banner and you host it on your server and show it on YOUR page... you need to maintain the records for the models in the banner.

doesnt matter if the banner is hotlinked off your sponsors server or on yours, same thing.

If these changes go into effect, shit is gonna be FACKED UP!

p1mpdogg · 08-03-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
I was told by my lawyer today that if the new regs go through, and you run a thumb TGP, you would be responsible for the records of every single thumb you show on your own site.

So how does this hold up for banners?

Theoretically, for every sponsor banner you use, if there is hardcore sex in the banner and you host it on your server and show it on YOUR page... you need to maintain the records for the models in the banner.

doesnt matter if the banner is hotlinked off your sponsors server or on yours, same thing.

If these changes go into effect, shit is gonna be FACKED UP!

i cant wait till the new regs pass! all the tgps weill have to use hoted gals

no more shit head little webmasters

AaronM · 08-03-2004, 11:08 PM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg
i cant wait till the new regs pass! all the tgps weill have to use hoted gals no more shit head little webmasters

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by p1mpdogg
i cant wait till the new regs pass! all the tgps weill have to use hoted gals no more shit head little webmasters

you are totally right, the only small dudes that could last are the ones who either build or adopt some kind of 2257 records and url database software and use only 100% definite content providers who provide EVERYTHING they need.

even then, the days of the small tgp posting webaster are going to be over.

it would seem only hosted galleries and a few smarter independent guys could last.

but still....

how the fuck would a sponsor program handle banners? theyd have to have some kind of supplemental documentation for EVERY fucking banner they supply their webmasters saying which models are in that banner and then of course link to the docs for their webmasters to download.

what a fuckin messssssss.

myneid · 08-03-2004, 11:11 PM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
you are totally right, the only small dudes that could last are the ones who either build or adopt some kind of 2257 records and url database software and use only 100% definite content providers who provide EVERYTHING they need.

even then, the days of the small tgp posting webaster are going to be over.

it would seem only hosted galleries and a few smarter independent guys could last.

but still....

how the fuck would a sponsor program handle banners? theyd have to have some kind of supplemental documentation for EVERY fucking banner they supply their webmasters saying which models are in that banner and then of course link to the docs for their webmasters to download.

what a fuckin messssssss.

yea its a pain. we are going to log all of our banners, but it only matters if it is hosted off of your server. if a webmaster picks up your banner it is his responsibility to track that photo set.

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by myneid
yea its a pain. we are going to log all of our banners, but it only matters if it is hosted off of your server. if a webmaster picks up your banner it is his responsibility to track that photo set.

still, as a program, you NEED to take that responsibility seriously... and its just out of control.

Think about it (you small webmasters know what im saying)... over the years as a small webmaster ive built thousands of pages... banners everywhere.

according to my lawyer, after the inception date... everything that i have online would be considered currently distributed and needs to be documented.

thats impossible.

so okay...

lets say i were to wipe everything and start from scratch.

can you imagine having to take the time and fucking document every damn banner, image, etc you use from sponsors to link to their tours.

its insanely nuts.

every gallery, every page, every ad, etc.

ive talked to a few guys who work at some fairly medium to larger size affiliate programs and it sounds like lots of people are in the process of hiring their own in house record keeping department.

thats INSANE!

a whole department to manage the shit?

that pretty much sums up how fucked smaller webmasters are... unless you wanna teach some indians how to manage your porn.

sixxxth_sense · 08-03-2004, 11:21 PM

you could really see why the big players who have sponsor galleries would wanna get rid of the TGP posters!

p1mpdogg · 08-03-2004, 11:23 PM

Epic Cash will be the first sponsor to host everything for the affiliate.. so we will take all the burden off the affiliate and they must our content. Epic Cash's year is here.. we plan to simply dominate the industry this year. just wait and see

BRISK · 08-03-2004, 11:23 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the new 2257 regs only apply to "explicit sex acts"? In other words, if you have softcore banners and thumbs with just the girls face in it, that would be exempt?

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the new 2257 regs only apply to "explicit sex acts"? In other words, if you have softcore banners and thumbs with just the girls face in it, that would be exempt?

you are correct, although it is very unwise not to still keep records for the models used regardless of soft or hard... but i would think only hard would be on the radar.

AaronM · 08-03-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the new 2257 regs only apply to "explicit sex acts"? In other words, if you have softcore banners and thumbs with just the girls face in it, that would be exempt?

Correct.

Trey....Answer your phone.

BRISK · 08-03-2004, 11:29 PM

Something to think about:

1. Not every TGP is a thumb preview TGP

2. The biggest TGPs are not owned by Americans

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:36 PM

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Originally posted by sixxxth_sense
you could really see why the big players who have sponsor galleries would wanna get rid of the TGP posters!

Here is the problem with this statement.

A lot of TGP's will tell you that "bookmarking" is the absolute key to productive traffic. That includes TGPs that actually send valuable traffic like the hun, etc.

If you take away small webmasters who BUY tons of content from TONS of content providers and are not just building galleries to promote a sponsor's site and only using the content from that site (since most reality sites, etc only have about 15-50 actual unique sets on their site)...

the what the fuck are you left with?

you are left with EVERY tgp most likely using the top 10-20 most popular ad programs and their "hosted" galleries.....

the same shit, Over and over and over.

Go to the hun.... or thumbnailpost, or worldsex.. browse through the lists.

sure a lot are hosted, but a SHITLOAD are random content bought from various places, not used from unique sets, etc. not just your standard hosted gallery.

i think that is key to "repetitive" visits to a tgp.

no doubt their are some sponsors that provide enough content to keep the hosted galleries fresh, but in general, its mostly repetitive.

most tgp's have 30-50 open spots per day for listings.

are there really enough galleries and enough variety to keep it fresh? you could probably argue yes.

but will that compare to the 30-50 spots used by webmasters posting sets from matrix, ounique, focus adult, markham, david lace, cool piranha, cool content, adult stock, and many many more?

maybe yes.

maybe no.

but you can also count on all of those content companies losing a FUCKING HUGE amount of their business if the normal "gallery" poster disappears.

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Something to think about:

1. Not every TGP is a thumb preview TGP

looks like that could be true for all soon.

Doctor Dre · 08-03-2004, 11:39 PM

This is just gonna be insane ... so much content on the web will be removed ... wich is actually a good thing because there is WAY too much free porn out there

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:42 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
This is just gonna be insane ... so much content on the web will be removed ... wich is actually a good thing because there is WAY too much free porn out there

thats great for guys who send traffic to paysites through methods other than free sites.

but if thats the case, the other huge chunk of us are fuckin bummed

also, i dont think affiliate programs realize how hard they will be hit as well once so many smaller webmasters may be forced out... no more tgp posters, no more free site guys... just major TGP's?

even then...

there are fuckin 8 billion sponsor programs now.

there are so many webmaters that there is still money to be made for so many programs....

but get rid of so many webmasters.... and only the strong survive.

granted, this entire freakin 2257 shit could be completely modified to avoid these major probs, but its looking like big changes are inevitable.

sixxxth_sense · 08-03-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
Here is the problem with this statement.

A lot of TGP's will tell you that "bookmarking" is the absolute key to productive traffic. That includes TGPs that actually send valuable traffic like the hun, etc.

If you take away small webmasters who BUY tons of content from TONS of content providers and are not just building galleries to promote a sponsor's site and only using the content from that site (since most reality sites, etc only have about 15-50 actual unique sets on their site)...

the what the fuck are you left with?

you are left with EVERY tgp most likely using the top 10-20 most popular ad programs and their "hosted" galleries.....

the same shit, Over and over and over.

Go to the hun.... or thumbnailpost, or worldsex.. browse through the lists.

sure a lot are hosted, but a SHITLOAD are random content bought from various places, not used from unique sets, etc. not just your standard hosted gallery.

i think that is key to "repetitive" visits to a tgp.

no doubt their are some sponsors that provide enough content to keep the hosted galleries fresh, but in general, its mostly repetitive.

most tgp's have 30-50 open spots per day for listings.

are there really enough galleries and enough variety to keep it fresh? you could probably argue yes.

but will that compare to the 30-50 spots used by webmasters posting sets from matrix, ounique, focus adult, markham, david lace, cool piranha, cool content, adult stock, and many many more?

maybe yes.

maybe no.

but you can also count on all of those content companies losing a FUCKING HUGE amount of their business if the normal "gallery" poster disappears.

I agree with u 100% so whats wrong with my statement again? my statement said that the Sponsor gain from this, not the smaller guys. And how they would wanna see this law passes and as you see they got it through.

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by sixxxth_sense
I agree with u 100% so whats wrong with my statement again?.

bad wording :P didnt mean it that way, just meant "here is why you are right and why that fuckin sux....."

bdld · 08-03-2004, 11:46 PM

if prosecutions begin to occur, it'd be very insteresting to see who's left standing.

sixxxth_sense · 08-03-2004, 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
bad wording, nada wrong with your statement.. should have led my comment off with "good point.. and... "

I read ur post 5 times and was like wtfck am i this tired? I could quite put everything together haha

creegan · 08-03-2004, 11:50 PM

barely anybody follows the current laws to the t.

how many do you think will do it come september?

BRISK · 08-03-2004, 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by bdld
if prosecutions begin to occur, it'd be very insteresting to see who's left standing.

Non-US citizens?

BRISK · 08-03-2004, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by creegan
barely anybody follows the current laws to the t.

how many do you think will do it come september?

Yeah, I'm not expecting to see a lot of people complying with this law either.

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by creegan
barely anybody follows the current laws to the t.

how many do you think will do it come september?

probably 2% more than now, but regardless, if it happens we all have no choice.. and shit will CHANGE big time.

banners, galleries, tgp's... every fuckin thing.

it's weird, the final say so is less than a month away and everybody is playing this off like copa or soemthing that will just get knocked down.

but the only thing between nada going down and shit hitting the fan is a "period of public comment".

i talk to more and more webmasters every day that dont even have any fuckin idea there were new 2257 regs

Nardimus · 08-03-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Yeah, I'm not expecting to see a lot of people complying with this law either.

dude, if it passes AS IS. what choice will we have?

say gooooooood bye to most smaller webmasters unless they are ready for their current "work a bit make way more than at a normal 9-5" to all of a sudden "shit i gotta work just as much documenting every last fuckin page this blows".

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
dude, if it passes AS IS. what choice will we have?

say gooooooood bye to most smaller webmasters unless they are ready for their current "work a bit make way more than at a normal 9-5" to all of a sudden "shit i gotta work just as much documenting every last fuckin page this blows".

with literally billions of pages of porn on the internet it would take an inconceivable force to keep everything legit. case and point, look at 98% of the sites on the net and see if they are compliant in any way shape or form with any current legislation

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
with literally billions of pages of porn on the internet it would take an inconceivable force to keep everything legit. case and point, look at 98% of the sites on the net and see if they are compliant in any way shape or form with any current legislation

thats true, because their was no legislation when everything was put up.

but that does not change the fact that every banner, every tgp that uses thumbs, etc WILL have to change when the shit goes through does it?

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
thats true, because their was no legislation when everything was put up.

but that does not change the fact that every banner, every tgp that uses thumbs, etc WILL have to change when the shit goes through does it?

every banner put up on new pages that is.

BRISK · 08-04-2004, 12:05 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
dude, if it passes AS IS. what choice will we have?

say gooooooood bye to most smaller webmasters unless they are ready for their current "work a bit make way more than at a normal 9-5" to all of a sudden "shit i gotta work just as much documenting every last fuckin page this blows".

I know what you're saying, but I still don't think 95% of people will comply with this regulation. It will be interesting to see who the feds go after.

Lycanthrope · 08-04-2004, 12:07 AM

I think the biggest change will be the fact that they are going to start enforcing it. They'll bust a few of the bigger ones to get the point across, or worse, bust tons of little guys to make it look like it is having an impact.

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I know what you're saying, but I still don't think 95% of people will comply with this regulation. It will be interesting to see who the feds go after.

man, i dont know about you, but if it passes, im fucking complying.

nothing is worth 5 years minimum in the slammer.

if the shit passed and you ran a thumb tgp like madthumbs.com or something, you are telling me you'd keep operating as is eventhough you have NO records for every thumb you are showing in your daily gallery links?

well, than you and anyone else that wont comply that runs any kind of site with any kind of notoriety... are pretty much this guy:

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:14 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
thats true, because their was no legislation when everything was put up.

but that does not change the fact that every banner, every tgp that uses thumbs, etc WILL have to change when the shit goes through does it?

you don't think there are currently laws about the display of pornographic images on the internet?

sec 1470 still isn't met to the standards of many interpreters

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
man, i dont know about you, but if it passes, im fucking complying.

nothing is worth 5 years minimum in the slammer.

if the shit passed and you ran a thumb tgp like madthumbs.com or something, you are telling me you'd keep operating as is eventhough you have NO records for every thumb you are showing in your daily gallery links?

well, than you and anyone else that wont comply that runs any kind of site with any kind of notoriety... are pretty much this guy:

nah, just use thumbs without explicit content

of course this would mean that we have to get pretty girls back into porn

BRISK · 08-04-2004, 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
man, i dont know about you, but if it passes, im fucking complying.

nothing is worth 5 years minimum in the slammer.

if the shit passed and you ran a thumb tgp like madthumbs.com or something, you are telling me you'd keep operating as is eventhough you have NO records for every thumb you are showing in your daily gallery links?

well, than you and anyone else that wont comply that runs any kind of site with any kind of notoriety... are pretty much this guy:

I wasn't speaking about myself not complying. I was speaking about people in general.

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:19 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
you don't think there are currently laws about the display of pornographic images on the internet?

sec 1470 still isn't met to the standards of many interpreters

not sure how this relates to the new 2257... but from what i can read in the new regs.. EVERY image you have on YOUR site or pages in your site that shows hardcore, must be documented with all appropriate material (id, release, url used, etc).

regardless of determining who is looking at it.

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
nah, just use thumbs without explicit content

of course this would mean that we have to get pretty girls back into porn

you just summed up the best solution so far... if shit hits the fan thats where im headed myself.... soft only. the tour i link to on my affiliates server can deal with the hard stuff.

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
not sure how this relates to the new 2257... but from what i can read in the new regs.. EVERY image you have on YOUR site or pages in your site that shows hardcore, must be documented with all appropriate material (id, release, url used, etc).

regardless of determining who is looking at it.

oh it's completely separate
i was just saying, laws exist already, and have been "enforced" since 98

freeadultcontent · 08-04-2004, 12:22 AM

oh boy...

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
you just summed up the best solution so far... if shit hits the fan thats where im headed myself.... soft only. the tour i link to on my affiliates server can deal with the hard stuff.

i think it'd be good for the industry. soft sells and retains like hell.

imagine what an internet without breasts would do for your conversions!

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
I wasn't speaking about myself not complying. I was speaking about people in general.

i hear that.. i agree with you 100% you are right.. i dont see most people complying either... mostly because their seems to be an industry wide "say it aint so" attitude... where most think nothing will happen.

maybe they are right.

but like i said before.

HEEEEYYYYLLLL NO :

BRISK · 08-04-2004, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
i think it'd be good for the industry. soft sells and retains like hell.

imagine what an internet without breasts would do for your conversions!

The non-US citizens would just flood the net with hardcore anyways

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
The non-US citizens would just flood the net with hardcore anyways

true, unscrupulous bastards

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:28 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
oh it's completely separate
i was just saying, laws exist already, and have been "enforced" since 98

you have a point, but fack... we have a born again president

watch this:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/

(if you havent seen this, seriously watch it all.. this isnt michael moore shit, this is all fact)

he's trying to get re-elected... and has asshahahahaha and the religious folk in their corner... trying to make them happy.

its just not a good time as far as i can see to wait it out and fuck around.

these fools scare me... this new 2257 shit is obviously aimed to fuck the online industry up.

freaky, seriously, watch those vids.

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
i think it'd be good for the industry. soft sells and retains like hell.

imagine what an internet without breasts would do for your conversions!

you're right dude.

remember back in 97 when the the shit was about to hit the fan?

all my tours had litle black circles over all the hardcore parts... and you know what?

I MADE A FUCKIN TON of sales.

if industry wide nobody can realy show hardcore... then guess what? people start paying for shit again.

a completely softcore free porn scene with censored and TEASER approach would be HUGE.

who knows, maybe for those who can make it through this new shit (if it passes) are actually headed for better profit.

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
The non-US citizens would just flood the net with hardcore anyways

yep, just like the russkies flood us with underrage email spam.

BRISK · 08-04-2004, 12:33 AM

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Originally posted by Nardimus
if industry wide nobody can realy show hardcore... then guess what? people start paying for shit again.

Hardcore will always exist

Nardimus · 08-04-2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Hardcore will always exist

yep, you are right.

censored tours and the such will mostly likely be put online only by smart and safe webmasters and webmaster programs who aim to take the extra step to be safe.

CASE IN POINT:
http://www.mrchewsasianbeaver.com/

that seems to be the new trend. to me it is smart, and even in the trailers, just show enough to entice.

its all done to be safe, but to me it makes more sense sales wise as well.

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Hardcore will always exist

it's a cycle. hard, then soft, hard, then soft...

just look at the decades

50s - soft, breasts, legs etc
60s - sexual revolution
70s - boom in clothed modeling
80s - the taboo series
90s - playboy was huge, soft mens mags popped up
00s - bangbus, captain stabbin, teletubbies

BRISK · 08-04-2004, 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by creegan
it's a cycle. hard, then soft, hard, then soft...

just look at the decades

50s - soft, breasts, legs etc
60s - sexual revolution
70s - boom in clothed modeling
80s - the taboo series
90s - playboy was huge, soft mens mags popped up
00s - bangbus, captain stabbin, teletubbies

How did teletubbies make that list?

creegan · 08-04-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
How did teletubbies make that list?

it's highly suggestive

08-03-2004, 11:03 PM	#1
Nardimus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 418	New 2257 REGS & using banners??? I was told by my lawyer today that if the new regs go through, and you run a thumb TGP, you would be responsible for the records of every single thumb you show on your own site. So how does this hold up for banners? Theoretically, for every sponsor banner you use, if there is hardcore sex in the banner and you host it on your server and show it on YOUR page... you need to maintain the records for the models in the banner. doesnt matter if the banner is hotlinked off your sponsors server or on yours, same thing. If these changes go into effect, shit is gonna be FACKED UP!

08-03-2004, 11:23 PM	#8
p1mpdogg Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 16,714	Epic Cash will be the first sponsor to host everything for the affiliate.. so we will take all the burden off the affiliate and they must our content. Epic Cash's year is here.. we plan to simply dominate the industry this year. just wait and see __________________ A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the new 2257 regs only apply to "explicit sex acts"? In other words, if you have softcore banners and thumbs with just the girls face in it, that would be exempt? __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Something to think about: 1. Not every TGP is a thumb preview TGP 2. The biggest TGPs are not owned by Americans __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

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sixxxth_sense So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: T.O. Posts: 2,430	you could really see why the big players who have sponsor galleries would wanna get rid of the TGP posters!

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bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	if prosecutions begin to occur, it'd be very insteresting to see who's left standing.

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