Techie Media

OK this thread better not become a pissing match. I am intending it to be for everyones opinions, and all opinions are good, (just some better than others)

I for one know the importance of everyone working together. This entire biz is based on traffic. Everyone needs to have traffic to make money. With no traffic there is No chance of making any money.

It all starts with the gallery maker. This is where the surfers (which are our potential money makers)go to see some porn. The gallery maker is the supplier of the goods that surfers are looking for.

Then there are the owners of the paysites, which ultimately, are the ones that get the money out of the surfers wallets, and funnel it into the rest of the market. These sponsors Like our own friends Lensman, and 12clicks etc... Have the ability to get the surfer to pay for some enjoyment, then they take a percentage of this money, and return it to the hard working webmasters in the form of Good Solid Programs.

These programs (to many types to list) give all of us the ability to get a share of the money which has been brought into our industry, by them.

Then theres people such as Free Hosts, and Paid Hosts, that give us all the ability to put onto the net, our own creative little worlds. We all create what we think is a good quality offering of Adult Content, to the surfers. We do this in the hopes of making a fair wage (or better) for our hard work.

Then there are sites that try to generate the traffic that we all need to do all of this..ie. tgp's. link sites, SE's etc...

Well I could go on for hours, but I'll leave my thoughts kinda hanging, and ready for some more comments from all of you.

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deluxe

you forget the most important thing...

the people that make the pictures/movies!



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TheWatcher

Also the people who design the graphics for the sites and design the html.

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It all starts with the gallery maker. This is where the surfers (which are our potential money makers)go to see some porn. The gallery maker is the supplier of the goods that surfers are looking for.

Then there?s people such as Free Hosts, and Paid Hosts, that give us all the ability to put onto the net, our own creative little worlds.

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Creativity in this case is the ability to provide just enough honey without letting the surfer get his hands on the pot.

It's a skill that many are sadly lacking. "Bulls in china shops" is how I view some TGP gallery makers.

Let the games commence LOL ...

Techie Media

Susan, Watcher, Deluxe, all great points
Yeas it even goes back further, like to the model that allow themselves to be photographed, and used for web content..
Also net billing companies that collect and distribute the money..It's a endless chain to make it all happen...

Keep the ideas and comments coming..

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what it all comes back to is: SEX

who do you think created the models, by having sex?

My thanks go out to all the moms and dads in the world!

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Scarab

He's right about the traffic. Most of us in this business are not in the porn business, we are internet traffic flow brokers.

We heard the newbies around like cattle, taking them where we want them to go.

We are dependant on our imagination and talents (and all of us are obviously quite creative and talented or we would never make any $$) to set the right stage for the surfer.

WE ARE the adult industry. We provide a service that everyone (admit it or not) wants.

Lightning is right. There are hundreds of facets to this business. All of which are necessary to keep the "traffic" flowing.

Think about this, just how popular would the Internet have become without us? Without adult content, the Internet is nothing but a bunch of overpriced retail shops and information. Sure, it is useful - but would the Internet really have grown to what it is today without the outlet we provide for millions of horny people that just need something to beat off to?

Sorry if that seems vulgar, and sorry this post is so long. But my point is WE are the Internet.

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Steve

I'm not looking to knock your thread Lightning, but I want to mention this. There is more to the Adult web than TGPs (no knock, I own a few TGPs). I know the allure of a big cash payoff in return for 2 hours work drives the TGP end of the biz, but more gallery builders encounter famine than feast. It seems like more and more webmasters are ignoring other important aspects of the biz, like search engines and AVS sites, even CJ'ing. I know TGP work delivers the fast return, the quick hit of traffic, but there is still a lot of money out there to be made by other methods. If you do build galleries, please make use of them in AVS sites. Create a link list page, turn it into a main website and submit it into the engines. Put a link to your top level domain on all your gallery pages, let the se spiders find a huge matrix of links back to your avs smorgasborg.

Techie Media

Steve, your not knocking my thread. I intended it to be a thread to see everyones opinion. Also, in my original post i said tgp's, link lists, se's etc....the etc means there are lots more traffic generating avenues, Just like the few you mentioned.

Scarab, I think every point you made is perfect. and I agree totally.. and most of all I like what you said "We ARE THE INTERNET"

Atleast a very big part of it...

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TFCash

I guess the big question that is on everyone's mind is, where has all the money gone to pay all these people that comprise the foundation of our business ?? And it is a very good question, with more that one answer!!!

Greed can be attributed to the decline that we see in all of our paychecks. Greed from those that want it all, no matter what the cost. If we continue to bombard our customers with things like auto loading dialers, pop ups from hell, and cj's we are doing nothing but shooting ourselves in the foot! There is no reason to shit where we eat so to speak.

Saturation. I could literally sit on the net 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and surf to my hearts content, and never run out of naked people to look at. Except for some really niche stuff, it can pretty much be found in mass, and hi-rez to boot. I will give you an example, here is a site that I found on one of the tgp's, I won't say which one, because they all have links like this one.
http://www.hostingfreeway.com/hardco...grp/hun041.htm

now with pages and pages of stuff like this out there, why would I want to pay for it ??? Again we have lost the art of the tease, and till we get it back, our bank statements are going to do nothing but get smaller!


Saturation among webmasters. There are a lot more of us out here trying to get that surfer, granted there are more surfers, but the number of people that have jumped into our biz have increase 20 fold in the last 2 years. Not that this is a bad thing, because it will hopefully make us all better and more creative webmasters to draw attention to ourselves. But let's no fall into the Greed area where we will do whatever it takes to make the buck, because we all lose out then!

Well I know that there are many more reasons than what I mention here, but I will get off my soap box for a while, so someone else can take over

p.s. I did read an article earlier this week that gave some very enlighten suggestions to all of us about what will have to happen before the money comes back into our biz the way it once was. It was along the lines of the traffic people need to require toned down galleries, content providers need to limit what content they allow in open forum's, and free hosts need to tighten up what they allow in terms of galleries with little or no hardcore, limiting the picture size, and the amount of pic's shown per page. Wether or not anyone actually has the balls to follow thru on these suggestions is anyone's guess. Take care all.


Tim


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Moose

Lightning
You also forgot a pretty important thing.
It does not all start with "the gallery builder" alone
This biz has way more things to do then build gallerys.
I see a huge shift from a year ago though, everything is "gallery this...." "gallery that..." "tgp..." long gone are conversations about search engines,link lists,avs sites. they do happen once in a while, but not given any real time.
Most new people entering the biz nowadays have a one track mind, get an account on lightning free (or sexcropolis.com hehe had to plug) and submit gallerys till your fingers bleed.
Well i guess this is good, besides my freehost, i have avs sites, one little site gets around 1000 hits a day and makes 75-100$ a day.Now this is impossible by doing the method 90% of the new guys do today wich is fine with me, leaves less competition where the real money is

Anyway, just pointing out there is more to life than gallery building.

Have a good day


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Rip

Speaking from my own personal point of view, I would have to say, it's mainly marketing and hard work

You are marketing a product, who's consumers are becoming more sophisticated month by month, as well as the fact that there is more competition for their $ month by month

I believe now, you have to approach the business, with a point of view of catering to a repeat or return customer, the fast growth curve has slowed a little, things are harder to sell

So you have to supply them with a fresh ever changing mix of content and sites, which offer them good value for the money



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Techie Media

Hey Moose, your so right.. I personally, am tired of the gallery game. I started in the biz 6 yrs ago, when gallery making and running a tgp was the way to go...
Now there are endless other means of making the same or better money. I have built and sold 2 fairly lagge tgp's and still run 1 just for old time sakes, and yes even still build a few galleries, But I also have many small link sites, avs sites..etc...
The hosting is my main business now, but Theres so much out there still to get involved in, I will never limit myself..
nor should anyone..diversify your efforts to maximize your profits.

Rip we must have been posting at the same time. You also are right on track...I Couldn't have said it better mself
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UnseenWorld

It starts with the content maker, the photographer and model, because, obviously, if you sit down to make a gallery and have no content to put in it, hey, that's going to be some interesting gallery, isn't it?

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Susan

Nice post HCH

I was going to say something along the same lines but you have done a much better job.

Keep it sensible everyone, the more I read the more I learn.

Rip

I agree with the fact that there is too much content out there for sure,

but unfortunatley until a new webmaster sees the light and learns that making the pocketbook fatter is the most important thing, then saying there is too much content, it very true, but making all those "other people" change their minds is going to be pretty futile

maybe partnership programs could start by pixellating out the pink parts of their free webmaster content? I also doubt that you will ever see that, because they are all about getting the maximum number of webmasters partnered up with their proggy

If a free host told you, the surfer, that you needed to censor or pixellate the "pink parts", or said only a maximum of ten thumbs per page... that would be considered pretty radical stuff

For those of you who think more hardcore is the answer; take a look at the tour for the best amateur program in the world, do you see any hardcore pictures there?

I rest my case


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Gemini

It may come down to laws being passed that rquire the free content to be starred or pixilated anyhow. The govt WILL get in this sooner or later and that would be the only way they'd ever agree to freesites, tgps etc having content.

That would cascade to the whole World real quick. With the net like it is, and the international laws like they are, the US could prosecute anyone from around the world for passing contraband in to this country.

We do alot of things online, just not gals alone. Lots of mainstream work too. But we are ever curious as to what laws will be passed in the next, say, 5 yrs that will affect us in the adult industry. Better go Gore in 4 or we'll all be pushed (out) by Bush!

TFCash

I would be interested to know how many people are actually making any money with TGP and LL posting alone. And I'm talking about $3K on up a month, enough to live on if you had to ?? I've got some guys that do it with movie posts, but most of my guys that do pics are also doing AVS and free sites promoted thru SE's, or run a paysite to cover their bases. ICQ me @ 3453053 if you don't want to say here on the board. Thanks.


Tim

TFCash

Gemini -

Don't think for a second that the US gov gives a fuck about porn on the internet. Neither Bush nor Gore do. Now what they do concern themselves with is how much money they make off the sites that are making the bucks, and if they think that they can increase their tax revenue by passing more laws that require that people pay for the porn, they will do it in a heartbeat. Mark my words, GWB and his cronies will use "cleaning up the internet" as a re-election push, but it will all be for the simple fact that tax revenues are down from the porn industry, and they want to get it back up


Tim

Rip

I think that the amount of free hosts around tells you that people (especially the hosts) make money from tgp's


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Gemini

Oh I agree HCH, the major problem I have with it is an *ss like Asscroft oops, Ashcroft will use it to make some sort of emblem of his achievement. When in reality he is nothing but a bigoted idiot that shouldn't be allowed to hold office. That goes a long way in explaining why Bush should have never been allowed to reach the office he did. He undoubtedly uses a flashlight to find the hole in his Mickey Mouse jammies when he has to take a midnight potty run.

I've been reading wayyyy too much on the World situation and he has just about every other country either already POed or almost ready to announce that they are. lol

While he builds his missile system and announces all of his grand plans that are about impossible to manage to do. Center on one job until its done.

We *do* need to come up with some sort of plan but I for one can't even think of where to start since we will be dealing with other countries and they seem just as full of idiots as the states. How can we get them in line or under control to manage the industry as long as they think they will get rich in a week, we can't. And encouraging even more newbies to start will make it a never ending task that is doomed before its started. So buckle up folks, we're in for a heckuva ride.