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  • mb
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 1550
    #1

    Hoes.com Sponsor Stats For July

    Hi,

    Well, we're dropping two big names this month because they continue to perform poorly. We were going to remove a 3rd, but hopefully their new RealityCash program will pull them up from the bottom of the heap ;-)

    And thanks for all the great feedback we've been getting about this page. I hope it helps you as much as it helps me every month!

    ---------------------------------------------
    Hoes.com Sponsor Stats July 2004:
    http://www.hoes.com/sponsors/
    ---------------------------------------------


    Here is what this is all about for those of you who haven't seen our thread before:

    Because we advertise so many sites across so many niches using so many sponsors, the many webmasters who submit to us daily tend to ask who we recommend for reliability and conversion success.

    Instead of just posting links to a few of our favorites, we decided to compile our stats from month to month and post them for all to see. Basically, we offer a ranking of the top 20 or so sponsors that converted for us during the month.

    We plan to update this every month and hope that it helps a few of you to make an educated decision about which sponsors to advertise.


    marc
    hoes.com
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    • fris
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Aug 2002
      • 55700
      #2
      love the site mb, keep up the good work, i will toss up a couple listings my meatcash did pretty good.
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        • KCat
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2002
          • 2204
          #3
          Thanks, Marc! I love seeing honest feedback.

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            • jawanda
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2003
              • 6040
              #4
              Good interesting shit man.




              Thanks for the numbers.

              -p

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                • Shooter
                  Confirmed User
                  • Apr 2001
                  • 2842
                  #5
                  Always an interesting read, thanks for the info.

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                    • touretts
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 242
                      #6
                      are those all first page ratios?


                      ICQ# 195639

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                        • DarkJedi
                          No Refunds Issued.
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 28301
                          #7
                          I see Lightspeed cash is doing very poorly.

                          hmm..

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                            • pornstar2pac
                              Omaha Hi/Lo
                              • Nov 2003
                              • 17380
                              #8
                              so who's stats are better..greenguy, hoes, or oracle's site..forgot the name
                              Trump haters gonna hate. that's all they can do

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                                • Doctor Dre
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Jan 2001
                                  • 51692
                                  #9
                                  Click Me Media ... no signups ... EWW

                                  Will we see stats for Lens new program next month ?
                                  Originally posted by rayadp05
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                                    • mb
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2001
                                      • 1550
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by touretts
                                      are those all first page ratios?

                                      I did research that before posting this time and I think only ExtremePaychecks counted ONLY 2nd page... I pull my info from Statsremote which always looks at the first page unique column when pulling in stats, so more often than not, even if they show both first and second page unique stats on the sponsor's stats page, Statsremote will grab the 1st page info.

                                      Please let me know if I've got that wrong for any sponsors you see listed and I will make a note for others to see the distinction.

                                      marc

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                                        • Manowar
                                          jellyfish  
                                          • Dec 2003
                                          • 71528
                                          #11
                                          Some nice information there

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                                            • Preacher
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Feb 2003
                                              • 2970
                                              #12
                                              thank you, that is interesting

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                                                • Basic_man
                                                  Programming King Pin
                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                  • 27360
                                                  #13
                                                  Why aren't you testing APC ?
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                                                    • cayne
                                                      My time is coming...
                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 7476
                                                      #14
                                                      The stats are nearly every the same. AFF seems to make real cash...
                                                      If lesbian anal is wrong, I don't want to be right.

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                                                        • gornyhuy
                                                          Chafed.
                                                          • May 2002
                                                          • 18041
                                                          #15
                                                          Looks great as always -
                                                          I was thinking that it would be very informative to graph this out so you could get a sense of how each sponsor does over time ... especially as you get a few more months of reporting in...

                                                          Nothing fancy, just a line graph with a different color line for each sponsor over time versus $/click and another one vs. ratio. Visual info is always more easily digestible and gives the bigger picture better.

                                                          After I build more reliable traffic to http://www.pornsneak.com I'll start publishing too.

                                                          Thanks for the data!

                                                          icq:159548293

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                                                            • [illnet]-Jamie
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 667
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by mb
                                                              Hi,

                                                              Well, we're dropping two big names this month because they continue to perform poorly. We were going to remove a 3rd, but hopefully their new RealityCash program will pull them up from the bottom of the heap ;-)

                                                              And thanks for all the great feedback we've been getting about this page. I hope it helps you as much as it helps me every month!

                                                              ---------------------------------------------
                                                              Hoes.com Sponsor Stats July 2004:
                                                              http://www.hoes.com/sponsors/
                                                              ---------------------------------------------


                                                              Here is what this is all about for those of you who haven't seen our thread before:

                                                              Because we advertise so many sites across so many niches using so many sponsors, the many webmasters who submit to us daily tend to ask who we recommend for reliability and conversion success.

                                                              Instead of just posting links to a few of our favorites, we decided to compile our stats from month to month and post them for all to see. Basically, we offer a ranking of the top 20 or so sponsors that converted for us during the month.

                                                              We plan to update this every month and hope that it helps a few of you to make an educated decision about which sponsors to advertise.


                                                              marc
                                                              hoes.com
                                                              Great list and good info ...

                                                              Marc id like to know what I need to do to get illcash.com a try with your traffic ?

                                                              Id be interested to see how we fair being a newer sponsor..against some of the older ones...

                                                              Thanks

                                                              ICQ #240557577

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                                                                • mb
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 1550
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by gornyhuy
                                                                  Looks great as always -
                                                                  I was thinking that it would be very informative to graph this out so you could get a sense of how each sponsor does over time ... especially as you get a few more months of reporting in...

                                                                  Nothing fancy, just a line graph with a different color line for each sponsor over time versus $/click and another one vs. ratio. Visual info is always more easily digestible and gives the bigger picture better.

                                                                  After I build more reliable traffic to http://www.pornsneak.com I'll start publishing too.

                                                                  Thanks for the data!


                                                                  That is an awesome idea! Maybe I'll give it 6 solid months and develop that with the data I've collected to that point. I'll just graph those sponsors that have made it to the list over that period and drop those that are in and out.

                                                                  thanks man!

                                                                  marc

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                                                                    • xlogger
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                      • 9507
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Nasty Doller si #9. Hope Reality Cash can beat it

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                                                                        • mb
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 1550
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                          Click Me Media ... no signups ... EWW

                                                                          Will we see stats for Lens new program next month ?

                                                                          Yes, I was actually getting ready to pull the plug on adult.com for poor conversions, but now that the new stuff is ready, I can start adding it in and remove the old stuff so we can see how it converts... I'll try to get those links in before I leave for Miami next week.

                                                                          marc

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                                                                            • XPorn
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 912
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Looks good.

                                                                              I'll publish FreeSiteXXX.com stats tomorrow or so and we can compare...

                                                                              XPorn
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                                                                                • slapass
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                  • 14625
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by mb
                                                                                  I did research that before posting this time and I think only ExtremePaychecks counted ONLY 2nd page... I pull my info from Statsremote which always looks at the first page unique column when pulling in stats, so more often than not, even if they show both first and second page unique stats on the sponsor's stats page, Statsremote will grab the 1st page info.

                                                                                  Please let me know if I've got that wrong for any sponsors you see listed and I will make a note for others to see the distinction.

                                                                                  marc
                                                                                  Does topbucks count second page hits? I thought they always did.

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                                                                                    • gornyhuy
                                                                                      Chafed.
                                                                                      • May 2002
                                                                                      • 18041
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by mb
                                                                                      That is an awesome idea! Maybe I'll give it 6 solid months and develop that with the data I've collected to that point. I'll just graph those sponsors that have made it to the list over that period and drop those that are in and out.

                                                                                      thanks man!

                                                                                      marc
                                                                                      No problem!

                                                                                      Now will you PLEASE trade category hardlinks with my linklist?
                                                                                      http://www.pornsneak.com

                                                                                      hit me up on icq or email if you are willing... gornyhuy at pornsneak.com or 159548293

                                                                                      Thanks!

                                                                                      icq:159548293

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                                                                                        • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                          • 7940
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Well, I'm disappointed that you didn't do well with Lightspeedcash. I wish I could win them all!

                                                                                          Think its time for sponsors to publish a list of affiliates who send the worst performing traffic, most cancels, most refunds, most chargebacks, and burn the most bandwidth?

                                                                                          Some traffic and sites just don't do well together, its not really a bad reflection on either individually, but the mix. Your stats are not even close to an accurate reflection of our average webmaster.

                                                                                          Looks like you do better with hardcore, and/or non-teen sites?

                                                                                          Steve Lightspeed
                                                                                          Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                            • LadyMischief
                                                                                              Orgasms N Such!
                                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                                              • 18135
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                              Well, I'm disappointed that you didn't do well with Lightspeedcash. I wish I could win them all!

                                                                                              Think its time for sponsors to publish a list of affiliates who send the worst performing traffic, most cancels, most refunds, most chargebacks, and burn the most bandwidth?

                                                                                              Some traffic and sites just don't do well together, its not really a bad reflection on either individually, but the mix. Your stats are not even close to an accurate reflection of our average webmaster.

                                                                                              Looks like you do better with hardcore, and/or non-teen sites?

                                                                                              Steve Lightspeed
                                                                                              Absolutely.. it's all about the traffic sources. There have been sponsors other people have said were smoking for them, sucked for us on our traffic. And there's some sponsors, like Lightspeed, who some people can't sell and others sell off the hook. We do awesome with Lightspeed and always have. There are so many factors involved in the success or failure of a sponsor that it's not really fair or accurate to judge them based on only one set of circumstances. You would have to have input of many people iwth many traffic sources to give a fair representation of each sponsors performance.

                                                                                              ICQ 3522039
                                                                                              Content Manager - orgasm.com
                                                                                              [email protected]

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                                                                                                • Mr. Marks
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                  • 7517
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Looks great!

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                                                                                                    • mb
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                      • 1550
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                                      Well, I'm disappointed that you didn't do well with Lightspeedcash. I wish I could win them all!

                                                                                                      Think its time for sponsors to publish a list of affiliates who send the worst performing traffic, most cancels, most refunds, most chargebacks, and burn the most bandwidth?

                                                                                                      Some traffic and sites just don't do well together, its not really a bad reflection on either individually, but the mix. Your stats are not even close to an accurate reflection of our average webmaster.

                                                                                                      Looks like you do better with hardcore, and/or non-teen sites?

                                                                                                      Steve Lightspeed


                                                                                                      Excellent points, Steve.

                                                                                                      I think your individual girl sites are the best in the business and I'm sure if marketed the correct way will convert nicely. I think my traffic is too "general" to convert this type of site. My surfers are more interested in the all-encompassing megasites that they expect will give them the most bang for the buck. I would assume after they realize these sites aren't all they are cracked up to be, they will begin to check out the niche sites and of course amateur girl sites.

                                                                                                      I don't market with galleries, just links to paysites and a few banners here and there... so a title like "Jordan Capri Teen Model" won't get nearly the attention that "Teen Sex Kittens Fucked Hard" would get. A surfer that just typed in "teen porn" in google would check out the Jordan site briefly, realize the variety just isn't there and move on.

                                                                                                      I think I need to expand my "Marc's Notes" section a bit to give more accurate reasons as to why a sponsor may not convert well with my traffic and why they may eventually be dropped. It isn't always because the sponsor doesn't build good sites, it is often because the traffic just doesn't jive with the site type.

                                                                                                      The other site which I plan to remove from hoes.com is SicCash. This program is simply filled with megasites much like many other programs. They have no excuse for not converting well with our traffic, thus they obviously aren't doing something right.

                                                                                                      marc

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                                                                                                        • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                          • 7940
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          I don't think you ever availed yourself of our services either, to look at your sites and traffic to see if there was something we could see that would help your ratios....

                                                                                                          Like I said, I wish I could win them all.

                                                                                                          Does it bother you that there is a rumor floating about that some sponsors are watching for these kind of lists, and giving extra joins just to keep themselves from looking bad? Its called reverse-shaving, and if you think its not happening, you are wrong.

                                                                                                          I think anything done by a sponsor to give misinformation to an affiliate is dishonest, even if it gives the affiliate more money in his pocket. They make the test results look good, its cheaper than running a banner on gfy. But what happens when you commit a lot of traffic based on that misinformation?
                                                                                                          Last edited by SteveLightspeed; 08-02-2004, 07:22 PM.
                                                                                                          Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                            • Sylver7
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Nov 2003
                                                                                                              • 489
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Doctor Dre
                                                                                                              Click Me Media ... no signups ... EWW
                                                                                                              For a program that only caters to one niche they do a very poor job of converting it. I had very similar ratios with them with good traffic.

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                                                                                                                • mb
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                  • 1550
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Sylver7
                                                                                                                  For a program that only caters to one niche they do a very poor job of converting it. I had very similar ratios with them with good traffic.

                                                                                                                  Yep, I'm on the hunt for a new program that is focused on the ebony niche. I have ALOT of black traffic coming into hoes.com and no one seems to be able to convert as well as I'd like.

                                                                                                                  marc

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                                                                                                                    • keyboard warrior
                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                      • 1435
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      bottom 5


                                                                                                                      17 Sic Cash 16 1:1574 $0.02 1
                                                                                                                      18 Giga Cash 18 1:1593 $0.02 3
                                                                                                                      19 Adult.com 21 1:1866 $0.01 3
                                                                                                                      20 Click Me Media - 1:2004 $0.01 5
                                                                                                                      21 Light Speed Cash 17 1:4473 $0.01 5
                                                                                                                      - nothing here -

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                                                                                                                        • Vitasoy
                                                                                                                          GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                          • 58202
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Now this is how a sponsor chart should look like. Very user friendly.


                                                                                                                          [email protected]

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                                                                                                                            • BradM
                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                                                              • 3397
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              GOOOD info.
                                                                                                                              Thank you mb!

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                                                                                                                                • AVM
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 1890
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Lightspeed


                                                                                                                                  Does it bother you that there is a rumor floating about that some sponsors are watching for these kind of lists, and giving extra joins just to keep themselves from looking bad? Its called reverse-shaving, and if you think its not happening, you are wrong.
                                                                                                                                  Although unfair, as it takes the validity out of these stats. I still think it is very very smart move on the paysites behalf.

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                                                                                                                                    • WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                      Pounding Googlebot
                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 34512
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Lightspeed
                                                                                                                                      Does it bother you that there is a rumor floating about that some sponsors are watching for these kind of lists, and giving extra joins just to keep themselves from looking bad? Its called reverse-shaving, and if you think its not happening, you are wrong.

                                                                                                                                      I think anything done by a sponsor to give misinformation to an affiliate is dishonest, even if it gives the affiliate more money in his pocket. They make the test results look good, its cheaper than running a banner on gfy. But what happens when you commit a lot of traffic based on that misinformation?

                                                                                                                                      I think I'm going to open my stats to the public and give sponsors the chance to adjust their stats before closing out a month's stats

                                                                                                                                      WG
                                                                                                                                      Last edited by WiredGuy; 08-02-2004, 10:05 PM.
                                                                                                                                      I play with Google.

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                                                                                                                                        • Paul90
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                          • 378
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          WOW Marc! Great stats!...
                                                                                                                                          Although i did miss bigbling.com

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                                                                                                                                            • Evil Chris
                                                                                                                                              OG
                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 13249
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Thanks for posting the numbers, Mark.


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                                                                                                                                                • S.A.K.
                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                  • 619
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by mb
                                                                                                                                                  Yep, I'm on the hunt for a new program that is focused on the ebony niche. I have ALOT of black traffic coming into hoes.com and no one seems to be able to convert as well as I'd like.

                                                                                                                                                  marc
                                                                                                                                                  Marc,

                                                                                                                                                  I would like for you to give Hood Hunter a try. It is doing very solid with ebony traffic as I have tested it extensively. For that matter I would like for you to try all of the Adult Players Club sites. I know Jay gave me a try last month and I am interested to see how I stacked up in his rankings. Hit me up on icq 174199500 so we can possibley set womthing up. Thanks

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                                                                                                                                                    • rockbear
                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 806
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Marc I like to see some real stats like that. I promoted myself over 100 sponsors and few sponsors who are in your bottom are the same for me. Sometimes I think that the stats are not really exact because too mush person spam on the board. Anyway keep your good work sir

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                                                                                                                                                        • Peaches
                                                                                                                                                          Old broad
                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 13933
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                                                                          I think I'm going to open my stats to the public and give sponsors the chance to adjust their stats before closing out a month's stats

                                                                                                                                                          WG


                                                                                                                                                          No kidding! OK sponsors, I'm getting ready to put out a list of my best converters. Please throw some signups my way so you'll look good

                                                                                                                                                          Good stats, Marc.

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                                                                                                                                                            • xclusive
                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                              • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 35218
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Thank for the great info it helps a lot...

                                                                                                                                                              I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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                                                                                                                                                                • mb
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 1550
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by goreboy
                                                                                                                                                                  WOW Marc! Great stats!...
                                                                                                                                                                  Although i did miss bigbling.com

                                                                                                                                                                  Get me some more non-console links and hopefully I can send enough to get you on the list! Your teen movie site is doing well in my TEEN category. Keep up the nice work.

                                                                                                                                                                  ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                  marc

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                                                                                                                                                                    • swami
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 1989
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by mb
                                                                                                                                                                      Yep, I'm on the hunt for a new program that is focused on the ebony niche. I have ALOT of black traffic coming into hoes.com and no one seems to be able to convert as well as I'd like.

                                                                                                                                                                      marc
                                                                                                                                                                      I have to say that clickmemedia converts quite well for me from only a few links.I have the same traffic as hoes.
                                                                                                                                                                      Ebony is one of my best converters.

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