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tom · 05-10-2001, 02:56 AM

i really would like to know what you people think about this article - especially the ones who run tgps !
http://www.theadultwebmaster.com/art..._porn_01.phtml

CDSmith · 05-10-2001, 03:12 AM

I agree with a lot of it. I've always had about 90% of my content as softcore only, with a few teaser pics thrown in here and there, and it's worked for me for some time now. I still get quite a few submission daily to my tgp that contain hardcore, but on the plus side of that, those galleries rarely contain the kind of high-quality or hi-rez content that one would normally expect to find in most pay sites.

But ya, things are getting somewhat saturated out there, and I'm as stumped as the next guy as to how to fix the problem. If we all start removing our hc content to behind AVS or member areas, other less intelligent/more greedy people will simply fill the gap and provide free hardcore. I wonder what the fallout would be if all free hardcore porn was somehow outlawed completely? Hmmm, our greatest fear may be our only salvation?

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boneprone · 05-10-2001, 03:22 AM

Sure there are tons of people giving out free content, and it may be declining profits, but the real cause of this is the amout of webmasters that exist today compared to last year thsi time or the years before..

However, pay sites offer things free sites and tgps could never provide.. Movies, live shows, high resolution images, and the convience of not having to sift through all the junk out there on the net like popups..

Free sites in general cant afford $$ to host these items, and resort usually to lower quality images, and short movie clips.

So the free site with its free images isnt destroying the paysite world at all. In fact it is probably raising the bar, in pushing these guys to provide more live shows, more movies, and more quality images..

There may be tons of free stuff out there, but with it comes the demand for more as people get boared of just plain images.. The answer is the paysite..

And with all the competition now days and with the huge growth in adult webmasters, pay sites and free sites, this is the true cause of the decrease in revenue. There is a dilution and almost a saturation of paysites now days.

For these paysites to survive, they not only need quality content, but they need quality marketing, and that only comes from the quality FREE sites with the free images..

This dynamic is quite important, and the vaule of the free sites to the paysites is overlooked. Take away the free sites, all of a sudden all the paysites are on equal playing fields competing with one another.

Granted the large pay sites would find other means of marketing to the consumer, but the dynmaic of the free site feeding the paysite can never be matched by anyother means.

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Rose · 05-10-2001, 03:24 AM

I always said Big Clean TGP's hurt everyone.
And not just them, people bulding 100's clean hardcore galleries every day for them are in the same boat.

boneprone · 05-10-2001, 03:26 AM

thats a simplistic bullshit answer to whats really hapening.

Rose · 05-10-2001, 03:28 AM

I love thes paragraph
"When I first heard of picture posts I chuckled at the thought of it. I wondered why any webmaster would willingly buy content and then effectively post that content on another webmaster?s site. The scenario made little sense for anyone other than the owner of the picture post. It seemed readily obvious to me that trying to sell a membership to a picture post surfer was going to be about as easy as selling a bar of deodorant soap to the guy playing the banjo in the beginning of Deliverance. Picture post surfers simply have no need of your service."

Rose · 05-10-2001, 03:31 AM

Another one
"As if picture posts weren?t bad enough, along came thumb gallery posts (TGPs) to up the quantity of free porn by about five hundred percent. Gone were the days when only the Star Trek geeks could find free porn. Gone too were the days when an AVS site was an easy sell, or when top sponsors converted traffic at a steady rate of 1:200. Even the most inept of Internet surfers can figure out how to type www.picpost.com into their browser of choice. Free porn has become a force to be reckoned with. "

Rose · 05-10-2001, 03:34 AM

Yes boneprone
We all put more uncensored hardcore shit
out there and we all are gonna be very rich

tom · 05-10-2001, 03:41 AM

for me it means i go back to the roots where i started and stop posting hardcore galleries to tgps (softcore converts much better anyway) - i put censored hardcorepics on my free sites also - do you know tgps who accept censored hc pics ??

Rose · 05-10-2001, 03:44 AM

Tom I dont know any.Oposite is true
more explicit more they like it more

[This message has been edited by Rose (edited 05-10-2001).]

tom · 05-10-2001, 04:39 AM

i know they like it more - you get more visitors on galleries - need more bandwith - but are there more signups ?

05-10-2001, 02:56 AM	#1
tom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: from the mountains Posts: 102	interresting point of view i really would like to know what you people think about this article - especially the ones who run tgps ! http://www.theadultwebmaster.com/art..._porn_01.phtml

05-10-2001, 03:12 AM	#2
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	I agree with a lot of it. I've always had about 90% of my content as softcore only, with a few teaser pics thrown in here and there, and it's worked for me for some time now. I still get quite a few submission daily to my tgp that contain hardcore, but on the plus side of that, those galleries rarely contain the kind of high-quality or hi-rez content that one would normally expect to find in most pay sites. But ya, things are getting somewhat saturated out there, and I'm as stumped as the next guy as to how to fix the problem. If we all start removing our hc content to behind AVS or member areas, other less intelligent/more greedy people will simply fill the gap and provide free hardcore. I wonder what the fallout would be if all free hardcore porn was somehow outlawed completely? Hmmm, our greatest fear may be our only salvation? It's a tough world out there. Note to self: build AVS network asap ___________ CD <a href="http://www4.smutserver.com/babes/bgnetwork/submit.html" TARGET="_blank">Babe Galleries Network TGP submit your galleries here</a> <a href="http://www.oliver-klozov.com/cgi-bin/refer.cgi?ref=cdsmithok" TARGET="_blank">Webmasters: Make 60% of all signups, 40% of all rebills</a> @ the hottest converting site going; "Oliver Klozov!" High Quality free content included, monthly cash bonuses!! <font color="#FFE013"><a href="http://www.sunsetbeachbabes.com/" TARGET="_blank">Sunset Beach Party</a> NEW!!!</font> Add an anti-censorship support button to your site! <a href="http://members.home.net/cyberdogs/Anti-Censorship%20Site/" TARGET="_blank">Sites Against Censorship</a>

05-10-2001, 03:22 AM	#3
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	Sure there are tons of people giving out free content, and it may be declining profits, but the real cause of this is the amout of webmasters that exist today compared to last year thsi time or the years before.. However, pay sites offer things free sites and tgps could never provide.. Movies, live shows, high resolution images, and the convience of not having to sift through all the junk out there on the net like popups.. Free sites in general cant afford $$ to host these items, and resort usually to lower quality images, and short movie clips. So the free site with its free images isnt destroying the paysite world at all. In fact it is probably raising the bar, in pushing these guys to provide more live shows, more movies, and more quality images.. There may be tons of free stuff out there, but with it comes the demand for more as people get boared of just plain images.. The answer is the paysite.. And with all the competition now days and with the huge growth in adult webmasters, pay sites and free sites, this is the true cause of the decrease in revenue. There is a dilution and almost a saturation of paysites now days. For these paysites to survive, they not only need quality content, but they need quality marketing, and that only comes from the quality FREE sites with the free images.. This dynamic is quite important, and the vaule of the free sites to the paysites is overlooked. Take away the free sites, all of a sudden all the paysites are on equal playing fields competing with one another. Granted the large pay sites would find other means of marketing to the consumer, but the dynmaic of the free site feeding the paysite can never be matched by anyother means. ------------------ Webmaster/Owner www.boneprone.com icq: 66883099 [This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 05-10-2001).]

05-10-2001, 03:24 AM	#4
Rose Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ON,Canada Posts: 1,456	I always said Big Clean TGP's hurt everyone. And not just them, people bulding 100's clean hardcore galleries every day for them are in the same boat.

05-10-2001, 03:26 AM	#5
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	thats a simplistic bullshit answer to whats really hapening.

05-10-2001, 03:28 AM	#6
Rose Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ON,Canada Posts: 1,456	I love thes paragraph "When I first heard of picture posts I chuckled at the thought of it. I wondered why any webmaster would willingly buy content and then effectively post that content on another webmaster?s site. The scenario made little sense for anyone other than the owner of the picture post. It seemed readily obvious to me that trying to sell a membership to a picture post surfer was going to be about as easy as selling a bar of deodorant soap to the guy playing the banjo in the beginning of Deliverance. Picture post surfers simply have no need of your service."

05-10-2001, 03:31 AM	#7
Rose Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ON,Canada Posts: 1,456	Another one "As if picture posts weren?t bad enough, along came thumb gallery posts (TGPs) to up the quantity of free porn by about five hundred percent. Gone were the days when only the Star Trek geeks could find free porn. Gone too were the days when an AVS site was an easy sell, or when top sponsors converted traffic at a steady rate of 1:200. Even the most inept of Internet surfers can figure out how to type www.picpost.com into their browser of choice. Free porn has become a force to be reckoned with. "

05-10-2001, 03:34 AM	#8
Rose Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ON,Canada Posts: 1,456	Yes boneprone We all put more uncensored hardcore shit out there and we all are gonna be very rich

05-10-2001, 03:41 AM	#9
tom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: from the mountains Posts: 102	for me it means i go back to the roots where i started and stop posting hardcore galleries to tgps (softcore converts much better anyway) - i put censored hardcorepics on my free sites also - do you know tgps who accept censored hc pics ??

05-10-2001, 03:44 AM	#10
Rose Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: ON,Canada Posts: 1,456	Tom I dont know any.Oposite is true more explicit more they like it more [This message has been edited by Rose (edited 05-10-2001).]

05-10-2001, 04:39 AM	#11
tom Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: from the mountains Posts: 102	i know they like it more - you get more visitors on galleries - need more bandwith - but are there more signups ?